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* LawOfConservationOfDetail: Ideally, the aim of the Tropeless Tale is to have absolutely no content in it at all. But as the other tropes prove, even having the story be completely absent of even the most basic things a story needs, to the point where it has absolutely no words beyond the title, will spawn a myriad of tropes by itself.

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* LawOfConservationOfDetail: TheLawOfConservationOfDetail: Ideally, the aim of the Tropeless Tale is to have absolutely no content in it at all. But as the other tropes prove, even having the story be completely absent of even the most basic things a story needs, to the point where it has absolutely no words beyond the title, will spawn a myriad of tropes by itself.


-->...And that, folks, is the reason why we say Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad around here. Even the mere ''concept'' of a Tropeless Tale has {{trope}}s.

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-->...And that, folks, is the reason why we say Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad Administrivia/TropesAreTools around here. Even the mere ''concept'' of a Tropeless Tale has {{trope}}s.


You're sick of all of those ClicheStorm, {{Troperrific}}, and TropeOverdosed stories. It's getting on your nerves. Why doesn't anybody do anything ''original?'' Something new enough not to get the label of "trope" stamped on them? [[BlatantLies It's just a term used to]] [[UnusualEuphemism avoid having to say]] [[TWordEuphemism the C-word]][[note]][[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant No, not]] ''[[CountryMatters that]]'' [[CountryMatters C-word]][[/note]], [[BlatantLies anyway!]]

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You're sick of all of those ClicheStorm, {{Troperrific}}, and TropeOverdosed stories. It's getting on your nerves. Why doesn't anybody do anything ''original?'' Something new enough not to get the label of "trope" stamped on them? [[BlatantLies It's just a term used to]] [[UnusualEuphemism to avoid having to say]] say [[TWordEuphemism the C-word]][[note]][[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant No, not]] No]], not ''[[CountryMatters that]]'' [[CountryMatters C-word]][[/note]], [[BlatantLies anyway!]]
C-word[[/note]], anyway!



But then it hits you: those two storytelling elements having been used by other stories means that they're [[DecoyProtagonist tropes of]] [[NoAntagonist their own]], so you can't ''not'' have a hero or villain. As you think about this, you continue gathering tropes and realize:

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But then it hits you: those two storytelling elements having been used by other stories means that they're [[DecoyProtagonist tropes of]] tropes]] of [[NoAntagonist their own]], so you can't ''not'' have a hero or villain. As you think about this, you continue gathering tropes and realize:



# You will not have a {{narrative|Tropes}} in your story. That means no {{Dialogue}}, no {{Conflict}}, no {{Characters}}, no {{Plot|s}}. Your story will be about the [[NoPlotNoProblem purely abstract]], maybe even nothingness. [[SceneryPorn Just a page or two describing the non-existent scenery]] that is [[{{Pun}} uTropia]]. [[PurpleProse Or maybe just describing nothingness]]. [[SeinfeldianConversation Aww, nuts, that]] [[MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness won't work either...]]
# You should avert all tropes, but you cannot use AvertedTrope, either. Sound like some sort of LogicBomb? [[MindScrew Well, you have to avert that now too]].[[note]][[OverlyLongGag And then you realize]] you have to avert MindScrew as well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment and]] OverlyLongGag, and [[ShapedLikeItself Department of Redundancy Department]] and...[[/note]]

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# You will not have a {{narrative|Tropes}} in your story. That means no {{Dialogue}}, no {{Conflict}}, no {{Characters}}, no {{Plot|s}}. Your story will be about the [[NoPlotNoProblem purely abstract]], maybe even nothingness. [[SceneryPorn Just a page or two describing the non-existent scenery]] that is [[{{Pun}} uTropia]]. [[PurpleProse Or maybe just describing nothingness]]. [[SeinfeldianConversation Aww, nuts, that]] nuts]], that [[MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness won't work either...]]
# You should avert all tropes, but you cannot use AvertedTrope, either. Sound like some sort of LogicBomb? [[MindScrew Well, you have to avert that now too]].[[note]][[OverlyLongGag And [[note]]And then you realize]] realize you have to avert MindScrew as well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment and]] and OverlyLongGag, and [[ShapedLikeItself Department of Redundancy Department]] DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment, and ShapedLikeItself, and...[[/note]]



