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SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#1: May 1st 2023 at 8:12:48 AM

The Go Animate page was probably one of the first pages I made edits for, back in 2017, as it was something I had a massive guilty pleasure of watching. I haven't edited it in years, but I took a look back at it now after seeing calls to clean it up, and it has a lot of issues. I've split some of the ones I observed into folders.

    Word Cruft 
  • Adaptational Nice Guy: D.W. Read. As a consequence of Arthur being the most targeted character from his eponymous show, she is commonly portrayed as an innocent victim of Arthur's schemes (like Rosie) with her trademark brattiness rarely coming into play, if at all. But that's not to say that she never gets in trouble and grounded...
  • Abusive Parents: Seen in spades. The parents ground their children for everything short of breathing, and often inflict physical maltreatment upon their kids, such as making them listen to loud music on speakers or forcing them to wear diapers past their infanthood. Some videos even have a kid getting grounded for simply existing or practically nothing.

    Complaining 
  • And There Was Much Rejoicing: Rarely is anyone shown being upset over a trouble-maker being grounded, arrested, or even killed in some way. Sometimes a video will show everyone celebrating the fact that the trouble-maker is out of their hair with parties and trips to Chuck E. Cheese's and the like. Tropes Are Not Good, however: the "(troublemaker) Gets Executed" videos take this trope up to levels that are beyond disturbing, as they present the characters as openly celebrating the death of a troublemaker (who is often a child) to the point where the news reports on it.

    Not an Example 
  • California Doubling: Grocery stores double as other stores such as Wal-Mart, GameStop and Best Buy, hamburger-type fast food restaurants double as all types of fast food restaurants and the fancy restaurant doubles as all other types of them (such as Olive Garden). This reads more like a case of reusing assets instead of pretending one real-life place is another.

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#2: May 1st 2023 at 8:52:53 AM

There's also the issue that Goanimate itself is troping a ton of disconnected works at once because the program itself isn't tropable. Goanimate the program should be listed under the Platform/ namespace once that becomes official (if it hasn't already, I can't quite remember).

Edited by badtothebaritone on May 1st 2023 at 10:53:17 AM

kablammin45 Maran the Brainy from Misty Brook (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Maran the Brainy
#3: May 3rd 2023 at 7:34:18 PM

Yeah, as someone who also used to regularly edit the page (I also found grounded videos a guilty pleasure for a time), I agree that the page has a lot of issues. Along with the parts SkylaNoivern pointed out, the Characters page feels honestly kinda bloated by this point IMO. There are a lot of recurring characters across grounded videos, yeah, but I'm not sure a lot of them warrant their own character entries.

"Hey, gimme a minute to get to know everyone, 'kay, Brainy?" "Of course, but please allow me to get a word in, too, bzz."
SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#4: May 4th 2023 at 7:40:43 AM

I was thinking of rewriting the description of the page to tone the complaining down.

    Rewrite 
GoAnimate, now known as "Vyond" as of its rebrand in May 2018 and formerly styled as Go!Animate, is a website that allows people to make their own animated videos, originally using Adobe Flash but now currently using the HTML5 standard.

The original goal of the service was to make animation free for anyone and this was incentivized by the community features on the site that were phased out between 2013 and 2016. Before 2015, users could either use the "Quick Video Maker", which offered several ready-made "animated shorts" (some of which are based on licensed properties) with the settings and actions already selected, a small cast of characters to choose from, and the ability for you to write dialogue, or the "Full Featured Video Maker", where you can start from scratch and select almost everything by yourself. During this period, it was used by some noted animation personalities such as Paul Dini, who used it to produce his web series Super Rica and Rashy.

GoAnimate/Vyond is best known for its "X Gets Grounded" videos, also simply known as "grounded videos". Primarily made by young kids, these videos detail the misadventures of various characters as they cause or get themselves into trouble in all manner of ways, followed by them getting busted and grounded (grounded grounded grounded grounded grounded grounded grounded) by their parents for absurd lengths of time. These videos are especially known for the troublemakers usually being characters from TV shows aimed at preschoolers, such as Caillou and Dora the Explorer, or simply individuals that the users hold contempt towards.

In late 2015, the company announced their shift to the new HTML5 standard in January 2016 and removed any video-making feature not centered around business. The other themes were immediately incompatible with HTML5, with the business theme rebuilt in the format for its business customers. The removal of these themes resulted in a backlash from users unfamiliar with the HTML5 standard, though the major decline of Adobe Flash and the growing importance of mobile devices that work with HTML5 meant GoAnimate had to do something to keep up with current trends. On May 6, 2018, the website was rebranded to Vyond, with a new focus on providing easy-to-use animations for businesses and other professional uses.

