Discussion JustForFun / DisneysAnneFrank

The page type actually has to be Work in order to correctly display the reviews.

May or may not be The Nostalgia Chick doing it.

To the OP: Josef Mengele

Go ahead and read the Wikipedia article, especially right before a meal.

I don't know about Josef. I made the angel reference was that Disney couldn't resolve the plot happily without literally resorting to Dues Ex Machina. Now the rescue makes sense to some extent.

I'm sort of against adding Josef Mengele references myself. Partially because the story is already so packed, but also because it seems like there shouldn't be so many references to historic Nazis—-it distracts from Sgt. Olga. I think her point should be like Radcliffe in Pocahontas or Rasputin in Anastasia—the mythical "one douchebag" who can be used to stand in for all the complicated, real-life evildoers and conditions of WWII. Just my two cents.

I disagree.

I'm the guy who requested the cut (which was declined). In context, the Nostalgia Chick's joke made me chuckle, because it actually had a point (being Disney's, well, Disneyfying of history with the Pocahontas movies). But this page, this is just plain tasteless. And unlike pages that cover tasteless material like those Titanic animated movies, this film doesn't even exist. Everyone keeps going on about how stupid and horrible the directors of those films must have been, but what does that make the tropers who add to this page?

I support cutting this page if only because it's putting words into people's mouths (Nintendo/Shigeru Miyamoto and Seanbaby). You can't just cite a person on a subject that doesn't exist. The entire concept behind this page is tasteless and beyond any satire.

I kind of agree with you on the false quotes but I very much doubt it's the only Just for Fun page that does that.

And overall, Dead Baby Comedy should not be exempt from Just for Fun.

If it's a huge problem that it's not clearly satire, then label it satire instead of cutting it. Or if it's a huge problem that Miyamoto or Seanbaby or anybody else will take exception to it, then maybe cut out those specific parts, but don't cut the whole page.

The "Just for fun" banner would probably be helpful. Seriously, didn't that used to exist? I could have sworn it used to be on The Ugly Barnacle.

The problem with simply cutting out inappropriate material is that it's just added back in. There's no consensus on it that can be enforced.

I think this page is awesome and full, so i wanna keep it

Not only is there a disclaimer (in hottips) that this is just for fun, but there is a section at the bottom of the page further explaining how this page came to be. I think that's enough for people to realize it's a joke.

That is not the point. I don't think anyone is taking the page at face value. The point is that there are jokes that shouldn't be made.

"The point is that there are jokes that shouldn't be made."

These don't qualify, as they aren't meant to be slanderous or malicious to anyone. A joke meant to bully or defame people is bad. A joke that might seem in bad taste is merely bad taste.

Plus I would say even stuff like this falls into what Mel Brooks said about bringing monsters down to a level of ridicule. It doesn't mean we forgive what happened, or allow it to happen again. It means we don't let it stand on some kind of pedestal we can't really fight against.

Yes, this seems lofty for a joke page, but that comment does bring up those principles.

I would like to quote the troper who started the next discussion point: "Is the page perhaps becoming what it was intended to parody, an insult to a very tragic real event?" I understand the nature of the original joke, but I have serious doubts about the intentions of many tropers. I'm not accusing anyone of antisemitism or the like, but what is the real purpose behind many of these jokes: criticising Disney's treatment of history, or having a good laugh at the idea of this movie?

Secondly, while Mel Brooks' point is valid, I am wary when anyone brings up the "It's satire" argument. It often appears to be a "Get out of jail free" card. I vividly remember when a columnist in my home country went around calling muslims "goat fuckers" and he received the satire defense.

I am not arguing in favor of censorship. I am just saying that if enough tropers stand up and say "We don't want this crap on our website", we can have the article removed. And if not, then so be it.

Well that guy was actually being malicious to Muslims, which does make it bad.

As for this page, so far people don't seem to be changing their minds on if what happened as a bad thing, and this seems to be reinforcing instead us knowing that it was a very bad thing.

Assuming you are serious, that's supposed to be the clue that it's fake.

http://blip.tv/nostalgia-chick/commentary-top-ten-least-awful-disney-sequels-w-todd-lindsay-5936404 :)

I'm a troper that has added a few tropes to this page, but recently I've just added the spoiler paragraph to the front of the page telling people it's just a satire. It was never my intention (and I don't think it was anyone else's) to offend anyone, and if someone is offended, I sincerely apologize. I think the basic premise started by the Nostalgia Chick regarding the Disneyfication of history for the sake of family films was a funny one, and I don't know if I got carried away by adding to it. If people on this site can come to a consensus as to how to handle this page, whatever they decide will be fine with me.