It's at this point that [[YourHeadASplode your head explodes]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation from the sheer number of paradoxes]] that have arisen from trying to create a Tropeless Tale. [[WingedSoulFliesOffAtDeath Your spirit rises out of your body into]] [[FluffyCloudHeaven the clouds]], where JustForFun/TropeTan, goddess of tropes, is waiting for you. Incensed, you say to her, "Is this some kind of [[CosmicPlaything cosmic prank]] you're pulling? I'm sure there ''has'' to be a way to write a story without tropes!"

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It's at this point that [[YourHeadASplode your head explodes]] from [[GoMadFromTheRevelation from the sheer number of paradoxes]] that have arisen from trying to create a Tropeless Tale. [[WingedSoulFliesOffAtDeath Your spirit rises out of your body into]] body]] into [[FluffyCloudHeaven the clouds]], where JustForFun/TropeTan, goddess of tropes, is waiting for you. Incensed, you say to her, "Is this some kind of [[CosmicPlaything cosmic prank]] you're pulling? I'm sure there ''has'' to be a way to write a story without tropes!"



-->...And that, folks, is the reason why we say TropesAreNotBad around here. Even the mere ''concept'' of a Tropeless Tale has {{trope}}s.

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-->...And that, folks, is the reason why we say TropesAreNotBad Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad around here. Even the mere ''concept'' of a Tropeless Tale has {{trope}}s.


Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except maybe [[Theatre/TheTempest one]] or [[Theatre/LovesLaboursLost two]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was [[{{Troperiffic}} deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliché that the writer could think of]]. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.

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Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except maybe [[Theatre/TheTempest one]] or [[Theatre/LovesLaboursLost two]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was [[{{Troperiffic}} deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliché that the writer could think of]]. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.


Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''[[Film/Empire1964 Empire]]'', ''VideoGame/GrandPianoKeys'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''Film/ManWithAMovieCamera'', ''Music/NowThatsWhatICallMusic'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'', ''Literature/AMillionRandomDigitsWithOneHundredThousandNormalDeviates'', ''WebVideo/WebdriverTorso'', and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. The closest example in video games is arguably ''VideoGame/PyongyangRacer'', and that still has some tropes. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable whether it can even be considered a "work".

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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''[[Film/Empire1964 Empire]]'', ''VideoGame/GrandPianoKeys'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''Film/ManWithAMovieCamera'', ''Music/NowThatsWhatICallMusic'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'', ''Literature/AMillionRandomDigitsWithOneHundredThousandNormalDeviates'', ''Une semaine de bonté''[[note]]a series of collage artwork by [[{{Surrealism}} surrealist]] artist Max Ernst[[/note]], ''WebVideo/WebdriverTorso'', and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. The closest example in video games is arguably ''VideoGame/PyongyangRacer'', and that still has some tropes. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable whether it can even be considered a "work".


# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you have NoAdaptationsAllowed... wait, there's a trope for that too?

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# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], a [[{{Novelization}} novel]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you have NoAdaptationsAllowed... wait, there's a trope for that too?


# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you have NoAdaptationsAllowed.

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# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you have NoAdaptationsAllowed. NoAdaptationsAllowed... wait, there's a trope for that too?


Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''VideoGame/GrandPianoKeys'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''Film/ManWithAMovieCamera'', ''Music/NowThatsWhatICallMusic'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'', ''Literature/AMillionRandomDigitsWithOneHundredThousandNormalDeviates'', ''WebVideo/WebdriverTorso'', and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. The closest example in video games is arguably ''VideoGame/PyongyangRacer'', and that still has some tropes. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable whether it can even be considered a "work".

