I think her entry in the All-Star Cast covers the franchise as a whole, but I could be wrong.
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But this trivia page doesn't cover the whole franchise. It only covers the canon works.
We don't currently have a franchise-wide Trivia or YMMV page.
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I wonder if we can create an index for the other RWBY trivia pages (i.e. RWBY Chibi) as well.
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That sounds like something that's worth doing. Perhaps for the YMMV page, too.
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The Unknown
Can we leave the Flame Bait aspects of Shane's letter out of this page? His claims are currently unfounded and very clearly biased.
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Agreed. I think it's best if fans don't go looking for any tropes in that letter and leave it as an issue the individual and his former employer need to work out between them.
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Wrong place.
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Musician/Composer
So, now that Talking To Himself has been merged with Acting for Two per this thread
, I wonder how we're going to deal with two or more roles being voiced by one actor in RWBY (i.e. Jason Liebrecht as Qrow and the Hound, Luci Christian as Fria and Lil' Miss Malachite, etc.). Thoughts?
I think it's fairly straight forward. They've made Talking To Himself the voice acting version of Acting for Two to fit the misuse, which is why they've made them the same trope. We just move all the Talking To Himself entries to Acting for Two.
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Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure.
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For the first two volumes, Salem was voiced by a Seattle-based actress (Jen Taylor) while the majority of the other characters were voiced by the Rooster Teeth team, which is based in Austin. From Volume 3 onwards, most of the later characters were voiced by actors from the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex and the Greater Los Angeles area.
Given that, I've been thinking about adding a potential Cross-Regional Voice Acting entry. Thoughts?
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I don't think that's what it's about. It's about a studio making use of multiple regions. It's not where the voice actors are from so much as where they do their voice recording. So, Jen Taylor being from Seattle isn't relevant. However, if RT has access to a Seattle studio where she can go to record on their behalf, then that's an example. I have no idea what the situation is for the North American voice actors, but we do know that Neath Oum does his recording for the show in a Japanese studio, so that would probably count as an example.
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Given that the series shares quite a few Rooster Teeth regulars, should we consider adding a potential Production Posse entry?
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Does it count when it's a production company producing a show and using its own staff in the show?
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Hmm… I've asked about it over on the "Is this an example?" thread here for clarification.
Sounds like it doesn't count if it's a Rooster Teeth production that's using RT staff in its own productions. On the other hand, if an RT show was making use of two hired actors from elsewhere, and those two hired actors have a history of working in the same shows across their careers, then they would be an example.
That's my take, based on what's being said at the other end of your link.
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Indeed, the trope might be super vague.
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Musician/Composer
According to this discussion, a show that uses voice actors for multiple roles like RWBY cannot use the Acting for Two trope. Thus, the Talking To Himself trope is more appropriate in this case.
As such, I moved Quinones' roles to that page per this note: "Understandably this happens a lot in animation, simply by giving the same voice actor multiple roles; see Talking To Himself for that version." Thoughts?
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You know, I explicitly pointed out in my edit reason that the one scene Harriet and Camilla appear together in, they do not interact. That's why she's hitting the limits of the trope, which is about interaction.
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Since we’re probably in a gray area regarding the differences between Acting for Two and Talking To Himself tropes, I've asked a question on the duplicate tropes cleanup thread.
I think it's pretty clear. This is an animated show that uses voice actors, so the trope to use is Talking To Himself.
However, TTH only applies if the voice actor has 2+ characters in the same scene that are interacting with each other, as the point of the trope is that the voice actor is effectively talking to themselves.
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According to NoUsername's post:
Acting for Two is the Super-Trope that covers all instances of an actor playing multiple characters, while Talking To Himself specifically refers to when characters played by the same actor interact with each other (usually in animated works)
The Malachite twins might fit under Playing Their Own Twin, since one actress is playing the twins and it’s an Acting for Two subtrope.
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Not that I disagree with your assessment. The problem isn't what you're suggesting at all. The Is This An Example? thread said that we don't use Acting for Two for voice actors. That sentence at the end of Acting for Two is also written in a way that excludes voice actors from the Acting for Two trope, which is why I asked about it — because it can't exclude voice actors if it's a super-trope. So, what's written in the trope description and what was said on the Is This An Example? thread match each other... but they shouldn't if it's a super-trope.
I think a trope description clarification and tweak is needed for Acting for Two. At the moment, it's written in a way that excludes one of its own sub-tropes, and that needs to change.