(pardon the slight change of handle I'm using, I have different cookies saved on different computers) I think possibly i'm misdirecting my dissatisfaction with the page due to the fact that as it progresses the edits seem to be less about adding more jokes and more about adding celebrities or revealing more of the actual story. I remember hearing a line once about how the most accurate a map can get is when it becomes indistinguishable from the terrain it represents, and I think this trop is on that line, pretty much indistinguishable from an actual trope page: partly entertaining but mostly inane trivia. The film in turn becomes more real in our minds.

I don't know honestly. I'm happy it exists, I just wonder where it's all going.

Maybe we should stop editing at this point, so there won't be any more details added to the movie.

Do it yourself, it's a wiki for a reason.

actually I think it's 2 songs short. "Attic Clean Up" and "the Shimmer (of Chrystal Nacht.)" is missing.

So far, we have listed 15 songs in total for the duration of the film, one of which is actually a reprise from one of them!

• "Life Up Above"
• "Living Free (Until The Nazis Find Us Again)" (the "I Want" Song)
• "Living Free" (Sad Reprise)
• "Life is Heil-arious!" (establishing number)
• "Block Party" (at the Bar Mitzvah)
• "Love Is Strange"
• "Endurance"
• "Leibchen (I Love You)"
• "I Used to be Ze Bad Guy" (the Kaiser ghost's song)
• "The Stars and Moon"
• "It's Tough at the Top" (Churchhill and Roosevelt's song)
• "Step by Stumbling Step (I Still Can't Find Mein Mutter)" (Ludvig's number)
• "Free Again" (ending song?)
• "Dial Up Ze Nazi" (Villain Song)
• "It Feels Like Home"

The number of songs will rival those in Alice In Wonderland, currently ranking as the Disney animated film with the highest number of songs. Unless they are all a minute and a half, there will be little story in this film. But then again, we've surmised that this isn't particularly well-written anyway.

I thought the very same thing, especially when I saw the "Just for Fun" index at the bottom of the article.

Yeah, it was a joke in Nostalgia Chick episode. Having a page here is of questionable taste, however.

Agreed. I'm fine with having a page, but there should be a note SOMEWHERE of the not-real nature and pseudo-Show Within a Show nature of the work.

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It is a Just for Fun page.

In parallel with Inspector Spacetime, I'm adding a Fandom-Related Tropes folder at the bottom that explains it. (When I'd previously looked at Inspector Spacetime, it didn't have any indication that it was a joke except being on Just for Fun, which is why I thought that would be sufficient here too.)

EDIT: Will be adding when it's unlocked.

EDIT EDIT: It's been removed. Leaving as is unless there are more calls for disambiguation.

I am for deletion. It's bad for the reputation of the wiki if there are fictional works mentioned in one comedic review here.

Then what are Just for Fun pages for?

And if that's the case, someone should save the article on their computer.

It's satire, and it's hilarious, and it's Just for Fun! I say don't delete, or at least make it clear that it's a satire.

Holy crap, I posted those names for the villains on the comments for the picture, and whoever wrote this used them : DDDDD

SO HAPPY.

If there's anything tv tropes doesn't need more of, it's worrying about its "reputation". This article is fun, it doesn't do any harm, and it's even in the right category, Just for Fun. Please don't delete this.

While I agree that this article should probably remain up, as it's in the screw-around category... perhaps a big, bold notice that this is, in fact, a joke would be helpful?

If not, I bet we see this on some news station about the degeneration of something or another in short order.

Oppose deletion. We could mark it as satire for those who get fussy about these things.

I think this is taking the TGWTG hero worship on this site a little far.

It's not exactly hero worship. It's exactly like Inspector Spacetime and Lindsay herself is gleeing over the page.

There really should be some indication RIGHT AT THE TOP that this isn't for real. I was linked to it from outside, and wasn't 100% certain until I got to the end.

There's now a hottip saying that it's imaginary, but if that's not sufficient then I would rather see something more prominent added than deleting the whole thing. People obviously put a lot of time into this, it's made me LOL, and I thought There Is No Such Thing As Notability meant that there could be a page for anything, even things that don't exist. I mean, Tropey the Wonder Dog isn't any more real than this, but he has a page!

I mean come on, we have The Ugly Barnacle. Why the hell not?

(though didn't just for fun pages used to have just for fun right at the top?)

What if we put a Suspiciously Specific Denial at the top? Like maybe:

This is a real movie. The very idea that anything on this page might be entirely made up by Tropers just for the hell of it is ridiculous and laughable. It is certainly not inspired by a joke from the Nostalgia Chick's "Top Five LEAST Awful Disney Sequels", which the movie poster was absolutely not created exclusively for.

Disney might actually send a cease & desist order over this, seeing as it is not CLEARLY labeled as satire.