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FWIW, we had zapped Weapons.Destiny long ago
(and sent it to the Permanent Red Link Club, for good measure), and denied troper requests to make a trope section for each of the RWBY heroines' weapons on Characters.RWBY Team RWBY (which has become a locked page).
1. I don't know if there is a site-wide ruling on the matter, but I would say non-sentient weapons (or any inanimate objects) are not characters. They can be a MacGuffin or a Sword of Plot Advancement, but unless they have their own goals/needs/wants, it's pointless to characterize them.
2. Obviously no characterization based tropes would apply in that case. But there are plenty of other tropes that would apply, I mean we do have indexes like Sword Tropes.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Tony's armor was a character in an old story arc from about two decades ago. A good one, too.
MCU The Multiverse lists locations instead of characters. I mean, Tropes Are Flexible, but isn't this a bit extreme? Surely these tropes wouldn't be out of place in they were simply listed in the works' main pages. And can a location being shown in another work even count as a "cameo"?
Edit: I assume the Back from the Dead example you mentioned refers to Thor's hammer. I firmly believe such entry should be deleted. Mjolnir is not sentient or even alive, so it cannot be "killed" in the first place. Hela turned it into a Wrecked Weapon, and that's it.
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^^ That's not relevant to the MCU, though.
A smile better suits a hero
^^That sounds more like shoehorning than listing weapons as characters, but someone more familiar with the franchise might want to provide some input on that.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I did request that we create a new subcategory for locations and mcguffings (well, only the latter) just in cases for this.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
FWIW, I think some of these things could be their own tropes. "Weapon gets shattered and is reforged before the final battle," for example, seems like a fairly common device. I just agree that character tropes shouldn't be applied here.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
^ That would be Reforged Blade. And even then, it's not what happened here. Thor's hammer was destroyed in his third film, then he went back into the past and retrieved it from an alternate timeline. The original weapon is still a pile of shards.
I do remember we had another ATT related to this. I don't think we had any better consensus, though?
Either way, if they aren't characters(even species can be in the right context), they shouldn't get their own spot on the page. Being sentient can be enough as long as they have something worth noting.
For the reforged blade example, you could argue it's played with here or an aversion, but there's probably a better trope anyway.
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I'd say it depends on how the work treats the weapon. If you've got I Call It "Vera" in full force, then sure, the weapon/vehicle/whatever can get its own character entry.
Most of the time, it's better to treat them as a part of their users.
Because non-sentient weapons usually lack motivations, emotions, and reactions, they cannot have characterization tropes applied to them. Non-characterization tropes can be applied, but they shouldn't be included on the character subpages any more than setting or plot tropes should have their own folders.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Looks like we have some individuals who are putting back Falcon's Redwing drone as an inclusion on the character list page. I removed it again.
Did you cite this thread? I only ask cause it's important to cite these threads/sources, otherwise it can look like an Edit War even when it isn't.
We did.
Two questions: 1. Do we list non-sentient weapons as characters? I have no qualms with troping those or even creating subsections on character pages to group related tropes together, however I feel that adding weapons to character lists is a bit too much.
Check the notes on the Marvel Cinematic Universe page to see what I'm talking about.
2. Do we apply certain tropes to non-sentient weapons? Can Tony Stark's armor or Thor's hammer be an Adaptational Badass, Back from the Dead, Composite Character? I understand that Tropes Are Flexible, but are they that flexible?