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I believe Wittgenstein said that a language game can only exist if there is more than one person to participate in it.
If I were to apply this to tropes, if I wrote something it would only have tropes if I had an audience. Can only an audience ascribe tropes to a work?
If I had no audience, would it even make sense to call what I've written a work?
Doing a completely tropeless tale is impossible, but what about a tale without any intentional tropes, and only Omnipresent Tropes ? I think it could be possible to do an Almost-Tropeless-Tale by using only "self-evident" tropes, those that are inherently part of normal storytelling and that you find in practically any story that's not a willing Deconstruction, but avoiding using any more complicated tropes.
Of course, you could decide that "Tropeless" is a trope in itself, but we're falling into paradox territory so for the sake of simplicity let's ignore this part.
I believe that tropes only exist because we define them as such.
From the point of view of a dog - or, to be really thorough, a bacterium - there are no tropes because they cannot perceive them.
Basically, you write write a story with no "intentional" tropes and tropers will still add tropes because they see them in your story.
The only way I think one can go about it, as I've suggested above, is to write something without an audience. And that's only if one considers the author to not be an audience in themselves.
The Tropeless Tale - By Zeanobia.
Nope! Sorry, but:
And also, since it is not tropeless:
PS: Don't try to work your way around all that by removing the title, because No Title is a trope.
…do you think we should get a trope page for your 'work' ?
Lol sure, I didn't have the guts in fear of spamming. Go ahead xD
I think someone actually managed to do this...
True Art Is Incomprehensible.
Also, Exactly What It Says on the Tin.
This isn't really a trope anyway...I think something has to be used several times to qualify...
Though I do believe I have an example:
"Once upon a time, there was a magical place where it never rained. The end" (Holes)
This abomination is mean-spirited, unnecessary, and just flat-out wrong. Nearly all of these "tropes" are prime examples of People Sit On Chairs. Last I checked "Plot" was not a trope by any definition, let alone our *ahem* loose definition thereof. Tropes Are Not Bad, but Tropes Are Not Good either. I cite the final rule on Welcome To TV Tropes: "...and general asshattery of any kind."
e: forgot a quotation mark :P
The only asshattery I see here is coming from you.
That post is 2 years old...
Is this page actually attempting to make any sort of point? "Tropes are not bad" with the definition of tropes tvtropes uses is like saying "having words in your story isn't bad."
the problem here is that the only way the word \"trope\" is used away from this site and its culture is as a synonym of \"figure of speech\" or as a synonym of \"cliché.\" that\'s it. full stop. and writing a lengthy, snarky article declaring otherwise does nothing at all to change this fact. and it is a fact. dictionaries print how a word is used and this word is just not reported as being used in this way in ANY major mainstream English dictionary on the planet. and there are more than the big two, but those oft mentioned two don\'t do it, either.
words matter. shared understanding of meaning is really important. no meaningful communication is possible without it. by insisting on this particular word\'s idiosyncratic interpretation—an interpretation whose origin is known only to its creators without a single citation to be found—this site in no way serves that shared understanding, preferring instead to flippantly make declarations based on faulty understanding itself—or maybe, as seems just as likely, it\'s yet another example of the arrogance of internet anonymity inspiring easily countervailed grand statements of post-adolescent sophistry.
what this site has done is conflate \"figure of speech\" with \"element of storytelling.\" not the same thing at all. labeling something a \"trope\" here means calling something an \"element of storytelling\" and this is simply false. this is simply not common parlance in any way. this site\'s culture is in no way shifting the meaning such that at some future date it becomes the norm and lands in a serious dictionary.
this all simply means that tropes are bad and will always be bad and are never a good idea to deploy and never improve a work and always push a reader out of a work and invariably ruin a good time for anyone of any sophistication with whatever art is being experienced.
and, yes, obviously, by the dictionary definition, anyone anywhere at anytime may produce a \"tropeless tale\" free of cliches and free of figures of speech and even free of metaphoric language, for that matter.
there is nothing new under the sun? children, there is ONLY new under the sun, across from the sun, around the sun ... notions once impossible until NEW notions arrived as they always do as we always learn.
that fatuous quote from that fatuous source is the last refuge of the untalented. \"It\'s tried and true!\" is that contingent\'s rallying cry.
the rest of us hear that cry ... and groan in wretched anticipation.
You sound like Chris Chan, and this is not even sarcasm
I love how you ignored that there is entire page dedicated to the fact that tropes are not bad, but anyways, since you are so confident on your power ...
Create a Tropeless Tale. No, really. Try to do it. Just remember that a book literally dedicated to a bunch of numbers has more than 10 tropes.
I agree with that. These are just categories.
I don't know if we should be having examples considering that having examples that are played straight is literally impossible. However i will keep this here just in case.
Well, Koyaanisqatsi has tropes listed, and the word incomprehensible is linked to a trope, so I'd say you did good.
We don't have it yet but I found this awesomely incomprehensable film called Decasia, i have not been able to find more then 3 tropes so far!
It is impossible to write a trope less tale because Tropes do not come wholly from the author, many are cast upon the work by the audience recognizing a pattern.
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