Old Magnificent Bastard thread
Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List
Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM
Cut Louis Moriarty.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Found this on YMMV.Carmen Sandiego under the 2019 series
- Magnificent Bastard: Player, Carmen's best friend and a white-hat hacker, is a Teen Genius who has provided invaluable technical assists Carmen in her capers against V.I.L.E. Described as the Red Team's secret weapon, he is a talented hacker who uses his skills to help Carmen, from deciphering the locations where V.I.L.E. will commit his robberies, to breaking security systems of countries around the world, Player has demonstrated he has a high proficiency in encryption breaking, hacking and data collection. Operating out of his "dark little cave", he is the only member of Team Red who never has to physically confront V.I.L.E. making his identity and affiliation with Carmen unknown to the criminal organization.
Was this approved? It’s not on any subpage and I couldn’t find any EP or previous discussion on it, but it’s written pretty well for an unapproved writeup.
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It’s been cut
Edited by LarryT on Mar 22nd 2024 at 1:30:25 AM
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Not the Eye
Nope, cut it.
Someone can EP if they want but I'm leery given it literally calls him a "white-hat" and his "bastard" credentials seem to amount to hacking into databases to tell where the bad guys will rob places.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Yeah, I’ve seen the series and I don’t think he does anything bastardly enough for this trope.
Edited by LarryT on Mar 22nd 2024 at 1:37:01 AM
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Not the Eye
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Kars and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Toru are merged back, so do what you will with that.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Hi! :3
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Redirects ?
Kars has the The Older Immortal potholed to his name on the YMMV, so that could be swapped in on the main page.
As for Toru, maybe Big Bad in lieu of anything better.
A nice swimmer
Toru has The Dog Was the Mastermind on ymmv, but i think Almighty Janitor fits better.
Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Mar 26th 2024 at 1:38:07 AM
Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
Jogo
FWI, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: La Squadra di Esecuzioni is now a thing and so I've added the page link as a pothole in Bruno's, Risetto's and Prosciutto's writeups. I also removed the Determinator pothole from Prosciutto's writeup since I feel the writeup would have too many potholes if we keep it and it's less "relevant" than the other potholes within the writeup.
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/Him
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Another: Kill La Kill - Satsuki Kiryuin is getting merged back.
Nui too.
Edited by ACW on Mar 27th 2024 at 7:35:22 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Not the Eye
Could I get more opinions on my proposed cut.
Goku Black
I also don't think louis counts either. He's just uh... Well there.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Woagh
YMMV.Sub Mariner lists an example, though I'm pretty sure it was added without consensus because the example is anemic in terms on context, and doesn't even list the character by name.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Forgot to say, but having finished watching Deca-Dence, Kaburagi as a whole really is just as much of a character as G described him and unlike CM, I can firmly and happily vouch that he matters. All of his action is on screen, nothing is distorted, he actually comes up with a lot of well thought out plans and completely inspires the cyborgs to rebel against the System. It's nice that at least MB actually makes a difference.
Edited by Ghal-Sur on Mar 28th 2024 at 12:47:20 PM
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
As I said on the CM cleanup, Evil Malthusian is a thing now.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Lies and Violence!
Cut Louis.
Jogo
Continuing a discussion from the cleanup thread:
A few days ago, I made an EP for the Juno Songs version of Magolor and it did mostly well in upvotes. However during the proposal, some concerns were brought up regarding the candidate that went mostly ignored (apologies for that btw, I was and still am busy with other stuff like school work). I did try to address the issues during the final few hours of the voting period upon being reminded of it (Thanks N!) but that also went ignored. So I've decided to continue the discussion to this thread to see if we think he still makes.
If we deem that those concerns are indeed issues that disqualify him and decide he isn't going up anymore, then I wouldn't mind it since I was unsure on him before I posted my EP primarily due to those issues and it could serve as a good learning experience for future EPs.
Furthermore, if that version of Magolor is deemed a non-qualifier, then I don't think he needs to be added to Former Magnificent Bastards due to the fact that he hasn't received a writeup or was added to a sandbox/YMMV page (I have one in my sandbox, but I want to discuss these concerns more before I post my writeup and add it to the drafts).
On an unrelated note, I was rereading the old cleanup thread and noticed that Echidna from Re:Zero's writeup wasn't actually written by Echidna himself but by 43110, who knew the work and wrote the entry due to it being on the pending list for too long. I ask if this is enough to re-instate the character due to the writeup being made by another person who did see the work even if the original EP was potentially plagiarized?
Edited by jlvs200s on Apr 1st 2024 at 1:02:29 PM
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/Him
Cut Louis, gonna have to go with a no/cut on Song!Malegor and I can vouch for Echidna keeping if her standing is in question.
Abstain on Magolor
Cut Louis Moriarty
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/Him