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I think we can take it to the Trope Description Improvement Drive for clarification.
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Yeah, that sounds like a plan.
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I've posted it on the TDID thread.
Considering the Troubled Production entry. Rooster Teeth has an extensive page for its shows, including entries on RWBY. Would it be fair to just link to that?
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I think that could work.
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Honestly? After looking at that page, I'd suggest taking it to the Complaining clean-up thread first. The RWBY list on that page is ridiculous, and RWBY has already been through the Complaining thread for Troubled Production; the only valid examples that came out of that are what's on this trivia page. So, it won't be a case of adding these entries to that page, it'll be a case of replacing the entries on that page with the two from this page.
It's not just the RWBY list. The gen:LOCK list looks like a list of "producing shows always has issues" rather than genuine Troubled Production examples. All of that can be written as two examples.
I'm not so familiar with the production of RvB (with the exception of all the things that have been said about Zero), but given the state of the other two works on that page, that should probably be given a proper check as well.
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For reference, we have a relevant RWBY cleanup thread here.
Half of the stuff under the "Word of God" trope could be deleted, due to being stated/shown in the show itself. Like Dust not being magic and Ruby and Yang being half-sisters.
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I think you may be right about that.
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Went ahead and trimmed it down. If anyone has any issues feel free to revert/edit it.
Looks good to me.
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All right. I posted the following example under the Talking To Himself trope.
- Harriet Bree and Councilwoman Camilla are both played by Anairis Quinones.
However, it was deemed an invalid example. Since Anairis has two roles, would it fit better under Acting for Two?
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Wyldchyld is saying that a Creator Backlash entry of Miles regreting Volume 1's Jaundice episodes doesn't count because "It's for creators who come to hate a work that is popular with fans."
Except the page doesn't say that. In fact it says this: "See, the creators are people too, and even if they're the origin of a particular work, that doesn't stop them from holding a negative opinion about it. This is what is referred to as creator backlash. It's the most high profile form of hatedom possible, since it's the very creator(s) of the work denouncing it."
Nothing in the page description says that it has to do with the creator condemning their most popular work specifically. It also goes against the trope's usage on other pages where it is used to show creator hatred of any product, even if it is not popular. To say nothing of how Jaundice is far from a popular plot and even many of Jaune's fanbase regret the episodes.
so uh wtf wyld
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I read both the trope description and the laconic and used them in combination. However, I never once claimed it had to be their 'most popular work'. I'm not sure where you got that idea from.
If you look at the trope description, it is talking about work popularity among the fans. The first paragraph talks about how a work that's popular among fans would be assumed to be popular with the creator to an equal or greater degree. The second paragraph talks about how the creator denouncing the work can trigger a sense of betrayal or resentment in fans. The third lists some of the reasons why the trope might occur. The fifth paragraph mentions that the reasons can be as many as the reasons why fans like the work. And the seventh paragraph makes the snide observation that creators who go through this trope tend not to give back all the money they've made off the work.
In the comparison section, it points out that Old Shame is an example where a work never caught on in the first place and didn't have many redeeming qualities.
The trope description goes about discussing a work that's popular with fans being disliked by its creator in a very wordy way, but the laconic does appear to summarise the trope in a relatively decent way.
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Your words were "Creator Backlash is not about creators who can look at flaws in their work and wish they'd done things differently. It's for creators who come to hate a work that is popular with fans."
The page bluntly describes it as "When a creator grows to dislike parts of their material." The stuff about popularity is to lead in to the whole idea of creators hating their past work. It's like an essay's intro paragraph.
Everything about popularity just reads you abusing a loophole and makes wanting to edit them really tiring because you just nuke everything you don't add yourself so whatever, enjoy your gatekeeping.
That's because a discussion page affords more space to write a more comprehensive response than the edit reason field does. That said, my edit reason did not mention anything about a creator's 'most popular' work either.
Since we're at an impasse, I've asked on ATT if someone can help clarify the trope and whether the entries are an example.
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So basically you kicked the can down the road and did nothing, got it. Great job.
They evidently never got back to you, so I'm re-adding the backlash.
Are spoilers on or off on this page? I ask as in the Assended Fanon section we have Team RNJR in the open but in the I Knew It! section most of V3 is spoiler taged. Do we remove them and keep any new V6 info spoliered or just flat out say No Spoiler Tags?
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Ok cleared ALL pre-V6 spoiler tags on the page and added the "Beware spoilers" warning. We can still add spoiler tags to Volume Six material, but we need to remember to repeat the clean-up, for those tags, when V7 comes out.
