Discussion Main / SoYeah

You like this trope? This is not how you play the wiki! You shouldn't use anything related to Stock Phrases either!

Reecer6? From TSG? (totally unrelated but I saw your username and was like...)

Lol @ "Stop Having Fun" Guys. This is Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things.

Admins...*Sigh*

I agree, I'm getting so sick of seeing this everywhere for no reason, even when the statements actually would be fine without it. For some reason people just get the idea to add it into pages where it doesn't fit the trope and it isn't needed. It's like the new I Am Not Making This Up or something, and I hate it.

You think we should star deleting all the cases of these on the wiki?

I do, but I don't want to just start doing that and then have people be angry with me.

Most of the cases I see on the wiki are highlighting a feeble excuse, rather than leaving the conclusion for the reader to infer. An example is the page image caption on Male Gaze. I think that use is fine.

Ooo! A hunting expedition for lazy pot holes that don't add anything? Sounds like fun!

I'm declaring myself Pot Hole marshal. Here's what we can zap- anything that's not being internally referenced in a quote from the work in question. If you can take away the So Yeah Pot Hole and it still works, nuke it. If anyone gets mad, say I told you it was OK.

Brief update- I deleted a couple hundred of these references yesterday, many of which were on pages some of the more hardcore tropers regularly patrol. There were no complaints or reversions. So for the foreseeable future, anyone who wants to kill So Yeah references has carte blanche to do so.

Awesome, I've cut a few, I really hated those, I don't get why there was a huge burst of them for a while.

Question: why does this non-trope exist in the first place? It doesn't actually mean anything. On the trope page itself you're discouraged from using it, because it really does come across as a grating attempt to be snarky and aloof. Why not just get rid of the "trope" itself? It serves no purpose.

I agree with gfrequency, we should probably get rid of the trope altogether. It's not really a trope, but a phrase of sorts, the pot holes are just annoying, and I don't like it.

Well even if we cut the page, we should still use the picture for something.

Actually, do we have a trope for characters stunned into silence? I think that could be a replacement trope for this.

EDIT: And, there is Stunned Silence. I moved the picture to that.

Normally, I'd be against cutting something with over 4k links and point towards Trope Repair, but I have to agree that people use this either as a thinly veiled Take That! or as a way to avoid explaining what their entry is supposed to be about because it's supposed to be "obvious."

I at least try to use it to represent uncomfortable silence, but if other users are doing it the wrong way, then it's being misused.

The thing is, an uncomfortable silence doesn't even need to be added. It's like saying, as someone else noted, "Nuff said." If enough was said...don't say more. Uncomfortable silence has few uses beyond adding a Take That! aimed at this troper or that.

It was really misused. Some people end a sentence with this when they want to describe something more accurately, but realize they can't, leaving an awkward silence. As noted above, it was then abused to deliver TakeThats and for several other purposes that it was not meant to be used for. This is the first massive Trope cut that I've seen here that I wholeheartedly support.

Most of the times I've seen it used were to mark Unfortunate Implications. If that's what they meant, that's what they should've said.

I see that TV Tropes is really different from that other Wiki. No squares here... So we should just write: "you know what i mean", if we want to express: you know what i mean? And could we please start to require citations?

"We are not Wikipedia. We're a buttload more informal. We encourage breezy language and original thought. There Is No Such Thing As Notability, and no citations are needed. If your entry cannot gather any evidence by the Wiki Magic, it will just wither and die. Until then, though, it will be available through the Tropes Index."

Don't get me wrong, i understand the reasoning, i just don't see the bad in using it for "you what i mean"

"You know what I mean" is just as bad. Just say it, and it should stand on its own. "So yeah", "You know what I mean", "get it?" "ya know?" they're all just filler that people throw into conversation as a tic.

If TV Tropes wants to be less informal than other Wikis,.

Yes, you are right, it can stand on his own.

To make it clearer: TV Tropes doesn't want to be serious business. A casual tone seems integral to that. With that in mind, the only disadvantages i can see are repeated use of a certain phrase (not really a problem, seeing as the trope names are repeated all the time), blue text amidst black (see above), and one more trope page (is the traffic and memory that big a problem?).

