Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Are we ready for a crowner? I can't think of any options other than the ones listed here
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Very Spooky
Just a question: do we always include a “do nothing” option on TRS crowners for the sake of having one, even if almost nobody holds said opinion on what should be done with a trope?
Aside from that, I think the proposed crowner options are fine.
Edited by jandn2014 on Nov 30th 2021 at 8:47:00 AM
back lol
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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Doing nothing is the default, and Septimus previously said that it's unnecessary since downvoting everything is equivalent to voting to do nothing.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Anyway, the crowner's been made. I'll advertise it on ATT.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Votes bump. The split is strongly in the green: 26 (Yeas:27 Nays:1)
Given that it's been 3 days since the crowner was posted and there's an overwhelmingly preferred choice, can it be called?
Edited by amathieu13 on Dec 3rd 2021 at 11:29:52 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
It most certainly can.
Calling in favor of making new tropes for the associations between baldness/toughness, baldness/sickness, baldness/mysticism and disambiguating Bald Women.
Nice. I had the mystical draft sitting in my sandbox, so it's up now. The sick one has been slower to form, but I'm working on it. Paging ~amathieu13 to see if they're still interested in "toughness".
Cleanup can proceed regardless so long as valid examples of these three tropes are stored somewhere.
^Yes, I can draft a bald is tough one!
Sickness draft also up.
I'd also like opinions on the mystical draft here. Someone suggested limiting to enlightened types (monks, priests, and characters influenced by them) which I think is a very solid thread, but that would leave many of the bald alien/witch examples in the lurch.
I'm also cutlisting the subpages. Haiku and Quotes didn't have stuff worth transplanting, but I'm saving the Playing With/ markup here in case some of it can be used for one of the drafts post-launch.
- Straight: Alice is bald, marking her as an extraordinary person.
- Exaggerated: Alice has no hair whatsoever in her whole body... and she's the strongest character of the story, bar none.
- Downplayed:
- Though bald, Alice wears a wig most of the time and rarely takes it off.
- Alice shaves her head, but there's enough stubble that she isn't completely bald.
- Justified:
- Alice just enjoys being a bald woman.
- After losing a battle, Alice decides to become stronger to defeat her enemies. To represent this determination, she shaves her head until not a single hair remains.
- Alice is a militar and shaves her head so her hair doesn't become a nuisance in the battlefield.
- Alice has Alopecia totalis, a medical condition that results in her baldness.
- Alice is a Human Alien; Baldness is natural for her.
- Alice is a Buddhist nun, which requires that she have no hair.
- Alice has been battling cancer and has undergone several bouts of chemotherapy.
- Alice shaved her head to give emotional support to a friend who has undergone chemotherapy.
- In Alice's culture, it's normal/expected for women to have shaven heads, especially under certain circumstances like mourning or jail time.
- Alice has been shaven as a form of punishment, or has done it herself to atone for a misdeed.
- Inverted: Rapunzel Hair
- Subverted:
- Alice is really wearing a bald cap.
- Our heroine loses all her hair. Then it turns out she was just having a nightmare.
- After the shave, Alice becomes depressed as she considers her hair part of her identity.
- Alice is bald but a total girly girl who looks otherwise classically feminine.
- Double Subverted:
- Unfortunately, there was a malfunction with the bald cap, resulting in Alice going bald anyways.
- Eventually, Alice comes to terms with her baldness and considers it beautiful.
- Alice might be a bald girly girl, a Proper Lady, even, but she's no pushover, turning out to be Silk Hiding Steel when push comes to shove.
- Parodied: All Alice has to do to have everyone submit to her or stand in absolute awe is to display her shaven head. And it glitters!
- Zig Zagged: Because the female character always wears a hat or wigs, it's unknown if she's bald or not.
- Averted: Alice has hair or nobody remarks on her being bald, nor does it mean anything about her level of power.
- Enforced:
- The writer wishes to show the frailty of a female character, as well as her inner strength. So the author makes her bald.
- The author invokes Bald of Evil for his villainess.
- In order to create a sense of weirdness, the director adds a few bald women for his film.
- Nothing gets more attention for an ad than a bald lady.
- Lampshaded: "Let me guess Alice: you are in charge here right?"
- Invoked:
- Alice is a short-sized and dainty woman whose job requires her to wield authority and discipline and be credible about it. She shaves her hair to look unusual and tough.
- Alice is a Combat Pragmatist, and removes her hair (possibly permanently) to prevent potential enemy fighters to grab them during a fight.
- Exploited: Because of a law declaring those with The Plague be shorn, Alice uses her baldness to scare off would-be attackers.
