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Dec 13th 2013 at 1:48:29 PM •••

I'll leave this here. "Unlike his most recent — decidedly adult — features, Folman plans to keep this adaptation family-oriented for audiences worldwide"

Nov 5th 2013 at 4:11:05 PM •••

What exact trope would the recent "Disneyfied" Anne fall under here? Does it count as something In Hindsight or an Aneurysm Moment?

Aug 13th 2013 at 2:21:58 AM •••

My Name Is Not Durwood is no longer a trope. Please readd under the correct trope.

  • My Name Is Not Durwood: Sgt. Olga is very insistent that the name of her dachshund is Mr. Goebbels, not "Mr. Gobbles." Though in the ending, when he's adopted by Anne's father, they rename him Mr. Gobbles and he seems pretty pleased by it.

Aug 12th 2013 at 7:43:55 AM •••

For a moment, I actually thought this was real. I was all like, "I thought The Nostalgia Chick was just making stuff up, then I noticed it was Just for Fun. You tropers are pretty good deceivers.

And if it was real, I probably would have known about it, like I do most Disney movies.

Mar 23rd 2013 at 10:29:53 PM •••

Should Sgt. Olga and Josef Mengele be a Big Bad Duumvirate or should Olga be the Dragon-in-Chief. The article makes it sound like it can go either way.

Also, we never got around to adding a "celebrity voice actor" for Josef Mengele. I recommend we go for what will perhaps be the ultimate Mean Character, Nice Actor and say that Disney somehow managed to get Mister Rogers to voice Mengele.

Edited by Kersey475
Jun 10th 2012 at 11:56:54 PM •••

Is it just me, or is there a lot of anachronisms going on in this page?

Apr 7th 2012 at 12:00:22 AM •••

there should be spoilers. You know, there's a "real" movie that is gonna be really spoiled, the ending and all, if we don't slap some spoile tags around

Feb 12th 2012 at 2:07:38 PM •••

Why isn't there a button to the YMMV page here? Is it a glitch, or just the result of not being labeled as a proper work?

Feb 9th 2012 at 12:37:46 PM •••

Who is this Josef, and why are so many entries being added to the already-packed movie trope page by one troper?

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Feb 10th 2012 at 4:32:59 PM •••

May or may not be The Nostalgia Chick doing it.

Feb 23rd 2012 at 11:59:25 AM •••

I don't know about Josef. I made the angel reference was that Disney couldn't resolve the plot happily without literally resorting to Dues Ex Machina. Now the rescue makes sense to some extent.

Feb 23rd 2012 at 7:49:57 PM •••

I'm sort of against adding Josef Mengele references myself. Partially because the story is already so packed, but also because it seems like there shouldn't be so many references to historic Nazis—-it distracts from Sgt. Olga. I think her point should be like Radcliffe in Pocahontas or Rasputin in Anastasia—the mythical "one douchebag" who can be used to stand in for all the complicated, real-life evildoers and conditions of WWII. Just my two cents.

Edited by Merlock
Feb 8th 2012 at 3:22:44 PM •••

I'm...not sure how to treat this page. Do I love it or loathe it?

Dare I cobble a review for it? My brain is conflicted...

Feb 8th 2012 at 5:31:29 AM •••

Oh god. She's here. Lindsay is HERE. EDITING.


Feb 8th 2012 at 5:08:05 AM •••

How could it be released in 1989 when Pocahontas was released in 1995? Bit inconsistant there, wouldn't you say?

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Feb 10th 2012 at 4:32:39 PM •••

Assuming you are serious, that's supposed to be the clue that it's fake.

Feb 6th 2012 at 7:31:21 AM •••

Lindsay Ellis just made a commentary on her Top 10 Least Favorite Disney Sequels video. With any luck, she'll make one on her Top 5 Least Awful ones, where she will mention this page! :D

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Feb 4th 2012 at 11:38:24 AM •••

Someone reduce the references to Lorenz-whats-his-name and Mary-Blance-blah-blah-blah please. The movie is about Anne Frank, not these two guys. The article was WAY better before all those comments about them were introduced.

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Feb 4th 2012 at 7:58:42 PM •••

Do it yourself, it's a wiki for a reason.

