The Moron
The first one makes sense to me - not a fan of general character pages that don’t have links - but lemme double check the bytes on those just to double check that nothing will become too long
I don’t think any reorganization of the Cosmic page is necessary right now. Gorr might end up moving pages once the movie comes out, but I don’t see a real reason to separate the threats from everyone else right now.
The last one makes sense on paper, but again, let me just check the byte length to see if the pages are long enough to stay.
The Moron
Okay, byte counts:
MCU: S.H.I.E.L.D. is at 17,400, while MCU: S.H.I.E.L.D. – Leadership is at 107,000, so that move is 100% good to go. MCU: HYDRA is 24,000, while MCU: HYDRA – Leadership is at 192,000. That one's a lot closer, but it can also take the move, so I guess lets do that too.
Runaways is at 58,000 which is enough to keep, but Chaste is at 23,000, so it needs to go. In my opinion, rather than combine the Runaways and the Chaste, it makes more sense to move them to MCU: Other Superheroes; it's at 173,000, which gives it just enough room to take the extra load, and they can still be grouped together on that page - it also means that when Other Superheroes inevitably gets too big, there's one more potential group that can be separated from it to lessen the load.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 12th 2022 at 10:52:59 AM
Regarding the "Cosmic Threats", personally I always thought that MCU: The Ravagers should be added since they are Space Pirates and thus a criminal organization. Especially since Yondu and Kraglin, the two most heroic members, are already on the Guardians of the Galaxy page, and the rest of the page consists mostly of Taserface's clan, who are unambiguously villains, and Stakar's clan, who announced in their last appearance that they were going to commit some robberies.
The Formatter
I don’t think the chaste should be added to other superheroes. They aren’t exactly heroic. More grey to the hands black. Maybe add them to the Kun Lun section under dimensions?
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Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Feel like this is a short-term thing, but oh well.
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The Formatter
Well I mean the project will probably keep going until the MCU dies, and with that gravy train a flowin I dont see that happening any time soon. So this thread can be for all MCU character discussions.
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Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
I mean, we don't do work-specific projects in long term anyway.
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(she/her)
Moved the thread to short term because that's where work specific project usually go.
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The Moron
I'm also okay with moving the Chaste to Dimensions - it's at 113,000, so it can easily take the load, and I don't know enough about them to come up with a better idea.
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If that'll work too, I'm also down for that - like I said, I don't know enough about them
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 13th 2022 at 12:10:34 PM
Are the members of the Chaste really from another dimension? (I haven't watched much of the Netflix shows so I have no idea...) Adding them to the MCU: Defenders and Allies page isn't an option?
The Formatter
Well they are associated with K’un Lun atleast.
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Reposting this from the main MCU cleanup
I am primarily concerned about supporting characters and how difficult it is to navigate to them from the work pages. MCU: United States Citizens and its subpages for example are only useful from a lore POV and not at all from an organization POV, as they just cramming together supporting casts of like twenty different works who have nothing to do with each other otherwise. Christine Palmer and Jack Denton only have a Continuity Nod (that they work at the same hospital) tying them together. Katy Chen and Cassie Lang have only a city. The fact that MCU: Citizens - Westview and similar pages are already split away shows that there's a desire to keep show-specific characters together.
I think there's a way to keep the major players "franchised" while making sure their supporting casts are organized in a way that makes sense, but before I expend brainpower on coming up with a plan for that, I wanted to hear this thread's thoughts.
I'm just annoyed that if I want to trope the supporting cast of, say, Ms. Marvel (2022) I have to trudge through all these randos. What do other people think?
Agreed, since they aren't necessarily organized in an accessible way. A lot of it is by location or organization, which isn't necessarily intuitive to all MCU entries (especially since that can change from work to work).
Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 17th 2022 at 1:20:18 PM
The Moron
I’m 100% down for that, but it’s such a massive undertaking that I barely even know where to start. Even just making MCU: Avengers – Allies was a surprising amount of headache.
The Formatter
I strongly disagree. Part of why enjoy the characters pages is because it’s a whole world. I like being able to go through the world and explore different sections of it, including characters. Splitting everyone off into section would in my view would destroy one of my favourite things about the MCU tvtropes section.
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That's only helpful if you are an MCU completionist though. I am not a "casual reader", but I did not watch most of the TV shows and could care less about half the characters on MCU: Citizens – New York City ... so imagine the confusion a "casual reader" might feel. And the MCU: Other Superheroes page is awkward, all these Phase 4 main characters who have nothing to do with each other just kind of shoved there on the fandom assumption that we maybe might get New Avengers or Young Avengers in some form. They're not even sorted by location: Kate Bishop is on the opposite side of the country Shang-Chi. Putting Shang-Chi next to Katy and Kate Bishop next to Eleanor/Jack makes much more sense than that.
To start I think we could group supporting casts by character (eg. Characters.MCU Ant Man Supporting Cast - the Langs, the Pyms, Luis et al, Yellowjacket, Ghost; Characters.MCU Moon Knight Supporting Cast - Layla, Harrow, etc),
Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 17th 2022 at 1:06:57 PM
The Moron
The Avengers Allies page was effectively created to consolidate major friendly supporting characters, but I could also see some kind of MCU Big Bads for the main supervillains of each film/series. Plenty of them have their own pages anyway, so it could also serve as a bit of a better index
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 17th 2022 at 2:13:08 PM
I understand the problem, I didn't watch all the TV shows either and it's sometimes hard for me to find the characters I'm interested in in the pages filled to the brim with minor TV characters. However, I think the ideal solution would not be to separate the characters, but rather to reorganize the pages so that the various characters are easier to find, for example by placing the most important characters at the top of the pages, and to list the characters from the movies first and then those from the TV shows, etc..
The Formatter
Should Kamran be moved from MCU: United States Citizens to MCU: Dimensions? Also did I need to ask about this or could I have just done this? I'm getting really tired or getting berated for doing things.
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His profile says he's a hybrid, so his folder can be wherever his birthplace is.
The Moron
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Truly don't know why you felt the need to add that second sentence, but sure, from what I see on his character page, that move makes sense.
The Formatter
Sorry. I'm still a little sore and angry, I'm trying here but sometimes seething sarcasm/rage my slip through. I'll work on not letting my emotions slip through. I'll move it though.
Edited by GateStarX on Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:51:27 AM
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I was thinking we could probably merge MCU: Deities and MCU: Dimensions together, since they're all otherworldly beings.
Also, a few of the characters in MCU: Dimensions such as Kaecilius are of human origin and are either heroes or villains, so maybe we could move them to more appropriate pages?
The Formatter
Well when I separated MCU: Others I had three trains of thought.
- MCU: Multiverse is for alternate universes.
- MCU: Dimensions is for other dimensions or planes of existence.
- MCU: Deities is for Gods based on the various pantheons that exist in real life or fictitious pantheons.
Created by necessity, this is where we'll discuss how to organise the increasingly page-heavy MCU character index.
To get the ball rolling, I'd like to raise a few points that may be of interest: