During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Switching to abstaining on Kano for now.
Walking Dead: Does The Governor care for Bruce?
Not in any redeeming way I remember
Btw, I force myself to read Ultimatum...Ultimate Magneot does seem to express regret for damaging the world. Brief, but there you go
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Kaino and Magneto
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Cut Ultimate Magneto then. I can take care of that and the Monster.Star Craft stuff Thursday, while I should finish the Dredd stuff this or next week.
My thing with the Governor, from the character page (first is Gov's entry, 2nd is Bruce's):
- Villainous Friendship: With Bruce. The only time he actually seems upset about something is when Bruce gets killed.
- Black Best Friend: He seems to be the Governor's only genuine friend. The Governor is actually broken up over his death.
edited 14th Mar '16 9:58:28 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
for Kano and Ultimate Magneto
You know I was wondering has there ever been an effort post on Serrator from Power Rangers Samurai on here? I know Master Xandred has been approved as a CM as he has an entry on the PR CM page, but what about Serrator?
edited 14th Mar '16 11:09:06 AM by G-Editor
Wild Child
Switching to a no on Kano.
Why so serious?
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
@Ravok: So he is seriously messed up in the head. Eh....think I'm switching for Kano.
Insofar as Mr. Blonde has been repeatedly discussed and kept, has anyone thought about getting his "torturing a cop" speech added to the quote page? Or can anyone just go ahead and do it?
There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
Wild Child
Oh. I guess it would be redundant, then.
There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
RIP Toriyama
BTW, here's a buttload of potential pics for Monster.Fullmetal Alchemist, all featuring Security Chief Atlas
[1]
◊ Pictured: Atlas after torturing two innocents to death.
[2]
◊ Pictured: Atlas preparing to murder Julia Crichton, a teenage girl.
[3]
◊ Pictured: Atlas betraying and murdering one of his partners, Miranda.
[4]
◊ Pictured: Atlas betraying and murdering his other partner, Raul.
edited 14th Mar '16 12:04:53 PM by Ravok
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Isn't anyone answering my questions!?
I wanted to clarify wether or no we remove Simm's master as a CM
I wanted to ask if there has ever been an effort post on Serrator from Power Rangers Samurai on here? I know Master Xandred has been approved as a CM as he has an entry on the PR CM page, but what about Serrator?
Sometimes I feel like I'm being ignored
Simm Master, Ultimate Magneto.
Wild Child
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I like the fourth pic, if only because it's one frame that details his evil.
edited 14th Mar '16 12:09:26 PM by Clown-Face
Why so serious?
Here's my write up of Haido if all is good. It's 251 words
Haido, the main villain, was first introduced as a Well-Intentioned Extremist hoping to use the Stone of Gelel to create a utopia. However, his warm smile only hid pure evil. Years ago, after learning about the Stone of Gelel, he attacked Temujin’s village in hopes he could find it. He murdered all of the adults with his men, including Temujin’s parents. He decided to spare the children, not out of regret, but because they would be more useful to him alive. Seeing Temujin’s potential, he made the boy his apprentice and put one piece of the Stone in his chest while convincing the children to place their souls in armoured suits, becoming mindless soldiers he had complete control over. He convinces them that killing and sacrificing their bodies are necessary, and because of this he has entire villages in the Land of Winds killed finding the Stone. In the climax, after reaching the Mines of Gelel, he starts assaulting everyone. Temujin tries to intervene, but Haido’s Slasher Smile allows him to finally recognize his parents’ killer. Haido mocks Temujin for not realizing it sooner and forcibly takes the crystal he gave out of Temujin’s chest, declaring him a pawn no longer useful. Transforming into a more monstrous state, he reveals his lies and proclaims he will use his new power to enslave the world. Using lies to get away with murder, cruelty and claiming power, Haido was a depraved monster whose transformation only highlighted the ugliness he hid from others.
"Sam Manson is a terrible character."
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Add here please.
As for the Serrator, he was discussed, but not sure of a consensus.
edited 14th Mar '16 1:45:04 PM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Really when was the discussion
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Mentioned here.
Beginning to question Saint Charloss' inclusion. His actions and personality seem to be the standard fare for Celestial Dragons, and honestly, I feel that non CM's in the series like Buggy, Moriah, and Crocodile have done worse than him.
A total has-been.
Well what damage does Charloss do and what resources does he have at his disposal?