Often times, people make the assumption that just because they're familiar with something, it means that others are familiar with it as well. It's only human and we've all made that kind of assumption at one point in our lives.

That said, because of this, people started developing a habit of not fully explaining their entries. So things that made sense to them didn't make sense to others who weren't as familiar with the source material. We ended up having entries that started with an explanation, then petered out into incoherency with a So Yeah because whomever wrote it thought it was 'obvious' what they were talking about. This website may have a casual tone, but there's a reason why we rename tropes to something more general and why we disallow Just A Face And A Caption: We want things to make sense to everyone.

I'm so happy. I made the original complaint above when there was nothing else on this discussion page. Now, the entire thing is gone and the world is a better place.

CHILL it's not that big a deal. omg

so yeah.

yeah, I agree. If it agrivates you so much, JUST DON'T USE IT

You sure like talking to yourself 74.113.158.16

I don't see how it was a "valid expression of a specific point". It seemed to me to be the written equivalent of trailing off and shrugging.

Should we have a trope page for "like", too, so any time people, like, use it as a placeholder, they can, like, pothole it?

It's a perfectly valid Stock Phrase. There's even a "formal" name for it: aposiopesis. Even if it stays locked and redlinked, we should at least explain what the phrase means.

"Aposiopesis" is currently an alt title for Angrish, which—from a brief Google—is a valid definition of using aposiopesis, but it's also not the whole definition.

My two cents: Make a trope article titled Aposiopesis (to avoid overusage as a pot hole), and make Angrish the subtrope.

Yep, good riddance. I (and hopefully everyone else) will try to remove every Pot Hole/link to "So Yeah" from the site.

@McAfreak: No I didn't.

I never got to read the article ;-; Was it worth reading at all?

Not really. Check out the page history, there's a bit still there.

@putnamehere3145 You missed one in your own comment.

It's locked and blanked by the admins. That sorta means they don't want you to recreate it.

I wonder if we shouldn't replace it with a trope named Aposiopesis? That is, after all, what it referred to. In-work usages of the Aposiopesis.

Well, you might be on to something there...it'd certainly be harder to pothole to something nobody can spell. XD

I'm fine with it being gone, especially since the reason I liked it is because I'm a big fan of the snarky asides and idle banter that (rather unfortunately) isn't the direction the wiki is aimed in...so the whole "instances of it being used in works" aspect of the trope I can take or leave; ain't my concern.

(I realize I've just zapped any chance I had of ever being respected around here...but I try to be civil about it, at least.)

Wait... we're not about snarky asides and idle banter? What the hell are we here for then?

So... betting pool on how long until the "buttload more informal" gets removed from the main page for being increasingly inaccurate?

Let me rephrase that; I don't think I said it quite right. I don't care if fictional characters say it; I just liked when it was appended to every other sentence on this wiki. I'm that kind of person, I guess: casual always beats formal in my opinion, even when the "formal" option isn't actually, well, formal by most standards. A comparative sense, one might say. (This sentence is here so the paragraphs are more equal.)

Again, I have no mind to contest the decision, as I know I'm in a minority, and, more importantly, the staff disagree with me. I accept my indirect defeat; I merely wished to state my opinion and find out, for records' sake, if I was truly the only one (other than the people who are mostly just bitter over "having their freedom of speech suppressed" or whatever such bullshit). :P Just so we're all clear. I try to trope peacefully.

Less than a month.

Ten points to you.

Aw, damn, are we starting Death Pools for tropes now? Darn it, why didn't anyone tell me?

Damn, wrong again!

If it gets cut it probably should be locked as well. Other wise it will be endlessly revived.

Agreed. As a trope it's little more than People Sit On Chairs, and it's as big a pothole target as I Am Not Making This Up was. It's absolutely meaningless anymore.

Shouldn't this have been discussed in the Trope Repair Shop before being deleted?

No.

At least I Am Not Making This Up seemed to serve a purpose and, in right places, added to the humor of an article. This didn't. I always meant to click on the page to see what it was but never did because... Well, it didn't seem that interesting. A lot of people in fiction and in other media say it when nothing else is left to be said, but that's it. It was, in my opinion, misused. And I don't think many people will cry for it now that it's gone. And that's saying something.