- Defied: Joining the military and arriving in boot camp, Alice assumes that they're going to shave her head. The barber explains that not only is its against regulations, but there's a minimum hair length all troopers are required to have.
- Discussed: "Why did you shave your hair Alice?" "Practicality. Long hair takes too long to groom properly and I'm too busy to spend that many hours brushing my hair."
- Conversed: "This game's character customization sucks. It doesn't even allow a 'bald' option for chicks."
- Deconstructed:
- Alice shaves her head to impress and shock her would-be dissenters but she has little skill to back up her appearance and it's not long before everyone can see through her scheme, huffing at such a weak attempt at hiding her incompetence.
- Because other women see that Alice inspires more deference than the usual Condescending Compassion, they start copying her hairstyle, to the point where it becomes a trend and, like all trends, it eventually dies out and makes the shock value irrelevant.
- Reconstructed:
- Alice eventually gets more experienced and competent but keeps her hair shorn as a marker that she has been willing to go through a Training from Hell to become what she is now.
- Because most women still prefer their long hair to a shaven head, the trend never takes off. Alice and a few select women remain with the hairstyle and keep on using it, thus keeping its otherworldliness and appearance of toughness to full efficiency.
- Played For Laughs:
- In order to gain respect from her peers, Alice shaves her head. Instead her peers jest about how silly she now looks, or get distracted by her shiny scalp.
- Gag Haircut / Hairstyle Malfunction
- Played For Drama:
- Our heroine receives a Traumatic Haircut, which leaves her totally bald. She suffers a Heroic BSoD as a result, and is shunned by society, her friends, and family. She becomes increasingly isolated and sad.
- Baldness is a sign that something is seriously wrong with the heroine.
Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 6th 2021 at 5:28:00 AM
The Bald Head of Toughness proposal is in very good shape and comments/feedback has slowed, so I'm going to set a launch date for the 11th to get this thread moving along
Trope has been launched
Great. I suppose we can't really enact the disambiguation until mine are out of TLP (they are in pretty good shape and can probably be launched sometime within the next week), but dewicking can proceed as long as valid examples are shunted there.
Ok will begin looking through Bald Women for any examples that can fit this new trope
- "Erasure" you say... Dost thou not knoweth the definition and purpose of a disambiguation?
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In other news, sub-900 wicks, and at least Bald of Evil is being double listed, on the main and the redirect. I'd lay good bets that we're actually sub-850?
Goodnight.
Edited by Malady on Dec 11th 2021 at 10:02:52 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Yep, I knew this would happen, considering how attached the troper was to this page- their posts made that clear.
TBH, I do think there is merit in the idea of baldness in women being seen as unattractive as a trope, but I was outvoted, so I don’t think it will be made anytime soon.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Cool, bye.
Bald Head of Toughness explicitly notes there is a gendered aspect to its portrayal. The 2nd to last paragraph directly mentions that women being bald is a distinct thing because of the way the trope interacts with ideas of femininity. So if your main issue is "the gender analysis intention of Bald Women has been erased", you are wrong
Personally, I have zero sympathy towards this doomsaying kind of argument that is filled to the brim with false accusations about the very explicit and transparent process of discussing this trope that also proposes zero solutions to the clearly identified issues with the trope.
If a trope that focuses on women and baldness is something you'd like, put in the time and effort to bring it to the TLP with a definition that isn't just "women are bald for a variety of reasons". That's People Sit on Chairs (something that was painstakingly explained to you by Synchronicity 3 weeks ago) and Bald Women isn't the first or the last trope to be disambig-ed or changed because its definition was vague
Edited by amathieu13 on Dec 12th 2021 at 7:20:28 AM
- "Tough" vs. "pretty" might be a auto-contrast since Women Are Delicate, but a split might be worth it??
That is explicitly outlined in the description of Bald Head of Toughness already.
But if you are suggesting a subtrope to Bald Head of Toughness, that'd be for the TLP, not this thread.
I think I got all of the examples on the Bald Women page that also fit Bald Head of Toughness. There's a lot of ZCE tho, so I may have missed one
Baldness Means Sickness is set for a weekend launch, so I turned the page into a disambiguation. Feel free to edit the blurbs.
Ok. We should start dewicking Bald Woman then. Bald Woman has a little over 1200 wicks, 357 coming from Bald Woman and 844 coming from Bald Women
Crown Description:
What should be done with Bald Women?
Yea, it would be like [checks recent disambig] Win The Crowd. Unless you were thinking that they would be one trope with those subtypes?