Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Upon rereading the Dark Bakura entry under Monster.Yu Gi Oh, I realized that it should be rewritten to accommodate for both the manga and anime since Dark Bakura performs different actions in the manga than in the anime. And please don't bring up me trying and failing to have him removed. That was an Old Shame and I promise that will not happen again. Here is what I propose:

• The Spirit of the Millenium Ring, known as Dark Bakura (Yami Bakura), was the longest running antagonist of the series, and one of its worst, though his actions between the manga and anime were different.
  • In the manga, Dark Bakura was with Ryo Bakura for a long time before he moved to Domino City. Whenever any of Bakura's friends tried to play games with him, Dark Bakura would trap them inside of RPG figures, putting them into comas. When Yugi and his friends came over to play the Monster World RPG game that Bakura himself created, Dark Bakura trapped them inside over the course of the game and tried to kill them. After this, he fakes a Heel–Face Turn and gets the gang to believe that he's trying to help them (though they don't trust him) and then kills Pegasus and steals his Millennium Eye behind their backs. During Battle City, he stabs himself in the arm and then reverts back to normal Bakura so that Marik can gain the groups trust and then murders Ghost Kozuka after a duel to take his Puzzle Card. In the final arc, Dark Bakura is revealed to have manipulate his host into constructing an RPG of Atem's final battle, in which the RPG figures are implied to be sentient, to summon Zorc Necrophades, who will then proceed to destroy the world, again if he wins the game against Dark Yugi. He duels Jonouchi and Yugi at two separate occasions and nearly kills them both.
  • In the anime, the Spirit of the Ring was possessing Yugi's friend Bakura for almost the entire duration of the series. During the Duelist Kingdom arc he traps Yugi and his friends within the card game, resulting in their being sent the graveyard if defeated. He subsequently tries to bodyjack Mokuba Kaiba, and rips Pegasus' Millenium Eye out of his eye socket, leaving him in a coma. During Battle City, he infiltrates the tournament and sends Bonz, Zygor, and Sid to the Shadowrealm, then tries to do the same to Yugi and Yami. Failing, he returns in Season 5 as The Big Bad. Outing himself as an agent of Zorc Necrophades, The Spirit of the Ring repossesses Bakura, and sets in motion a plot to bring about The End of the World as We Know It. He kidnaps Mokuba to force Kaiba into a Shadowgame, then traps the cast in the Memory World, where he can control their lives, possessing Tristan and his own past self, Thief King Bakura, in the process. Eventually pulling a You Have Outlived Your Usefulness on his own past self, The Spirit of the Ring unleashes Zorc in the past, while taking on Yami in his final Shadowgame in the present, with the intent of making the world bow down to his dark god.

edited 21st Aug '15 10:16:26 AM by SatoshiBakura

I think we decided on excluding his manga crimes because of the higher heinous standard.

The heinous standard of the manga isn't that much higher. The only extra villains in the manga are mundane jerks, bullies, and criminals. Seto Kaiba comes close to Dark Bakura's level at the time, but ultimately his backstory and subsequent Heel–Face Turn keep him from getting there. And note that none of these criminals try to destroy the world.

Also remember that when Dark Bakura first arrived in the anime, he didn't seem to be any worse than Pegasus in his crimes.

edited 21st Aug '15 6:44:48 AM by SatoshiBakura

I give including manga Dark Bakura a I feel that he sticks outs in heinous in the manga as well.

I think tomorrow I may just do a grammatical cleaning of Criminal Minds and Fallout. Have the entries from each all been approved?

IMO the only thing that could exclude manga!Dark Bakura is the existence of pre-mindwipe Kaiba, who is arguably the worst person in the whole manga until Dark Marik comes along. Shadi and Yami Yugi himself are also far more morally ambiguous than in the anime.

edited 21st Aug '15 2:14:14 PM by HamburgerTime

So I'm slightly confused about how this thread works. Do we cite a work and the example of a CM from that work, and why they're considered a CM?

edited 21st Aug '15 2:38:25 PM by ThePest179

Well, would Kaiba himself count then?
Pretty much. What's the work, who's the character, what did they do, etc.

No because of a Freudian Excuse and later becoming an Anti-Hero, albeit by being mystically reprogrammed. He was turned down a good while ago.