I took a look at the link ACW gave, it seems that it only discusses Master Xandred so I decided to give Serrator a proper effort post for him, here it goes
Who is Serrator? What has he done? Serrator is a major villain of Power Rangers Samurai and an ancient Nighlok King not even known by Master Xandred. When he is first introduced he is seen wiping out an entire army of Moogers in an effort to gain Master Xandred's interest. He then initially pledges his loyalty to Master Xandred with his goal to flood the Earth with the Sanzu River, but would later reveal to backstab him once Xandred is of no longer any use to him. When he introduces himself to the rangers he and his Moogers effortlessly defeat them with rangers only gaining the upper hand later on thanks to Antonio. He lets them live, but only so that they could be useful to his plans saying "they past the test for now." When he appears again he recruits Dayu and Decker with false promises to their broken items. He also casts a dark spell on the island of Monolua causing the inhabitants there to fight each other. When Xandred's Dragon Octoroo and Dayu waiting for her harmonium he promised to fix, grew suspicious of Serrator, he tries to kill them saying that he no longer needs them nor Xandred and only join's Xandred's group to steal Dayu's Harmonium. Dayu now furious, attacks Serrator only for with to reveal that he was the one who caused all of her and her lover's misery 200 year ago when at the night of Dayu and Deker's wedding, their house caught on fire, in which Dayu called for help to save her husband Deker, who got badly affected by the fire. Serrator appeared as a shadow and makes a deal to save Deker's life. The deal was for Dayu to trade her humanity for an eternity in the Netherworld. Dayu accepted, but Serrator tricked her by cursing both of them to live on as half human/half nighlok with Decker losing his memories of his previous while Dayu still retained her memories causing both of them to live their lives forever in agony and despair. It is even strongly implied that Serrator was the one who started the fire in the first place. He shows no remorse for this and even admitted to Dayu that he enjoyed every minute of it. All of this cumulates to his plan to rule both Earth and the Netherworld by splitting the world in two an act that would kill billions, if not more in the process.
Freudian Excuse? None. The only thing we knew of his history is that he was a Nighlok King.
Redeeming Qualities? Not really. He does give back Decker Uramasa, but that is only because he thought Decker would still serve him and plans to kill him off once he is of know use to him any longer, not realizing that Decker would instead betray Serrator once Serrator out lived his usefulness. It is more of Serrator being a Smug Snake that anything else
Heinousness standard? He might have some competition with Master Xandred, but given that the atrocities he caused and that he has been here longer than Xandred, so god knows what else he has done, I certainly believe he counts.
Final Verdict?
I would give him a ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
. I leave the rest up to you guys.
edited 14th Mar '16 4:50:52 PM by G-Editor
He shot a guy (possibly killing him) for protesting against him taking his fiance, beat a wounded man for not bowing to him, tried to kill Zoro for walking in his way, wanted to buy Camie for the sole reason of watching her run from his piranhas, and he shot Hachi. Resources wise, he's a world noble, so he has some of the highest authority in the manga and connections with the world government. He's bad, but his actions don't seem nearly as heinous as Crocodile who isn't a CM.
@5263 I'd say either the first image or the fourth image works best. Though I kind of question using Atlas as the image for CM's of FMA.
edited 14th Mar '16 4:51:30 PM by kirbystarwarior
RIP Toriyama
I'll probably take the FMA pics to Image Pickin' soon, so I'll let everyone know when they're ready to be voted on if they wish to contribute.
Anywho, here's Block's preliminary write-up (And yes, ACW, I'll also post it into the Drafts 
)
- Secret Smile: When Brendan Block, a seemingly kind and polite man, is dumped by Miranda Cotton for his possessive nature, he reveals his true, monstrous, colors. Known to have committed crimes such as assault and money laundering in the past, it is implied Block had something to do with a house fire that claimed the lives of his parents when he was 9 years old. Seducing Miranda's sister, Kerry, Block integrates himself into the Cotton family, slowly manipulating them all into hating Miranda through various means, all the while psychologically tormenting the woman. After growing close with Miranda's teenage, clinically depressed brother, Troy, Block manipulates him into stopping his derpression treatments, while also convincing him Miranda hates him, leading to the boy committing suicide, something Block subtly taunts Miranda about at Troy's funeral. After dumping Kerry on their wedding day to inflict maximum pain, Block hooks up with Miranda's best friend, Laura, and when Laura, realizing Block's vicious nature, tries to contact Miranda for help, Block arranges for her to drown in her bathtub. Later having a new girlfriend, Naomi, who he regularly abuses, Block uses her to try and get Miranda arrested for stalking him, and, when Miranda saves Naomi from him, Block attacks and rapes her, before trying to kill her with his bare hands. What Brendan Block lacked in body count, he more than made up for with sheer wickedness and depravity, nearly driving a woman insane and ruining her entire family for nothing more than revenge on her for dumping him.
edited 14th Mar '16 6:40:15 PM by Ravok
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
edited 14th Mar '16 9:10:46 AM by username2527