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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#179276: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:03:53 AM

Next ep. Im doing this after getting second opnions from lighty and acw

Jim Pratt from The fade.

So whats the work?

The fade is a 2018 horror ya book by new author Demitria Lunetta

The tagline: "We don't want to disappear. We want to be found."

Something terrible happened in her basement. Haley can feel it.

Four girls went missing several years ago, and the police never solved the case. But Haley know the missing girls were murdered. How else can she explain the hostile presence in her house?

The ghostly girls need something from her. And unless Haley can figure out what they want...she might be next.

and the culprit behind these murders. Jim Pratt

So whose the villain and what has he done?

Jim Pratt is the seemingly kind boyfriend of Haley's sister Shannon. In reality though Pratt himself is the killer. Having a lifelong lust for his sister kaitlyn. After he tried to force himself on her, she rejcted him. For that he had her tied down, beaten and then stabbed to death with a screwdriver. He then bgan to stalk and murder her friends who looked like her. Brutally murdering 4 girls(Emily, Gigi, Brandy and Kaitlyn) in total when they wouldnt live up to his standards including the police chiefs daughter (He says that one was the most difficult and that it took a large amount of effort on his part). He then placed there bodies behind the panel installings in the baesment and took a souvienar from each of them (Its implied by Kaitlyn that his victims were alive when he did that). Emily’s ring. Kaitlyn’s necklace. Gigi’s clutch. Brandy’s ribbon.

Anyway gaining a creepy obsession with shannon after he sees her five years after his spree, outside the old pratt house. He inducts himself into her life as a seemingly sweet and kindly boyfriend since she looks just like his sister. The ghosts of the four girls he murdered haunt the halls of his house and discover justice on him in order to pass on. There slolwy fading away, the longer this takes but cant directly manipulate the outside world. They know he plans on killing shannon as well eventually so warn her sister haley who has the ability to see spirits and attempt to get her to solve there case. They could only send out visions of stuff at random as a way to try and get her to solve it before thinsg are too late.

Anyway Haley investigates with her boyfriend Coop....Only to get murdered at the books half way point when somone pushes her down the stairs of her basement that she was going to. . Now a ghost, its revaled she has far more able to influence people through possession and discovers that Jim is the killer. She teleports and along with coop (who can also see spirits and was emily's brother) go to the basemnent to get the remains. There Pratt attacks Coop before haley's father comes onto the scence. Jim then bruatlly attcks him , leaving him uncious and planning to kill him to cover this up. Anyway injured now from the fight, Shannon comes home and tries to save her father but Pratt stops her and intneds to let him die. After she confronts him about the bodies that they dug up, he claims that iot was there fault and tries to blame for what happened when he killed them for not lving up to what he wanted and is a creep.

To save her sister since she knows he plans to kill her, she posees shannon and

well this:

“You are disgusting,” I blurt out, which probably isn’t the smartest move, but I can’t help it. I try to back away, but he grabs my—Shannon’s —hair and pulls my face close to his own.

“Did you kill Haley?” I ask in Shannon’s voice.

He looks genuinely confused. “No, why would I?”

“You’re a murderer.”

“I loved Kaitlyn. I loved the rest too. Shannon,I love you so much it hurts.”

“You only kill the ones you love?” I ask. “You are a total freak.”

He slaps me, hard. My vision goes fuzzy for a moment. “Why did you make me do that, Kaitlyn?”

I try to keep him talking. “You kept souvenirs,” I say. “Emily’s ring. Kaitlyn’s necklace. Gigi’s clutch. Brandy’s ribbon.”

His face goes pale. “How do you know that?”

H* e’s loosened his grip, so I pull back my arm and punch him in the face. I’ve never been in a fight, never hit anyone, but Shannon is strong, and I manage to put a lot of force behind my blow. Pain explodes in my hand. But I’ve caught Jim by surprise, and he’s forced back. He trips over Coop’s body and goes down hard, a look of confusion on his face.

“You and I were meant to be together,” he tells me.

I turn to run, but he lunges and grabs my legs, sending me crashing to'the floor. He has me on my back and is sitting on my chest within seconds. He’s so strong, so heavy. I saw him do this with Kaitlyn. I saw what struggling got her. I go limp.

“Maybe we can still be together,” I gasp out, trying to keep the disgust from my voice.

He tilts his head. “Do you really mean that?”

“Haley.” Coop’s voice sounds like it’s right next to my ear.

Suddenly,there’s something in my hand. It’s sharp, and I can feel it slicing into my finger.

“Yes. I was just surprised. I…love you.” I choke out the words. He eases up for a moment, just a moment, and it’s all I need. I don’t think, I just'act.

I ram the box cutter into his neck. He looks shocked as his hands go to the blade, pulling it from his wound. Blood spurts everywhere, raining'down on my—Shannon’s—face.

