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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#3376: Oct 13th 2014 at 1:25:14 PM

He's gonna die long before hitting 14.
I should have explained that Shinji wouldn't have gotten the MEODP until after he was already in Tokyo-3. Probably not until after the Sandalphon battle.

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#3377: Oct 13th 2014 at 8:59:14 PM

Yeah, you should have... Though that still leaves the problem of how he can be competent with using it, when Shiki himself had the Charles Atlas Superpower-level Knife Nut skills that the Nanaya family (his original family) drilled into him when he was very young before the tragedy that left him an orphan happened.

edited 13th Oct '14 8:59:55 PM by MarqFJA

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#3378: Oct 14th 2014 at 6:53:26 AM

He generally doesn't use it, possibly barring the One Obligatory Moment Of Badassery (TM).

He mostly just suffers Sanity Slippage from it until his brain melts.

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#3379: Oct 14th 2014 at 11:05:35 PM

I don't know... You might want to run this story idea of yours by the Nasuverse thread, if only to get detailed feedback on the consequences of having 24/7-active MEoDP without any limiters/blockers whatsoever, and see if your idea is actually plausible with respect to how MEoDP actually works.

On another note, what do you think of the dress code here?

edited 14th Oct '14 11:06:23 PM by MarqFJA

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#3380: Oct 15th 2014 at 6:44:36 AM

I was mostly going off of the first volume of the Tsukihime manga, where Shiki constantly saw lines of death on everything up until he met his sensei and she got him the Power Limiter glasses.

re:dress code:<shrug>

edited 15th Oct '14 6:48:15 AM by EvaUnit01

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#3381: Oct 15th 2014 at 7:06:06 AM

Not even a comment about whether it fits their personalities?

On another note... Who on earth is the Trope Maker for the quite commonly used fanfic device/joke of having Shinji and/or Misato being able to more or less perfectly understand Pen-Pen's Animal Talk?

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#3382: Oct 15th 2014 at 7:30:18 AM

Shinji wearing a suit and having a handgun makes sense. Really, handguns and knives are the only weapons I can really see being associated with.

Same goes for the others, although regarding Asuka, I dispute that the primary association with an automatic carbine as her Weapon Of Choice. I think she should be well-versed in all weapons, the primary distinction between her and Mari being that Mari is more about Stuff Blowing Up and No Kill like Overkill.

Also, you fail to provide any real situational context, other than that they are implicitly members of a military or paramilitary organization and are subordinate to Misato. Are they cops? Vigilantes? Mafia? Black ops? C'mon Marq, what's their deal?

On a similar point, you refer to them as a Ragtag Bunch of Misfits, but haven't really explained what makes them misfits. Sure, based on canon we can infer that Rei's a cold fish with No Social Skills, Asuka's probably a Glory Seeker with a Dark and Troubled Past, and Mari just wants a license to blow shit up, but why is Shinji Ikari slinging bullets with these maniacs?

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#3383: Oct 15th 2014 at 8:09:05 AM

I can also object to Asuka in a miniskirt. A small part of the reason being that I doubt that it's practical; the larger part of the reason being that it doesn't billow dramatically in the wind.

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#3384: Oct 15th 2014 at 8:31:29 AM

Also, you fail to provide any real situational context, other than that they are implicitly members of a military or paramilitary organization and are subordinate to Misato. Are they cops? Vigilantes? Mafia? Black ops? C'mon Marq, what's their deal?
That's a given, as this was more of a spur of the moment thing compared to everything else. I literally thought of this while listening to that 5-minute music track. FWIW, think Men in Black, only with a lot less aliens and much more terrorists, organized crime, and shadowy conspiracies, James Bond-style (kinda like Syphon Filter, actually).

And no, none of the four is a direct stand-in for James Bond as a character role; it's more accurate to say that they're the Cast Herd form of James Bond.

On a similar point, you refer to them as a Ragtag Bunch of Misfits, but haven't really explained what makes them misfits. Sure, based on canon we can infer that Rei's a cold fish with No Social Skills, Asuka's probably a Glory Seeker with a Dark and Troubled Past, and Mari just wants a license to blow shit up, but why is Shinji Ikari slinging bullets with these maniacs?
His sense of justice? He's following in his mother's footsteps? He's just following his childhood friend Rei because he's worried about her safety due to her lack of social skills (it took him ages to get her to warm up to him)? All/None of the aforementioned?

I probably should have clarified that I meant "misfits" in the comedic sense; mostly it's just Asuka who is driven comically nuts by being apparently the Only Sane Man in the team (Shinji seems relatively sane at first, but she quickly discovers that there is something seriously wrong with him after the first time she saw him going Berserk due to someone insulting his mother, only to return to being his usual Shrinking Violet self afterwards and apparently being completely oblivious to all the major ass-kicking that he did).

I can also object to Asuka in a miniskirt. A small part of the reason being that I doubt that it's practical; the larger part of the reason being that it doesn't billow dramatically in the wind.
This Asuka picked a miniskirt as a compromise between practicality (freedom of movement) and her strong sense of femininity and fashion (nevermind that just like her canon self, she has more than her share of un-feminine personality traits), as well as because she stubbornly refuses to wear the same style of clothes as Baka Shinji (pants), Ms. Perfect (again, pants), and the Four-Eyed Pervert (hot pants) that she has to work alongside.

edited 15th Oct '14 8:43:20 AM by MarqFJA

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#3385: Oct 15th 2014 at 9:39:24 AM

stubbornly refuses to wear the same style of clothes as Baka Shinji (pants), Ms. Perfect (again, pants), and the Four-Eyed Pervert (hot pants) that she has to work alongside.

Makes for a better explanation than the first part of that paragraph, honestly.

