To-do list:
- Memetic Badass now disallows In-Universe examples. In-universe examples are to be moved to objective tropes (with the possible exception of reactions to a Show Within a Show), and Memetic Badass's description is to be clarified to reference the tropes the examples are being moved to. Progress is being tracked on Sandbox.Memetic Badass Wick Cleaning.
Beyond In-Universe usage, there are a ton of ZCEs (37%). Most are on trivia pages, but some that aren't could probably become In-Universe with the proper context. It would greatly benefit from cleanup, which I am told is a problem across all Badass tropes.
Out of 100 entries (contained within 75 wicks), I found:
- YMMV with Context 29%
- Good Non-YMMV 2%
- ZCE 37%
- In-Universe 26%
- Unsure 6%
In sum, I recommend this trope be cleaned up and maybe even split in two, one kept as audience reaction and the other catching In-Universe examples not fitting under Shrouded.
a/n: A month on, I worry I miscategorized stuff by forgetting to take the "for humor" into account but here we are. Though even if my categories were off, I still stand by my recommendations.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 28th 2022 at 12:37:55 PM
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Would the in-universe examples fall under Famed In-Story?
Just stoic wisdom.
Oh! I totally missed that trope. In some situations, it probably fits. Sometimes the person's only got a reputation among specific groups rather than "all the land" and/or is most definitely not a hero (feared as a killer instead), but that's a good one to keep in mind for in-universe examples, thank you.
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the Retromancer
Memetic Badass is not a trivia trope, correct the first sentence with "Audience Reactions trope".
I don't see a link to the wick check sandbox.
As YMMV, it should not have examples outside of YMMV/, and all In-Universe examples would suit the mentioned Famed In-Story and Shrouded in Myth.
If you propose only a cleanup, then it's not what TRS is for. If there are no other usggestions we can just start a Short-Term.
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Hi Amonimus, if I'm using TRS wrong, my bad. I'm sorry! For what it's worth, my wick check was potholed in the OP but can be accessed here: Sandbox.Memetic Badass Wick Check.
I'm just wondering about the in-universes that wouldn't fall in either category, ones for characters that are either decidedly not heroes/known as MB to only a specific group (either one taking them out of the running for Famed In-Story) or not hyped to tall-tale proportions (but Shrouded in Myth could end up being where most of the IU wicks go even despite that).
Edited by Yindee on Jun 21st 2022 at 11:26:16 AM
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the Retromancer
Reading wick checks are still useful because they tell what kind of issues to look for.
Still, TRS is for page actions and examples cleanup is not one of them because they are free to open. TRS can, however, explicitly forbid In-Universe examples for Memetic Badass because that would be a misuse of YMMV trope (invoked examples must be about characters reacting to Show Within a Show) and add a note to move examples elsewhere in the trope description.
While there's still time to looking through the wick check, if there are examples that wouldn't go to other tropes maybe there's some potential for a new one.
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Nor is it a trope at all.
I would only accept an example that claims to be in-universe if there is a Show Within a Show whose fandom makes memes that overpower a character in that show.
Professional Wick Checker
Move In-Universe examples to fitting tropes and clean up ZC Es. And ofc, ban In-Universe examples in this trope.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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This, and I'll add that I'd handle directing in-universe examples to other tropes by tweaking Memetic Badass's description to contain a "see also" section listing tropes in-universe examples can be listed under.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 21st 2022 at 6:19:22 AM
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I guess it's probably too narrow a scope to bother worrying about but I was wondering which of those two tropes the in-universes that were more like "feared badasses" than "revered badasses" would go under? Because "infamy" feels like a better description than "famed" for some of them...
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the Retromancer
There's also The Dreaded
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Ope okay so I think that's the trifecta to split the IU examples between, then!
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Are there enough options for a crowner, or no?
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If there are, it would be appreciated if someone could compile a list of options.
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- Disallow In-Universe examples and move them to fitting tropes
- Clean up examples
Would a cleanup thread work for option 2? Options not mutually exclusive
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Don't we already disallow In-Universe examples? I mean if there already exist tropes where we can put In-Universe examples, then our current policy is to disallow In-Universe examples.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Crowner hooked. I only really see the need to decide whether we're disallowing objective examples, since merely cleaning up examples isn't TRS-specific.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 24th 2022 at 10:47:00 AM
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I voted yes on the crowner. Disallowing In-Universe examples, moving existing ones to other tropes that they fit (should remove most Doctor Who section), and disallowing objective examples seem good to me. A few are about real people (Norris, Ditka)— where do they go?
Edited by PCD on Jun 25th 2022 at 9:50:40 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of forbidding in-universe examples and transplanting in-universe examples to another trope. The tweaks to the description shouldn't be hard to make.
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the Retromancer
Is there such a thing like "inverted In-Universe Examples Only" or there just aren't many tropes that can't be invoked?
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added a to-do list to the opening post and pinned it (at least I think I pinned it).
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Just stoic wisdom.
Would this fall under Splits or Cleanup on the Cleaning page?
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What about someone like Legate Lanius in Fallout: New Vegas, where Caesar's Legion deliberately plays up his fearsome reputation?
Keet cleanup
Crown Description:
Memetic Badass is an Audience Reaction, but it attracts In Universe examples and other non-YMMV examples that may be covered by existing objective tropes. What should be done?
To-do list:
Beyond In-Universe usage, there are a ton of ZCEs (37%). Most are on trivia pages, but some that aren't could probably become In-Universe with the proper context. It would greatly benefit from cleanup, which I am told is a problem across all Badass tropes.
Out of 100 entries (contained within 75 wicks), I found:
In sum, I recommend this trope be cleaned up and maybe even split in two, one kept as audience reaction and the other catching In-Universe examples not fitting under Shrouded.
a/n: A month on, I worry I miscategorized stuff by forgetting to take the "for humor" into account but here we are. Though even if my categories were off, I still stand by my recommendations.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 28th 2022 at 12:37:55 PM
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