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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''[[Film/Empire1964 Empire]]'', ''VideoGame/GrandPianoKeys'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''Film/ManWithAMovieCamera'', ''Music/NowThatsWhatICallMusic'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'', ''Literature/AMillionRandomDigitsWithOneHundredThousandNormalDeviates'', ''WebVideo/WebdriverTorso'', and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. The closest example in video games is arguably ''VideoGame/PyongyangRacer'', and that still has some tropes. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable whether it can even be considered a "work".


# You will not have a {{narrative|Tropes}} in your story. That means no {{Dialogue}}, no {{Conflict}}, no {{Characters}}, no {{Plot|s}}. Your story will be about the [[NoPlotNoProblem purely abstract]], maybe even nothingness. [[SceneryPorn Just a page or two describing the non-existent scenery]] that is [[IncrediblyLamePun uTropia]]. [[PurpleProse Or maybe just describing nothingness]]. [[SeinfeldianConversation Aww, nuts, that]] [[MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness won't work either...]]

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# You will not have a {{narrative|Tropes}} in your story. That means no {{Dialogue}}, no {{Conflict}}, no {{Characters}}, no {{Plot|s}}. Your story will be about the [[NoPlotNoProblem purely abstract]], maybe even nothingness. [[SceneryPorn Just a page or two describing the non-existent scenery]] that is [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} uTropia]]. [[PurpleProse Or maybe just describing nothingness]]. [[SeinfeldianConversation Aww, nuts, that]] [[MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness won't work either...]]


Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except [[Theatre/TheTempest one]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was [[{{Troperiffic}} deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliché that the writer could think of]]. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.

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Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except maybe [[Theatre/TheTempest one]]).one]] or [[Theatre/LovesLaboursLost two]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was [[{{Troperiffic}} deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliché that the writer could think of]]. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.


# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you're DoingItForTheArt.

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# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you're DoingItForTheArt.you have NoAdaptationsAllowed.


# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you're DoingItForTheArt.

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# No matter how popular your story is, you cannot adapt it into a [[TheMovie movie]], a [[TheShowOfTheBooks show]], a [[LicensedGame video game]], a [[TheBoardGame board game]], a [[ComicBookAdaptation comic book]], an [[AudioAdaptation audio play]], a [[LicensedPinballTable pinball machine]], a [[AllMusicalsAreAdaptations musical]], or [[TheMerch any merchandise at all]]. It looks like you're DoingItForTheArt.


To put it another way, the Tropeless Tale would be absolutely nothing.[[note]]Just make sure to avoid EmptyRoomPsych when you present it.[[/note]]

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To put it another way, the Tropeless Tale would be be... absolutely nothing.[[note]]Just make sure to avoid EmptyRoomPsych when you present it.[[/note]]



* SchmuckBait: Both the link to the Self Demonstrating page and the challenge to write something tropeless seem appealing.

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* SchmuckBait: Both the link to the Self Demonstrating page and the The challenge to write something tropeless seem seems appealing.



* YouCantFightFate: Even if it were possible to succeed, any work created that way would act as a TropeMaker for new tropes. If you found a way around that, "tropeless tale" itself would become a trope. Worse yet, since you're reading this, it already is.

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* YouCantFightFate: Even if it were possible to succeed, any work created that way would act as a TropeMaker for new tropes. If you found a way around that, "tropeless tale" itself would become a trope. Worse %%Worse yet, since you're reading this, it already is.


Or this: ∞ [[note]][[{{Infinite}} No, wait, this won't work either.]][[/note]]

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Or %%Or this: ∞ [[note]][[{{Infinite}} No, wait, this won't work either.]][[/note]]


%%Or this: ∞ [[note]][[{{Infinite}} No, wait, this won't work either.]][[/note]]

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%%Or Or this: ∞ [[note]][[{{Infinite}} No, wait, this won't work either.]][[/note]]

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