Jan 27th 2013 at 12:07:10 PM •••

The page type actually has to be Work in order to correctly display the reviews.

Jan 30th 2012 at 7:21:12 AM •••

Is the page perhaps becoming what it was intended to parody, an insult to a very tragic real event?

I thought it was absolutely hilarious when it started, but over time I've started to get the feeling that this sort of satire is best suited to a single long-form essay (like "A Modest Proposal" or "A Thinking Ape's Critique of Trans-Simianism") that has a definite set of parametres and a single-minded joke behind it. When it's a hive-minded thing it's harder to justify a single ideology behind the humour. Plus the more people add to the page the higher the ante is raised on how close to the bone it can get.

I think the best thing to do, in the interest of comedy and decency, would be to settle on a "final" version of the page and leave it locked, so people can appreciate the joke but not dilute it.

I still think it's really funny, but the more jokes are added the less it feels like it's at the expense of crappy animation producers.

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Jan 30th 2012 at 8:46:29 AM •••

I'm a troper that has added a few tropes to this page, but recently I've just added the spoiler paragraph to the front of the page telling people it's just a satire. It was never my intention (and I don't think it was anyone else's) to offend anyone, and if someone is offended, I sincerely apologize. I think the basic premise started by the Nostalgia Chick regarding the Disneyfication of history for the sake of family films was a funny one, and I don't know if I got carried away by adding to it. If people on this site can come to a consensus as to how to handle this page, whatever they decide will be fine with me.

Feb 3rd 2012 at 6:37:18 AM •••

(pardon the slight change of handle I'm using, I have different cookies saved on different computers) I think possibly i'm misdirecting my dissatisfaction with the page due to the fact that as it progresses the edits seem to be less about adding more jokes and more about adding celebrities or revealing more of the actual story. I remember hearing a line once about how the most accurate a map can get is when it becomes indistinguishable from the terrain it represents, and I think this trop is on that line, pretty much indistinguishable from an actual trope page: partly entertaining but mostly inane trivia. The film in turn becomes more real in our minds.

I don't know honestly. I'm happy it exists, I just wonder where it's all going.

Feb 6th 2012 at 7:30:21 AM •••

Maybe we should stop editing at this point, so there won't be any more details added to the movie.

Jan 19th 2012 at 2:23:19 PM •••

C'mon, it's hilarious. It'd be a shame to cut.

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Jan 21st 2012 at 1:12:39 AM •••

I'm the guy who requested the cut (which was declined). In context, the Nostalgia Chick's joke made me chuckle, because it actually had a point (being Disney's, well, Disneyfying of history with the Pocahontas movies). But this page, this is just plain tasteless. And unlike pages that cover tasteless material like those Titanic animated movies, this film doesn't even exist. Everyone keeps going on about how stupid and horrible the directors of those films must have been, but what does that make the tropers who add to this page?

Jan 21st 2012 at 1:54:27 AM •••

I support cutting this page if only because it's putting words into people's mouths (Nintendo/Shigeru Miyamoto and Seanbaby). You can't just cite a person on a subject that doesn't exist. The entire concept behind this page is tasteless and beyond any satire.

Jan 21st 2012 at 9:38:12 AM •••

I kind of agree with you on the false quotes but I very much doubt it's the only Just for Fun page that does that.

And overall, Dead Baby Comedy should not be exempt from Just for Fun.

Edited by Sukid
Jan 21st 2012 at 9:58:16 AM •••

If it's a huge problem that it's not clearly satire, then label it satire instead of cutting it. Or if it's a huge problem that Miyamoto or Seanbaby or anybody else will take exception to it, then maybe cut out those specific parts, but don't cut the whole page.

Jan 21st 2012 at 6:01:03 PM •••

The "Just for fun" banner would probably be helpful. Seriously, didn't that used to exist? I could have sworn it used to be on The Ugly Barnacle.

Jan 22nd 2012 at 1:48:46 AM •••

The problem with simply cutting out inappropriate material is that it's just added back in. There's no consensus on it that can be enforced.

Jan 22nd 2012 at 2:14:11 AM •••

I think this page is awesome and full, so i wanna keep it

Jan 23rd 2012 at 2:17:31 PM •••

Not only is there a disclaimer (in hottips) that this is just for fun, but there is a section at the bottom of the page further explaining how this page came to be. I think that's enough for people to realize it's a joke.

