During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
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to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
He massacres a factory of workers, murders the heroine's family, uses electric torture and tries blowing up a populated warehouse... the work seems dark enough that his attempt to conquer the world violently is almost definitely something I'm inclined to take at face value. I'm a pretty solid yes for Chang.
Goku Black
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Chang
Professor Gigachad
Yes to Jake Chang
Also, people please give EP's a breather for a bit.
to Isshiki Otsutsuki, Shannon McShannon and Jake Change.
Edited by MGD107 on Mar 1st 2021 at 11:41:20 AM
The Draftsman of Doom
Oh, I almost forgot, yes to Isshiki.
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I assume you meant Chang.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 1st 2021 at 2:55:44 PM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
The wifi here sucks
Yes to Change
Yeah I saw MGD's post right before I posted and it weirdly convinced me that that was his name despite me knowing it was wrong.
Edited by papyru30 on Mar 1st 2021 at 1:06:17 PM
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
to Isshiki Otsutsuki, Shannon and Senor Chang!
Edited by G-Editor on Mar 1st 2021 at 10:04:12 AM
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Yes, let's slow down on the EPs please. We've had seven in the past two hours or so.
Anyways, here's another EP. :D
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Nah I'm just jokin'. I do got a write-up though.
- 24: The Game: Peter Madsen is a ruthless mercenary working for Max. After Joseph Sin-Chung sabotages CTU headquarters with an EMP, Madsen and his mercenaries storm the building and take everyone hostage. When Madsen realizes Kim Bauer encrypted a hard drive he and Sin-Chung were trying to decrypt so they could expose undercover agents' identities, Madsen starts executing CTU personnel, and later kidnaps Kim once she gives herself up. Madsen also murders his partner, Sid Wilson, because he couldn't find an escape route for him, and has all of his men killed. Opting to destabilize Los Angeles, Madsen and his team placed several bombs at various focal points in the city, one of which exploded and caused an earthquake that killed hundreds and created a citywide blackout. On Max's orders, Madsen kidnapped Kate Warner so the two of them would force her father, Bob, into helping them smuggle nuclear materials out of the country.
"The Juice is Loose."
Yes to Hendred, Ishiki, Shannon, and Chang.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
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That's going next week. "[R]uthless mercenary" pothole to Psycho for Hire? Also, Max can probably be potholed to 24 - Peter Kingsley Group (which should probably be renamed).
Edited by ACW on Mar 1st 2021 at 3:09:40 PM
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Goku Black
Would Kingsley himself count ?
His character page says he plans to nuke LA to start a war between the middle east and the us.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Well he was hired by Max to do it though.
That said, I’d be willing to definitely see an EP on Kingsley if he’s established well enough.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2021 at 12:16:18 PM
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I honestly don't remember, but does he do enough on his own that isn't just a pawn of Max? Especially considering what Phillip and Alan Wilson get up to?
Edited by ACW on Mar 1st 2021 at 3:15:25 PM
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Pending list is getting too long, let's get some done, guys.
Snowy, can you get the Adventurequest world stuff up, please?
- Last Days of Pompeii: Arbaces, the power-hungry priest of Isis, seeking to place himself as the most powerful man in Pompeii by framing the Christians ad helping to intiiate their purges and executions. Despising the good-hearted Gaius for having the heart of Ione, the ward he lusts over, Arbaces murders Ione's brother for uncovering his schemes and frames Gaius to have him executed among many other Christians and claim Ione for his own.
- Isshiki Otsutsuki, more commonly known as Jigen, came to earth to create a new God Tree to consume all life in order to give himself a new Chakra Fruit to evolve further. Upon being betrayed by Kaguya, Isshiki stole the body of a young monk named Jigen, keeping him prisoner in his own mind for a thousand years as he formed Kara. Being responsible for the deaths and experiments of Kara, including the horrific deaths of all prospective vessels save Code and Kawaki, Isshiki later emerges to try to steal Kawaki's body with the plan being to resume the God Tree to consume the world. After his death, his spirit leaves his will to Code, telling him to devour world after world, inheriting Jigen's desire to become a god.
@ACW That’s my concern too, except I’m still curious and all the more if Tyk ends up doing an EP, regardless of the outcome.
He’d be the first for Tobin Bell I believe and if not him, then I got my own EP for a Tobin Bell character coming sometime down the road too.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
@ACW: I suppose. As always, not super picky with potholes, so whatever works for you.
@miraculous: No. Peter King—well...I mean he did supply Syed Ali with the bomb...and he was behind the Coral Snake team killing anyone to silence witnesses. So like...ah.
Hmm.
-glares at my copy of Season 2 of 24-
I'll be back in a week.
...Damn it, I'm gonna have to deal with that mountain lion subplot again. >__>
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
To get this out of the way:
Judge Dredd: False Witness:
Pendleton Snipe is a mutant from Cursed Earth, who managed to get inside Mega-City One. Initially suffering because of bigotry, Snipe decided to use it for his own benefit, changed his apperance and took the name of Dr. Galen Filth, after which he created a program "Filthy Language", where he constantly blamed the unregistred people and Judges for all the problems within Mega-City One, causing riots and civil unrest. To get himself in the good graces of the elites, Snipe kidnapped dozens of mutant children from his hometown and put them in his modified resyk chamber, where they were dissolved and their genes were absorbed by the elites to prolong their lives.
Shannon McShannon is Dr. Filth's protege and the head of the program "Straight Shooting' with Shannon", where spread bigotry and hatred across the population of Mega-City One, causing a large number of people to gather and start attacking unregistred people and the Judges. Assisting Dr. Filth in his kidnappings of mutant children, Shannon also regularly injected herself with the genes of the children, as soon as they dissolved, to keep a healthy apperance. After discovering Dr. Filth's mutant origin, Shannon has him killed and framed Mathias Lincoln for it, leading to a greater civil unrest within Mega-City One.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Jigen goes after Deepa?
...Wait, that makes Isshiki the head of Deepa's group, doesn't it?
Gotcha. I guess Victor now has an extra pothole.Let's go Corrupt Corporate Executive for "feed all of his company's workers to it".
Edited by ACW on Mar 1st 2021 at 3:24:15 PM
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Goku Black
Isshiki goes first. Hes Kara's leader and appears before the other two.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Draftsman of Doom
- Black & White (Image Comics): Jake Chang, the head of Phoenix World Enterprises, is a former criminal who faked his death to become a respected and powerful figure, and intends to pursue global domination using heavy weaponry. Introduced raiding the Kamasaya brewery to access the weapons stashed underground, Chang has the factory workers—armed and unarmed alike—slaughtered, abducting the factory manager. Having the manager's niece, Whitney Samsung, committed to a psychiatric ward, Chang forces his workers to dig for the weaponry at the risk of their own safety, having any insubordinates killed. After a confrontation with Whitney and her ally Reed Blackett, and a subsequent confrontation with a reporter, Chang has the reporter targeted in retaliation for mentioning his alleged illegal activities. Later torturing Whitney's uncle with an electric prod, Chang tries to have Whitney's inheritance signed over to him. Subsequently rigging his warehouse to explode, when Whitney and Blackett subdue his men, Chang abandons any survivors to their fates before detonating the warehouse.
43, ~Tropers/ACW, if you can help me trim this, I would appreciate it, but I would like to keep the potholes the same if possible.
Guess I will add it to the drafts, then.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 1st 2021 at 3:35:33 PM
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Eh, 162 words isn't bad.
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This thread has exploded for the 10000 page celebration!
Edited by WatTambor on Mar 1st 2021 at 11:38:12 AM