His fingers move to my neck and he squeezes. I can’t breathe. I punch at him and can feel his grip weaken. With every heartbeat, he’s losing more and more blood. His life pulses from his body. He topples forward, all his weight on me. I roll him off, exhausted. I shake out of Shannon’s body and she scrambles from his side.

Anyway with Pratt's death. The spirts of the grils he killed gather around his newly created one. They know he was a bullshitter and a monster who wont admitt that hes at fault with anything and drag him into a portal to hell for eternal dammnation. They then cross over into the afterlife, with justice served.

Freudian Excuse ?

Nope just an incestous creeper.

Other mitigating factors /

hell no all this is just pure obessesion on his part for sister as well as his victims. He kills without remorse and even keeps souvinarss of his victims for fun. He then tries to spin it that his victims are at fault and even his victims know that for all of those claims, he is just evil.

And no he doesnt love shannon or anyone. Hes simply in love with the idea, not the the person and plans to kil her afterwards

Heinous atndard ?

Five victims (Coop dies from his wounds btw). Attempted Rape. Torture, walling them alive.

Then two more attempted. Yeah thats more then enough.

Now its eventually revealed that Coop was the one who killed haley as in order for his sister to pass on, he needed a more direct way for the spirits to interact and killed her so shed become a go between.

That said its just one murder and Pratt has far more with lots more nastiness added on.

So Pass.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 21st 2019 at 1:05:33 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#179277: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:10:15 AM

[tup] to Jim

Things are really about to get Fun around here
G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
TheMadCr0w Gentle Laborer from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#179280: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:39:02 AM

[tup] Fire Emblem duo. I take it Edgelard is a WIE?

[tup] Trapper. Cullen's gotta be getting close to Ennis in terms of CM's?

[tup] Jim.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Pemulis_128 A 20th Century Boy from Teleporting behind you Since: Jul, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A 20th Century Boy
#179281: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:50:19 AM

@ACW Yeah, Edelgard isn’t even close to being a CM.

Voting [tup] on Trapper and Jim Pratt. Abstaining on Zodiac due to ambiguity.

Edited by Pemulis_128 on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:51:58 AM

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#179282: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:53:53 AM

Sure to James "Jimmy" Auger/the Trapper, the Zodiac and Jim Pratt.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#179283: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:12:08 AM

[tup] Jim and [tdown] Zodiac. I've seen the movie and it's way too ambiguous IMO.

Keshali Since: Jul, 2019
#179284: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:28:57 AM

[tup] Everyone except Zodiac killer [tdown]

UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#179285: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:54:07 AM

Anyone looked at Planet of the Apes: Last Frontier before?

TheMadCr0w Gentle Laborer from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Gentle Laborer
#179286: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:23:41 AM

[up] The search function is right there.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#179287: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:25:16 AM

Update on Smite:

Alright, so I just read some of the lores with two heinous gods who I plan to bring to this thread but one of them I stripped because of there's this redeeming quality surrounding him: Ao Kuang and Bakasura.

  • Alright, Ao Kuang? He's the guy who demanded his people to have children sacrificed so that he could feast on them and if they don't comply, he will sent some tidal waves towards his own people. He definitely carves his own unique niche with his children sacrifice but there's this one mitigating factor that led me to give him a strip: When his son, Ao Bing, was defeated by Ne Zha, Ao Kuang demanded Ne Zha's father to make reparations for the offense committed by his son, or he would send floods and storms to ravage the land. So yeah, I think he cares too much for his son unless if I didn't read the lore correctly and this led me to strip him for potential CM candidate despite being well...A bastard with a unique niche of his own.
  • Now then, with Ao Kuang sorted out, let's talk about Bakasura. He's a horrendous demon with bottomless appetite of human flesh and committing countless atrocities. One notable instance is that he terrorizes several villagers of Ekachakra so that he could gain more sacrifice and food for himself. Now, Bakasura? Has a sizable bodycount as there are some bones and blood discretion shot on his own lore video. Now, the issue is that the cannibals are pretty much not rare but not common either: We have the aforementioned Ao Kuang, Fenrir and Camazotz. However, compared to Fenrir and Camazotz? Bakasura has a sizable bodycount (Camazotz doesn't have one) and onscreen vileness compared to the latter two (Although Fenrir did swallow an armor and a sword and spit it out in his winning animation) and then there's Bakasura's stunt on eating his minions to gain more power that gives him a huge bodycount and you could argue that Bakasura has lesser resource than Ao Kuang and the story of him being self-contained and doesn't connect to Ao Kuang and other god's lore after all like Da Ji.

With that said, shall I give Bakasura a shot just to make sure? Ao Kuang is a no even if I want him to qualify. But Bakasura is a different story.

And yes to all of the candidates I missed

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Aug 21st 2019 at 5:25:46 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#179288: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:32:25 AM

Where's the search function?

TheMadCr0w Gentle Laborer from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Gentle Laborer
#179289: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:36:17 AM

Uhhhh that bar just left to your profile pic, the one with "Search" on it.

