Suggested trope description, v5.An unequal relationship between a white man (who has the power, because he's white and male) and an Asian woman (who lacks power, for the same-but-inverted reasons). The inequality can surface in ways such as the woman being very meek and desperately loyal to her man, while he treat her as merely a fetish object or toy rather than a complete human being. The Asian girl may be socially disadvantaged (compared to either the white male or a non-asian romantic rival): economically destitute, uneducated or under-aged. She may be an immigrant who lack a social network or language skills in the new country and who may even risk getting throw out of the country i the man gets tired of her. The man and the woman may disagree on whether the relationship is romantic or purely sexual, and whether it is long term or short term. If so, expect the man to consider it short-term and sexual while she consider it long-term and romantic. The power imbalance may be portrayed as problematic or unproblematic, sometimes going back and forth between these two perspectives. In it's classic form, deeply rooted in western fantasies about the mysterious orient, the power imbalance is not only unproblematic, but also cool and romantic, where the White Male Lead is an awesome Mighty Whitey. The Asian Mysterious Waif is often contrasted with the Yellow Peril. Or combined with it, in a Dragon Lady. When the power imbalance is portrayed as problematic, the work often bring up issues of exploitation, Questionable Consent, outright Domestic Abuse, racism and misogyny. When a character portray a relationship in such a negative light, without the relationship being treated as such by the narrative, it's a Maligned Mixed Marriage that gets special attention in the same way as relationships between white women and black men.
edited 23rd Mar '12 5:52:26 AM by Xzenu
- At a club, Leo meets a prostitute named Cookie, and pays her to not have sex with any client that evening. Later on Leo reluctantly has a romantic fling with the girl, but he regrets it afterwards. (From Wikipedia.)
edited 23rd Mar '12 6:06:38 AM by KingZeal
- [This Trope]: When Leo met the thai sex-worker Cookie, it confuses him to find out that he's a regular person rather than an Asian Hooker Stereotype. He falls in love with her, having a brief romance where he keeps making all kinds of promises to her. He is completely honest, believing his own unrealistic fantasies about how he's not a John and how he's going to give her a better life and everything. Of course, he ends up realizing that he do have a wife and daughter at home. And thus, he ends up sneaking away in the night, leaving his Asian lover without even saying good-bye.
- Asian Hooker Stereotype: Averted in a way that make it a major plot point. When Leo meets the thai sex-worker Cookie, he must have expected a hooker stereotype: Finding out that she's just a regular person makes him startled and confused, incapable of knowing how to handle such a situation. He tries to do a Mighty Whitey Knight in Shining Armor routine... Fails miserably, and spend the rest of the story trying to convince himself that he's a heroic lover and that [paying a sex-worker "for not having sex" and then have sex with her after all] does not make him a John. This also fails miserably.
edited 23rd Mar '12 1:17:23 PM by KingZeal
edited 23rd Mar '12 2:03:09 PM by KingZeal
edited 23rd Mar '12 2:16:50 PM by KingZeal
Suggested "Playing With" page.This Trope: An unequal relationship between a white man (who has the power, because he's white and male) and an Asian woman (who lacks power, for the same-but-inverted reasons).
- Played straight: Bod Andersen starts a relationship with Alice Angchuan. There is power imbalance between them because of gender and/or race issues. This affects the premises for the relationship, the relationship itself, or both.
- Exaggerated: Simply being white and male makes Bob the center of the universe. Either in a benevolent way as the most super-duper totally awesome Mighty Whitey, or in a malicious way as a Complete Monster who just keep abusing the overwhelming power that just keep pouring from his affinity with a certain race and gender.
- Justified: Socioeconomic structures in the setting being as they are, white men are born to privilege.
- Inverted: It turns out that the power dynamic goes the other way: Being female and Asian is what makes a character powerful.
- Note that a mere gender flip (white woman, Asian man) while kepping the power dynamic changes the premise, making the example deconstructed rather than inverted.
- Subverted: The audience is led to believe that the power dynamic is there, but the truth turns out to be something like...
- It was simply prejudice: The relationship is unproblematic but maligned by others.
- The power dynamic is quite different from what one would expect. For example the Asian woman may chose to admire the white man as being a Mighty Whitey because she has a Race Fetish. Or she may play the role of subjugated as a submissive kind of kinky role-playing.
- Double Subverted: ... but that's merely what her Manipulative Bastard white husband tricked you to believe.
- Parodied: Usually subverted in a comedic way, such as a beautiful and rich Asian woman having a fetish for a poor ugly uneducated white male slob.
- Deconstructed: Examining the complexities of how a power dynamic can affect a relationship.
- Zig Zagged: The characters are honestly playing at power dynamics for fun because they want to, AND also have an underlying power dynamic that they didn't chose. The line can get quite blurry sometimes...
