Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

Could we maybe start afresh with Trivia Crowner 7?

Is Trope Overdosed in and of itself a trope? Trope Overdosed is basically about how a show is discussed/perceived in another work (that latter work happens to be TV Tropes). The actual trope count isn't something that happens in the original show. In order to understand the example, you need to be familiar with something besides the actual show itself.

Edited by Mickoonsley19 on Jan 31st 2019 at 5:29:35 AM

Trope Overdosed is a statistic. I don't think it's a proper trope.

On some work pages, I think I've seen it listed as a trope alongside normal tropes.

You'll see a lot of things on the wiki that you're not actually supposed to do. That is, after all, the downside to a wiki.

I feel like Trope Overdosed could barely qualify as trivia if we wanted to wick it.

I count about 180 wicks from work pages or work subpages, so it is getting wicks.

Is it a good idea to make Trope Overdosed trivia?

Trope Overdosed doesn't say anything about the making of the work or the behind the scenes. It's an internal statistics page entirely about how much action the work has on TV tropes. If anything it's closer to an Audience Reaction or fandom trope, with the audience reaction being "this work is popular with tropers". It's also an index. So it shouldn't be trivia.

So if I see it listed as a trope on a work page, what should I do?

Remove it. It's not a trope, and those entries are redundant with Trope Overdosed being an index. I think it's ok to wick to it in a work description though.

We should look into whether Dummied Out should count as a trivia piece. It revolves around leftover content that is typically inaccessible without a bit of cracking.

It had a Playing With page that was cut because whoever cutlisted it thought the trope was considered trivia...when it wasn't labeled as such, according to this ATT query.

Another user brought up the trope a while ago, and said there was no response.

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 7th 2019 at 6:16:26 AM

Dummied Out should be trivia, in my opinion. It has no narrative significance, and is impossible to reach through normal gameplay, therefore it's not a trope. It's essentially a subtrope of What Could Have Been, which is trivia.

I don't have a horse in the "should YMMV / Trivia items have Playing With pages" race.

I'll third the notion that Dummied Out should be moved to Trivia, though. It's not part of the work; it's about things that are specifically not part of the final work because they got, well Exactly What It Says on the Tin.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 8th 2019 at 10:29:28 AM

Invader from ATT here. I'm not particularly interested in the YMMV/Playing With page debate, but I do think Dummied Out should be trivia.

The thing about Dummied Out content is that it's still in the game, in contrast with What Could Have Been which is about stuff that was never released. I think calling that trivia is like calling all unintentional tropes trivia because they're "not intentional".

I'm not saying it's trivia because it wasn't intentional, I'm saying it's trivia because it's just a production fact. Something got Dummied Out. It's not a trope found in the work nor is it a reaction to anything in the work, it's a fact about the work's production.

It's not in the game, though. It can't be accessed by playing the game. The creators intentionally omitted it from the game. It is, by design, not part of the work. It's interesting trivia, but it's not part of the thing that the game designers released for the public to play. It's no more a part of the game than the back side of a canvas is part of the painting, or the Barnes & Noble price sticker is part of the book.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 8th 2019 at 4:54:11 AM

I don't agree with that assessment at all. It is in the game. A lot of the examples you can access through the game, and even so, unlocking stuff by fiddling with files and stuff still makes it part of the game if it's not a new mod made by someone else.

It's not comparable to a sticker put there by someone not involved with the production at all. It's more comparable to an unintentional trope. Those are still tropes. This is also a trope. Although even that's underselling it, since it is intentionally part of the work, just not intentionally accessible.

Tropes mean something, right? What does Dummied Out mean? What would the narrative purpose be? If it doesn't have one, it's not a trope.

That's ridiculous. Fiddling around with files is not playing the game.

If I order a croquet set, throw away the croquet mallets, and start pelting my brother with the styrofoam packing peanuts they came packed in, that does not mean that pelting my brother with styrofoam packing peanuts is part of the game of croquet.

Just gonna pop in to say some 227 Trivia subpages wick to Dummied Out, probably not all of which are people ignoring its nominal non-trivia status and putting it there anyway but I suspect most of them are.

I'm responsible for cut listing PlayingWith.Dummied Out. I thought there was a Trivia banner on it at some point. Slap me with a fish.

Is this the right place to point out a Trivia trope in the wrong namespace? Because Man of a Thousand Voices is specifically about voice actors and (unlike the related Talking To Himself) is still in Main.

Any other opinions on Dummied Out?