Jan 24th 2012 at 1:37:27 AM •••

That is not the point. I don't think anyone is taking the page at face value. The point is that there are jokes that shouldn't be made.

Feb 12th 2012 at 1:09:18 AM •••

"The point is that there are jokes that shouldn't be made."

These don't qualify, as they aren't meant to be slanderous or malicious to anyone. A joke meant to bully or defame people is bad. A joke that might seem in bad taste is merely bad taste.

Plus I would say even stuff like this falls into what Mel Brooks said about bringing monsters down to a level of ridicule. It doesn't mean we forgive what happened, or allow it to happen again. It means we don't let it stand on some kind of pedestal we can't really fight against.

Yes, this seems lofty for a joke page, but that comment does bring up those principles.

Feb 12th 2012 at 3:55:45 AM •••

I would like to quote the troper who started the next discussion point: "Is the page perhaps becoming what it was intended to parody, an insult to a very tragic real event?" I understand the nature of the original joke, but I have serious doubts about the intentions of many tropers. I'm not accusing anyone of antisemitism or the like, but what is the real purpose behind many of these jokes: criticising Disney's treatment of history, or having a good laugh at the idea of this movie?

Secondly, while Mel Brooks' point is valid, I am wary when anyone brings up the "It's satire" argument. It often appears to be a "Get out of jail free" card. I vividly remember when a columnist in my home country went around calling muslims "goat fuckers" and he received the satire defense.

I am not arguing in favor of censorship. I am just saying that if enough tropers stand up and say "We don't want this crap on our website", we can have the article removed. And if not, then so be it.

Feb 12th 2012 at 2:06:19 PM •••

Well that guy was actually being malicious to Muslims, which does make it bad.

As for this page, so far people don't seem to be changing their minds on if what happened as a bad thing, and this seems to be reinforcing instead us knowing that it was a very bad thing.

Jan 18th 2012 at 11:40:12 AM •••

The song list is getting out of hand, especially the villain songs. There are probably an infinite number of funny Nazi song ideas, but that doesn't mean this page should list all of them. We should really pick the 1-2 villain songs we like best and only keep those. Song list so far:


  • Block Party (Anne's Walkman song)
  • Dial Up Ze Nazi (Sgt. Olga's song about running Auschwitz)
  • I Used to Be Ze Bad Guy (Kaiser Vilhelm's BLAM)
  • Life is Heil-arious (singing Nazis)
  • Living Free (Anne's award bait song)
  • The Stars and the Moon (Peter and Anne's love song)


  • The shower scene (I agree, that's...even beyond my sense of morbidity)
  • Churchill and FDR's breakdancing scene

I think "I Used to Be Ze Bad Guy" and "Life Is Heil-arious" are redundant (villainous BLA Ms). Also "Block Party" and the breakdancing scene (unless the breakdancing scene is part of "Block Party"). If we want more songs, they should avoid overlapping with these.

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Jan 18th 2012 at 2:40:53 PM •••

actually I think it's 2 songs short. "Attic Clean Up" and "the Shimmer (of Chrystal Nacht.)" is missing.

Jan 23rd 2012 at 2:16:27 PM •••

So far, we have listed 15 songs in total for the duration of the film, one of which is actually a reprise from one of them!

  • "Life Up Above"
  • "Living Free (Until The Nazis Find Us Again)" (the "I Want" Song)
  • "Living Free" (Sad Reprise)
  • "Life is Heil-arious!" (establishing number)
  • "Block Party" (at the Bar Mitzvah)
  • "Love Is Strange"
  • "Endurance"
  • "Leibchen (I Love You)"
  • "I Used to be Ze Bad Guy" (the Kaiser ghost's song)
  • "The Stars and Moon"
  • "It's Tough at the Top" (Churchhill and Roosevelt's song)
  • "Step by Stumbling Step (I Still Can't Find Mein Mutter)" (Ludvig's number)
  • "Free Again" (ending song?)
  • "Dial Up Ze Nazi" (Villain Song)
  • "It Feels Like Home"

The number of songs will rival those in Alice In Wonderland, currently ranking as the Disney animated film with the highest number of songs. Unless they are all a minute and a half, there will be little story in this film. But then again, we've surmised that this isn't particularly well-written anyway.