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#179290: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:36:53 AM

@Ultimate What Crow said. Seriously, I used the search function and came across an answer to your question, right here. Though you could do a re-litigation of the game if you want.

@Elfen I think someone asked about the Smite versions of Hades or Loki before. Your say on them?

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#179291: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:45:25 AM

Alright Pratt will come later after I get more votes while Emmanuel will be done after I complete the series. That said the others.

  • Some Girls Bite, Friday Night Bites & Hard Bitten: Celina Desaulniers, the head of House Navarre started off by murdering her lover in a spiteful act after he rejected her. Celina began a murder spree as an excuse to kill Merit—leading to her siring after an attack— after Merit's father earned her scorn while framing the deaths on the other vampire houses in order to prop hers up and gain humanity's trust with an eventual end goal of using this to initiate a bloody war between vampires and humans. Later taking advantage of a superntual summit, she plans to use it to sow tensions and restart an ancient war between vampires and shapehsifters regardless of the death this would cause. Eventually desperate, Celina allies with the corrupt Mayor Seth Tate and helps distribute the drug "V" to vampires all across Chicago starting murder sprees while getting the attention shes always desired as its distributor. Even Celinas last moments have her temporarily kill Merit's lover Ethan as a way to spite her, cementing herself as Merit's

  • Dark Debt: Julian Burrows is a vile vampire hired by the circle to take the guise of Ethan's sire Belthasor to torment him. Julian is a monstrous rapist who hunts and rapes woman for the fun of it even shocking other members of the circle. After being empowered by the below mentioned Sorcha Reid with the ability to violate the minds of his victims, Julian begins a rampage over Chicago, forcing his victims to feel as if they were being sexually assaulted. After being found it, Julian reveals he intends to rape Merit out of lust being nothing more a salve to his lustful whims.

  • Iron Man: The Gauntlet by Eoin Colfer: The Mandarin is an infamous terrorist who gained ten powerful rings by kidnapping and later killing one of Tony's friends after he forced her to make them. Mandarin in the present intends to make a grand show by launching an attack an at environmental conference, killing the ministers there and taking over the positions to sell the environment off to the highest bidders despite the collateral damage taking potentially thousands of lives. Planning to frame Tony Stark as the perpetrator, he has him run his gauntlet where his prisoners duel him before being killed and decapitated in order to keep the fear in his men. The Mandarin despises failure and will have his men subjected to the powers of his ten rings should that occur. In his final battle, the Mandarin uses the teenage girl Sasorie as a hostage in order to force Tony to fight him head on while never planning to let her go no matter who wins there fight.

How many is this for mr. eion colfer cm wise ?

Edited by miraculous on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:45:38 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from NYPD (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#179292: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:48:15 AM

[tup] Jim and Trapper.

[tdown] Zodiac, due to lack of identity confirmation.

Feels good, don't it?
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#179293: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:50:49 AM

@Draxterrus Will probably do Hades soon and maybe Loki. But there's some lingering issues for them. We'll see what happened in later future.

Anyways, anyone want to answer my question on Bakasura

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#179294: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:53:06 AM

[up] What lingering issues?

As with Bakasura, I have read your overview about him, I say go for it.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#179295: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:02:36 AM

@Draxterrus Loki...I guess it had to do with the moment where he stopped Skadi on rampaging in Asgard and there are other Omnicidal Maniacs to pay attention with. (Hades, Apophis and Ra comes to mind although Ra stopped become one when he asks Hathor to stop killing all of the humans) But I could argue that he started the Ragnarok for fun like mir said and the moment with Skadi came before well...Loki's descent into villainy.

Hades, I think because of this part of his lore: "Hades was known to be a stern and fair ruler since his domain is a necessary one. He hates those who cheat death and steal from him." Unless if his standards are bullshit like Anjuro.That and he's just there because he's a sadist I guess I can give him a shot.

Right...I'll do Bakasura's EP at a later time.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#179296: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:19:51 AM

[tup] to Jim and Trapper

[tdown] to the Zodiac

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#179297: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:30:13 AM

Brixton doesn't seem "pissed" when Eteon kill him - he seems disappointed by their betrayal but comes to terms with it. Like, Shaw decides to spare Brixton and Eteon decides to "decomission" him. That has to sting. So in context, his loss of loyalty doesn't necessarily invalidate his beliefs.

You know, sleeping on it count me as an official no.

I imagine Brixton will get cut regardless when more see the film, which I honestly recommend, and not just for the discussion. Maybe when it's on home release?

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#179298: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:33:58 AM

Keeping my yes to the Zodiac. The lack of identity confirmation doesn't remove his heinous deeds.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from NYPD (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#179299: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:36:48 AM

I neglected to mention that the zodiac killer is also ambiguously remorseful.

Feels good, don't it?
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#179300: Aug 21st 2019 at 4:37:51 AM

[tup] to the Trapper and Pratt. [tdown] to the Zodiac Killer.


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