- Averted: There is no power dynamic based on race and gender. The man being white and the woman being Asian isn't any major issue in their relationship.
- Enforced: Two of the characters are a mixed couple... The Executive Meddling are afraid of getting accused of doing the Mighty Whitey routine just because of the race-and-gender constellation, so they require the writers to include some socioeconomic power dynamic stuff in the plot just to show the world that they are most definitely not blind to exploitation and such.
- Lampshaded: "Of course I have the power: I'm a Mighty Whitey for crying out loud!"
- Invoked: "Aha, your girlfriend is from an Asian country. Means you have all the power in the relationship and she can't do anything about it if you mistreat her... right?"
- Defied: Alice and Bob falls in love, with or without race having anything to do with it. Realizing that the gap in socioeconomic status can be a problem, they make sure to make the basis for their relationship s fair and equal as possible.
- Discussed: Two character debating on whether a certain relationship is this trope or not.
- Conversed: A character going on about how a mixed marriage in a Show Within a Show should (or shouldn't) have been portrayed this way.
- Played for Drama: If the white man is good, he have to save her either from various evil Asian men or from social injustice. If the white man is bad, she need to save herself from him... or get help, maybe from a better white man.
edited 23rd Mar '12 4:38:33 PM by lebrel
An unequal relationship between a white man and an Asian woman where the white male is the dominant, advantaged, or more powerful party. The Asian girl may be socially disadvantaged: economically destitute, uneducated or under-aged. She may be an immigrant who lacks a social network or language skills and is at risk of being deported. There may be a misunderstanding between the two on whether the relationship is short-term or long-term; in the end, whichever he decides will determine the direction of the story. Sometimes the asian girl is meek, or otherwise fits the "China Doll" stereotype. Other times, she is hypersexualized and/or played as an object for fetish (for example, Dragon Lady or Asian Hooker Stereotype). She is usually the Hopeless Suitor, in comparison to a non-Asian (usually white) rival. The asian girl is completely loyal to the white male, either to self-destructive levels or to an extent beyond what her rival has displayed. This is very popular in a Mighty Whitey or Fish out of Water story. As problems flare, the relationship could potentially be downright abusive for either party. If it's frowned upon by others, it may be a Maligned Mixed Marriage. As with Where Da White Women At?, this trope can be played for Race Fetish on either side, and need not be inherently negative.
That's the best compromise I can see without a list. And I still think a list would make it better.
edited 24th Mar '12 4:18:24 AM by KingZeal
Suggested trope description, v7.An unequal relationship where the powerful one is a white man and the one he has power over is an Asian woman. She may be socially disadvantaged: economically destitute, uneducated or under-aged. She may be an immigrant who lacks a social network or language skills and is at risk of being deported. There may be a misunderstanding or dishonesty between the two on whether the relationship is short-term or long-term. Sometimes the ┴sian girl is meek, or otherwise fits the "China Doll" stereotype. Other times, she is hypersexualized and/or played as an object for fetish (for example, Dragon Lady or Asian Hooker Stereotype). She is likely to be the Hopeless Suitor if a white rival is available, and is also likely to be completely loyal to the white male, either to self-destructive levels or to an extent beyond what her rival has displayed. Popular in the Fish out of Water kind of story. As problems flare, the relationship could potentially be downright abusive for either party. If the relationship is unfairly frowned upon by others, it's a Maligned Mixed Marriage. When the manly white dominance is cool and the power imbalance is romantic, the woman may become a Damsel in Distress who the White Male Lead has to save. Sometimes from social injustice in general, but more often from abusive and predatory Asian men. Those men may also be a threat to white women, a now discredited theme that was common in the 20:th century Victorian literature. When the white man is the abusive or exploitative one, she sometimes still get saved - by another white man. Compare and contrast with Where Da White Women At?. Both tropes can be played for Race Fetish on either side. They need not be inherently racist or otherwise negative, in spite of having a long history of racism and misogyny, laden with stereotypes of Asians being meek/submissive and black men being aggressive/predatory.
- I took out "at risk of being deported" on purpose because it's unnecessary.
- The third paragraph doesn't add anything. It uses Property of Love wrong, and some of the point raised (such as if she's saved by an abusive white man by another white man) are just redundant. We can cut out on things that aren't important.
- In the last paragraph, we don't need to mention that the trope is negative. Tropes Are Tools and it isn't up to us to talk about whether or not it's negative or used to be negative. Only that these are stereotypes.
edited 7th Apr '12 4:03:26 PM by Xzenu
Thumped for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
-Philip K. Dick
Alternative Titles: Me Love You Long Time
28th Dec '12 10:43:47 AM