Jan 18th 2012 at 8:29:14 AM •••

  • Busby Berkeley Number: The shower scene.

...these may be the most horrible six words I have ever read.

Jan 18th 2012 at 4:33:13 AM •••

Disney might actually send a cease & desist order over this, seeing as it is not CLEARLY labeled as satire.

Jan 17th 2012 at 6:07:27 PM •••

Do you think Disney Villain Death, or Dragged to Hell would be more fitting for the main villain?

EDIT: Nevermind. After a Tweet response from Lindsay, I went with Dragged Off to Hell

Edited by Emperordaein
Jan 17th 2012 at 1:14:20 PM •••

...are we really sure this really happened? It looks fake to me...

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Jan 17th 2012 at 1:23:46 PM •••

I thought the very same thing, especially when I saw the "Just for Fun" index at the bottom of the article.

Jan 17th 2012 at 1:57:44 PM •••

Yeah, it was a joke in Nostalgia Chick episode. Having a page here is of questionable taste, however.

Jan 17th 2012 at 1:59:49 PM •••

Agreed. I'm fine with having a page, but there should be a note SOMEWHERE of the not-real nature and pseudo-Show Within a Show nature of the work.

Edited by SchizoTechnician
Jan 17th 2012 at 5:32:01 PM •••

In parallel with Inspector Spacetime, I'm adding a Fandom-Related Tropes folder at the bottom that explains it. (When I'd previously looked at Inspector Spacetime, it didn't have any indication that it was a joke except being on Just for Fun, which is why I thought that would be sufficient here too.)

EDIT: Will be adding when it's unlocked.

EDIT EDIT: It's been removed. Leaving as is unless there are more calls for disambiguation.

Edited by jewelleddragon
Jan 17th 2012 at 5:37:37 PM •••

I am for deletion. It's bad for the reputation of the wiki if there are fictional works mentioned in one comedic review here.

Jan 17th 2012 at 5:40:06 PM •••

Then what are Just for Fun pages for?

And if that's the case, someone should save the article on their computer.

Jan 17th 2012 at 5:48:11 PM •••

It's satire, and it's hilarious, and it's Just for Fun! I say don't delete, or at least make it clear that it's a satire.

Jan 17th 2012 at 5:51:15 PM •••

Holy crap, I posted those names for the villains on the comments for the picture, and whoever wrote this used them : DDDDD


Jan 17th 2012 at 6:31:16 PM •••

If there's anything tv tropes doesn't need more of, it's worrying about its "reputation". This article is fun, it doesn't do any harm, and it's even in the right category, Just for Fun. Please don't delete this.

Edited by AlucardSX
Jan 17th 2012 at 6:40:47 PM •••

While I agree that this article should probably remain up, as it's in the screw-around category... perhaps a big, bold notice that this is, in fact, a joke would be helpful?

If not, I bet we see this on some news station about the degeneration of something or another in short order.

Jan 18th 2012 at 8:21:50 AM •••

Oppose deletion. We could mark it as satire for those who get fussy about these things.

Jan 18th 2012 at 8:24:05 AM •••

I think this is taking the TGWTG hero worship on this site a little far.

Jan 18th 2012 at 8:27:28 AM •••

It's not exactly hero worship. It's exactly like Inspector Spacetime and Lindsay herself is gleeing over the page.

Jan 19th 2012 at 6:37:17 AM •••

There really should be some indication RIGHT AT THE TOP that this isn't for real. I was linked to it from outside, and wasn't 100% certain until I got to the end.

Jan 20th 2012 at 6:10:07 PM •••

There's now a hottip saying that it's imaginary, but if that's not sufficient then I would rather see something more prominent added than deleting the whole thing. People obviously put a lot of time into this, it's made me LOL, and I thought There Is No Such Thing As Notability meant that there could be a page for anything, even things that don't exist. I mean, Tropey the Wonder Dog isn't any more real than this, but he has a page!

Jan 20th 2012 at 9:07:38 PM •••

I mean come on, we have The Ugly Barnacle. Why the hell not?

(though didn't just for fun pages used to have just for fun right at the top?)

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