Wouldn't being "mystically reprogrammed" not be a disqualifier, though? Not arguing for his inclusion, but that sounds like his becoming an anti-hero was due to outside influence rather than his own choice. Like, I think something similar happened with Carnage in Marvel comics, but he was voted "keep" because he didn't have a choice in the matter.

edited 21st Aug '15 3:13:17 PM by PostalDude47

Think of it as magical therapy. Yugi didn't automatically reprogram him, he forced him to reassemble his heart.

It's just that the wrier kinda wanted Kaiba to be a different person later. Entirely.

EDIT: Yes, ACW, they were all approved.

We did let in the Red King from Hulk, who went through a similar transformation.

Even so, pre-mindwipe Kaiba is a closed case.

Not exactly the same, IMO. Forcing someone to confront and rebild themselves is different from a forced mindwipe.

So he kind of forces him to have a "My God, What Have I Done?" moment?

So the work I currently have in mind is Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72 the CM in question is President Rumsfeld. In the series Rumsfeld has critics of his regime imprisoned without trial in "mental health clinics" or killed, used voter fraud on a mass scale to get re-elected, removes almost all regulations in the economy and government (and as a result is letting the poor die from lack of Social Security and/or letting them be abused and mistreated by their employers, and is letting the environment decay), is supporting numerous repressive dictators (most notably an established CM Magnus Malan who's committing genocide in South Africa), and recently is allowing soldiers wounded on the battlefield to be murdered by their own side in order to save the cost of having to care for them.

Is he CM material?

edited 21st Aug '15 3:58:33 PM by ThePest179

How does he stack up against the existing CMs in that?

edited 21st Aug '15 3:43:53 PM by PostalDude47

He seems bad (especially supporting Malan), but does he have the body count of the other 2?

• The Lesser Mao is Mao Zedong's successor as dictator of the Chinese People's Republic. He manages to be even worse than his predecessor, turning all of China into a horrifying hybrid of post-Cold War North Korea and Khmer Rouge-era Cambodia, with totalitarianism ramped up to eleven and the country turned into a giant death camp and killing field. When the military rebels against him for his regime's excesses, he destroys the rebel-controlled city of Kwangsi with a nuclear missile. Later, he creates a virulent strain of influenza that kills the better part of a million people worldwide, none more so than in China itself. This creates the worst health year since the Spanish Flu.
• General Magnus Malan of South Africa makes the Apartheid system even worse until it is effectively a Neo-Nazi state except in name, nominally supported by the United States for its anti-Communist hysteria. His regime is actively waging a losing war in the rest of Southern Africa, committing constant massacres against African natives and using chemical weapons and dirty bombs against their enemies. When their fascist state eventually collapses, he arranges to wipe out most of the continent with South Africa's nuclear arsenal.

I actually think Dark Bakura, even in the manga, was worse than Kaiba was seeing as he didn't only want to kill Yugi and his friends in a game (which is what Kaiba attempted) but also wanted to condemn their souls to that game for kicks. And then he does stuff like murder Pegasus and plan to revive Zorc to bring about mankind's destruction. Kaiba was third most heinous next to Dark Marik and Dark Bakura, but he was never a Complete Monster since his excuse was pretty valid and he wasn't beyond rehabilitation.

The body count is unconfirmed, but if we consider people "indirectly" killed by his policies it could number over a million.

Oh, and I forgot to mention he's also trying to weaponize AIDS and exploited the aforementioned flu outbreak to spread anti-Chinese racism and get more votes in the election. He also invaded Cuba in order to distract Americans from their domestic problems, rather than to remove a dictator or help the Cuban people.

edited 21st Aug '15 4:05:09 PM by ThePest179

Trying to weaponize AIDS??? Yikes.

Is this supposed to be the same Rumsfeld who was Secretary of Defense under G.W. Bush? I know a lot of people hated him, but wow.

It's a caricature of the real Rumsfeld. He's just being used as a Strawman Political by the author.

edited 21st Aug '15 4:06:21 PM by ThePest179

He gets a from me, I'm just commenting 'cause I found it funny.

BTW, should those 2 entries be moved from Literature to the "Web Original" group of Other Media, since it's not a book per se?

edited 21st Aug '15 4:13:24 PM by ACW

So what's the stand on Terrence D'Arby so far?