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#3386: Oct 15th 2014 at 10:47:22 AM

Hmm... Are long (or, at least, long-ish) skirts not practical at all?

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#3387: Oct 15th 2014 at 11:27:10 AM

Ankle-length skirts might be potentially problematic, but knee-length skirts strike me as being functional enough.

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#3388: Oct 16th 2014 at 2:45:33 AM

Asuka wants the maximum range of mobility, less chances of the skirt getting caught on something, and to look as sexy as possible at the same time

Makes for a better explanation than the first part of that paragraph, honestly.
Hey, I didn't say that the logic behind her first reason was sound. At least Mari is being reasonable by going for hotpants instead... Though even I am not if she would actually make a fuss about flashing people her underwear.

edited 16th Oct '14 2:46:22 AM by MarqFJA

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#3389: Oct 16th 2014 at 3:46:49 AM

After having watched Mayumi's scenario in 2nd Impression, I very much want to continue her storyline.

At the end of the scenario, she leaves Tokyo after her dad pulls strings at the UN, presumably to preserve canon integrity. But what if Gendo pulls strings at SEELE to get her to stay? After all, she lived in (unwilling) symbiosis with an Angel for who knows long; that could be an interesting topic to research, maybe coming up with something that can aid the execution Instrumentality. Plus it would give Shinji yet another reason to play by Gendo's rules.

To that end, Gendo uses emotional manipulation to recruit her as Unit 03's pilot. However, when Bardiel takes over the Eva and starts to infect Unit 01 too, Mayumi remembers something Shinji told her during the VN and uses it as the mental equivalent of Bottled Heroic Resolve to fight off Bardiel's Mind Rape with. As a result, Bardiel goes dormantnote  and from that point on Mayumi is in full control of Unit 03 and Bardiel, with the Eva even sprouting a second pair of arms a la Rebuild 2.0 to hold off Zeruel with until Unit 01 goes berserk and takes it from there.

Ironically, her unique nature also makes Mayumi a target of interest for Arael and Armisael.

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#3390: Oct 16th 2014 at 5:06:13 AM

Interesting approach.

On another note, my aforementioned James Bond-esque idea was also heavily influenced by having been thinking about Agent Aika at the time.

edited 16th Oct '14 5:07:05 AM by MarqFJA

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#3391: Oct 16th 2014 at 5:09:10 AM

Agent Aika? I think I remember that name. If it is what I think it is... Yeah, that should explain it.

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#3392: Oct 16th 2014 at 5:32:50 AM

Well, Asuka and Mari's fashion choices were influenced by it. Everything else seems to be much more Syphon Filter-/James Bond-based.

And hey, like I said, spur of the moment thing. It was kinda like an Ear Worm version of plot bunnies.

edited 16th Oct '14 5:33:35 AM by MarqFJA

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#3393: Oct 16th 2014 at 6:48:50 AM

Urgh, I know what those are like. >.>

@amita:So basically what you're planning for Mayumi, is something like what I'm planning for Mana. Cool.

edited 16th Oct '14 6:49:47 AM by EvaUnit01

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#3394: Oct 16th 2014 at 8:06:15 AM

Depends. Does your idea involves Zeruel being dogpiled and eaten by two berserk Evas?

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#3395: Oct 16th 2014 at 8:10:57 AM

I was referring to "have the leading lady's storyline integrate into canon to derail the series plot from that point onward" as a basic premise.

But to answer your question, no. No, it does not. However, my idea does have 100 percent more Musashi Lee Strassberg, as well as Shinji and Mana playing the Lady and Knight dynamic wonderfully straight note .

edited 16th Oct '14 8:16:01 AM by EvaUnit01

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#3396: Oct 16th 2014 at 8:38:28 AM

Current idea is to integrate Mayumi into the cast by having her transfer in while Shinji is doing his synchro-training with Asuka against Israfel. Her status as a symbiote comes up after Leliel. It's the time in-between I have problem filling with plot with.

Anyway, things still go to shit near the end: due to Bardiel's presence, Arael mistakes Unit 03 for an Angel and ignores it in favor of Asuka, who doesn't take it well. Rei does a Heroic Sacrifice against Armisael specifically to save Mayumi because she felt the latter's love for Shinji through Armisael (the Angel was trying to infect both of them at the same time), giving Mayumi a helluva lot of Survivor Guilt. Then Kaworu does the same with Shinji, saying that Angels can't feel love anywhere near as strong as humans do, and he highly respects them for that.

In the end, Shinji ends up fighting off the MP Evas after Mayumi asks Yui to help out, with Gendo of all people telling SEELE that for as long as humans are capable of loving each other, they have no need for Instrumentality.

edited 16th Oct '14 8:40:06 AM by amitakartok

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#3397: Oct 16th 2014 at 8:48:50 AM

I'm also not entirely sure of where to put Girlfriend of Steel in the timeline either. Currently, my best guess is that it should be in the "golden age", i.e., somewhere between Sandalphon and Iruel.

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#3398: Oct 16th 2014 at 9:33:04 AM

Do you have an idea for mine's title? Or should I use the title of the 2nd Impression episode (福音を呼ぶための資格, meaning "Qualification for Calling the Gospel") she appears in?

edited 16th Oct '14 9:34:13 AM by amitakartok

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#3399: Oct 16th 2014 at 9:57:06 AM

Hell if I know. For mine, I'm just going with either Romance or Continuation of Seel. Haven't decided which one I prefer yet.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#3400: Oct 16th 2014 at 12:11:19 PM

Both sound fine to me.

How long do you think I should go before properly introducing Mayumi into the cast? I'm deliberately trying to avoid Love at First Sight and Stalker with a Crush.


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