As of 2020, a group of coders in the fandom managed to successfully create a port of the old Legacy Video Maker named "Wrapper Offline", which doesn't require the internet to run and is a mostly-complete copy of the older assets.

You can find it here.

kablammin45 Maran the Brainy from Misty Brook (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Maran the Brainy
#5: May 4th 2023 at 8:42:48 AM

That looks good, yeah. It's also much shorter than the current description.

"Hey, gimme a minute to get to know everyone, 'kay, Brainy?" "Of course, but please allow me to get a word in, too, bzz."
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#6: May 5th 2023 at 6:15:06 PM

Part of wonders if this would be better on Long Term Projects because of how much splitting and moving is going to have to be done.

SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#7: May 10th 2023 at 3:10:20 PM

[up] I didn't consider that.

BocchiTheRock Since: May, 2023 Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
#8: May 10th 2023 at 10:36:54 PM

Yeah, Go Animate is also filled with tons of dead links due to videos/channels getting deleted over the years. A lot of the tropes (like tropes around the voices) I also feel don't fit since Goanimate wasn't the orgin of those voices, they are just widely used tts voices.

SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#9: May 12th 2023 at 8:55:56 AM

Out of curiosity, do I need to close the thread and open it up again in Long Term? Or can mods do that? I don't really use the forums.

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#10: May 12th 2023 at 9:02:48 AM

Mods can move the thread between subforums. No need to close the thread yourself.

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#11: May 12th 2023 at 9:34:55 AM

Received the holler. Works that center around cleaning up a specific work page are more suited for short-term, even if it takes a few months or a year — the 'end goal' (a clean work page) is clear.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 12th 2023 at 11:35:37 AM

SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#12: May 17th 2023 at 8:11:22 AM

I noticed there are tropes relating to "Rant videos", which from memory tended to get mocked by the fandom or outsiders. Issue is they're not really tropable - they're just videos consisting of opinions, rather than Caustic Critic style videos. I found a few mentions throughout the main tropes listed, most of which seem to be general and real-life troping.

    Main page examples 
  • Accentuate the Negative: The rant videos, which mostly cover only the negative qualities or simply what the user doesn't like about the subject. What sets the GoAnimate rant videos from normal criticism videos like this is that, most of the time, the user is being dead serious when they're using this trope in their rants (including their Fan Hater-charged remarks).
  • Malicious Misnaming:
    • The rants made with GoAnimate usually start with the user calling the subject of the rant a derogatory name, moslty in the form of: "(Subject)? More like (Derogatory name)!".
  • Take That!:
    • Users are known to regularly make rant videos disparaging shows or movies they don't like.

    Recycled Script page 
  • Most rant videos made with GoAnimate open with the uploader making fun of the name of the rant subject (usually a TV show)note , before proceeding to give an insulting "overview" of the subject, which is then followed by nitpicking the subject's flaws (e.g. "the characters are (insult)") without going in-depth on the subject itself. Afterwards, they state characters or people that supposedly like or hate the subject before dissing it (along with another thing they hate) one last time before proclaiming that another thing is much better than the subject. Lines like "(subject's characters, if it's a show or other fictional work) like to go on failure adventures", "nobody gives a (profanity) about this character... not two, three, four, either. Not even(absurd number)", and "Do you know who likes/hates this (format of subject)? (character)!" are pretty much status quo in them. The sheer fact that these rants boil down to "it sucks Because I Said So" combined with this trope in general make most GoAnimate rants Narm territory by default. The same also applies to the inverse salute videos.
    • If the subject of the rant is a show or other fictional work, there is a chance that the uploader will bash the creators or writers (in a style vaguely similar to The Mysterious Mr. Enter, who has been criticized for this) for doing something as simple as creating the work.
    • That's not even getting into the rant videos made out of these rants and salutes themselves. While it's understandable for these uploaders to hate the rants, most of the time they always use the same words or points without specifying their actual opinion at all.

kablammin45 Maran the Brainy from Misty Brook (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Maran the Brainy
#13: May 17th 2023 at 8:18:08 AM

Yeah, we can probably do without those examples. In retrospect adding examples like that feels kinda iffy.

"Hey, gimme a minute to get to know everyone, 'kay, Brainy?" "Of course, but please allow me to get a word in, too, bzz."
SkylaNoivern Since: Sep, 2016
#14: May 24th 2023 at 1:54:52 PM

I'll wait for more opinions first.

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