I Knew It! example:
- There were quite a few fans who correctly guessed that Jaune's semblance would be related to healing in some way.
I removed this because Jaune explicitly corrects the perception that his Semblance has anything to do with healing. His Semblance is Aura Augmentation. It boosts the target's Aura beyond its natural boundaries. As a result, the boost he gave to Weiss's Aura caused her Aura's natural healing abilities to be boosted and at the same time boosted the attack power of her own Semblance, which she used to impale Hazel.
In other words, Jaune didn't even single out her Aura's self-healing to boost. He just boosted her Aura and all the things her Aura can do (which includes, but is not limited to, healing) were boosted along with it. Therefore, saying that Jaune's Aura has anything to do with healing is both shoehorning and ignoring the episode's own clarification that this perception is wrong.
Now, some fans did guess that Jaune's Semblance was some kind of Aura Boost ability. They would be the fans who can call I Knew It!.
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Okay, I removed this for being trope misuse before I realised this has been Edit Warred in the past (other people have removed it for trope misuse, but it keeps being added back).
My full edit reason for removing it:
Trope misuse; the entries are Out of Focus events which is not what the trope is about. It's for situations where the character is relevant to the plot but for some real life reason, the character cannot be written into the scenes their character should be involved in. For example, if an episode was focussed on the Schnee family mansion, with the plot centring on Weiss's imprisonment, loss of inheritance and desire to escape... but Weiss didn't appear in the episode at all, that might possibly be a candidate for this trope.
- Absentee Actor:
- Due to the Loads And Loads Of Characters, Team RWBY is sometimes sidelined for other plots. (Though at least one member is present in every episode.)
- Ruby is absent in "Jaunedice, Part 2", "Of Runaways and Stowaways" and "Menagerie".
- Weiss is absent in "Ruby Rose", "Beginning of the End", "Of Runaways and Stowaways", "Family", "Menagerie", "A Much Needed Talk" and "Kuroyuri".
- Blake is absent in "Ruby Rose", "The First Step, Part 1", "The First Step, Part 2", "The Next Step", "Remembrance", "Family", "Tipping Point", "Punished" and "Kuroyuri".
- Yang is absent in "Jaunedice, Part 2", "The Next Step", "Remembrance", "Menagerie", "Tipping Point", "Punished", "A Much Needed Talk" and "Kuroyuri".
- Due to the Loads And Loads Of Characters, Team RWBY is sometimes sidelined for other plots. (Though at least one member is present in every episode.)
Brought to the Discussion page the following What Could Have Been entries; no matter how calmly worded any example might be, the source is biased, unverified and this wiki has rules about importing drama. No matter what the truth of Shane's letter may or may not be, using its contents on this wiki would be importing drama. I think the wisest course of action is for all of us to avoid trying to pull any tropes out of his letter.
- According to Shane's letter, Volume 3 would have had:
- Raven was supposed to fight Team JNPR suddenly in a cafe, her reasons unknown.
- Winter Schnee was supposedly designed with Monty's wife in mind for both design and voice.
- Yang vs. Adam was supposed to happen in Volume 3 and not be the life-altering Curb-Stomp Battle it ended up being.
- Pyrrha vs. Cinder would have ended with Jaune entering the battle and, because of his inexperience, cause Pyrrha to die, turning Pyrrha's death into a Stuffed in the Fridge moment and making it Jaune's I Let Gwen Stacy Die moment instead of Ruby's Traumatic Superpower Awakening moment.
- According to Shane's letter, Volume 3 would have had:
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I agree, we can't use part of the letter without triggering the flame bait that goes with it.
Query about the following. If this was Actor Allusion wouldn't it mean that the reason Casey and her mother are singing the song be because something happened in their lives that the lyrics are connected to? As far as I know, they duet the song because they happen to be a mother/daughter singing team, which gives extra characterisation to a song that's about a mother and daughter. Wouldn't that be the opposite of the Actor Allusion trope?
- The full version of "Red Like Roses Part II" turns out to be a duet between singer Casey Lee Williams and her mother Sandy Lee Casey. This leads to quite a bit of Reality Subtext in the song itself.
Why does Glynda's voice actress keep getting added, removed and re-added to this trivia page? Given that IQ is independently troped, shouldn't IQ trivia be on that trivia page and not this one?
I've asked for clarification on the Is This An Example? thread.
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