Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
While Connor's page is 52K bytes, the page he's split from is only 38K bytes. Easy merge, right?
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The Draftsman of Doom
I keep forgetting to merge Ronno's page like I said I would. Just merged them now.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 8th 2024 at 8:28:52 AM
Rawr.
Hi! :3
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Now you need to do a redirect
The Draftsman of Doom
Redirected.
Rawr.
Hi! :3
4x Easy Merge
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agreed
low-poly Shinri
Animu
It's a nice compression of many CSP! Go ahead!
low-poly Shinri
I'll do it tomorrow since it is late where I live.
Just gonna let you know that both Luz Noceda and Amity Blight have their respective CSP's split between three pages for Luz (#-C, D-G, H-M, N-S, and T-Z) and three pages for Amity (A-F, F-O, and P-Y. Given this was created today, I could guarantee that this was never discussed, let alone approved, and I am suggesting to have them merged back. Also, maybe we would have to proof-check Luz and Amity's pages and see where we would need to trim and condense her paragraphs, especially regarding the former as she has paragraphs and flavour texts which are almost as bloated and overstuffed as Belos's.
I'm sorry if I go on a tangent, but why is it that The Owl House happens to be one of the most frustrating works to deal with when it comes to handling their character pages? It's almost like anytime I pass by TOH, there's something far too big going on in their character page and it's too noticeable to not just ignore.
Edited by CrimsonShark on Apr 9th 2024 at 11:13:46 AM
"O, Death... become my Blade, Once More"
If it wasn’t discussed, merge back is probably the best plan. Also, maybe invite whoever did it to visit here and we can advise on trimming these pages down - there’s way too much bloat.
Seconded.
Hi! :3
Agreed. As I said before we need to do a cleanup before considering to split their pages.
Freeza and All for One page also had this issue.
low-poly Shinri
Finally finished the merger for the Three Houses pages.
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The Draftsman of Doom
Can we change Characters.Batman The Character to Characters.Batman Bruce Wayne considering that Characters.Azrael, Characters.Robin Damian Wayne, Characters.Nightwing Dick Grayson have taken the mantle of Batman as well?
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Thanks for reminding me.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 10th 2024 at 6:13:16 AM
Rawr.
He/Him
Yeah, that could work
The Formatter
I did propose a while back to make everything DC use the DC Comics sub-heading e.g. Characters.DC Comics Batman, but until that's implemented, I say yes to Characters.Batman Bruce Wayne. Also just because I'm pedantic you forgot Jace Fox as Batman.
I'd also suggest the following moves on top of that:
- Characters.Harley Quinn The Character to Characters.Harley Quinn Harleen Quinzel
- Characters.Superman The Character to either Characters.Superman Clark Kent or Characters.Superman Kal El
- Characters.Wonder Woman The Character to Characters.Wonder Woman Diana, Characters.Wonder Woman Diana Of Themyscira, or Characters.Wonder Woman Diana Prince
Edited by GateStarX on Apr 9th 2024 at 8:39:52 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
He/Him
For Supes, I'd go with Clark Kent, because despite his birth name Kal-El, he basically grew up being known as Clark. And besides, the layman knows his non-superhero name as Clark, not Kal-El.
For Wonder Woman, go with Diana of Themyscira. She did grow up a lot by that title and only developed the Diana Prince alter-ego a little later. So a different situation from Clark.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Apr 9th 2024 at 11:49:48 PM
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The Formatter
Do we want to go with the full regalia title for Wonder Woman? cause there's four options for her:
- Characters.Wonder Woman Diana
- Characters.Wonder Woman Diana Of Themyscira
- Characters.Wonder Woman Princess Diana
- Characters.Wonder Woman Princess Diana Of Themyscira
I'm leaning towards 2 myself.
Edited by GateStarX on Apr 9th 2024 at 9:09:18 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Diana of Themyscira is my preference
He/Him
Restating it, but yeah, I second that choice.
- Stranger Things: Main Cast (180,293 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Steve Harrington (46,496 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Robin Buckley (43,208 bytes)
- Stranger Things: The Party (120,805 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Eleven (60,758 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Supporting Cast (90,963 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Hawkins (109,781 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Hawkins National Laboratory (52,903 bytes)
- Stranger Things: The Upside Down (44,085 bytes)
- Stranger Things: The Mind Flayer (41,879 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Vecna (78,342 bytes)
- Stranger Things: Outsiders (53,888 bytes)
If we make a separate page for all the teens from the Main Characters Page we can merge back Steve and Robin. Not sure if Erica should move with them or stay put.
Maybe keep Eleven separate until the next season comes out since she could easily tip the page past its capacity.
Supporting Cast could be divided between Hawkins and Outsiders without causing too much trouble.
The Mind Flayer and Vecna can be safely merged back with the Upside Down.
all sounds good (having pages for The Adults, The Teenagers, and merging back the Upside Down) — my only suggestion would be that Eleven merging into the Party takes it to 180k, so that's still plenty of room for natural inflation. (Also, I don't think we should set a precedent for not taking action to account for future page growth, as that stalls this process).
Edited by lexii on Apr 10th 2024 at 9:56:03 AM
The Formatter
Batman's taken care of. I moved the page over to Batman: Bruce Wayne and turned Batman (The Character) into a disambiguation page. If no one else gets to them, I'll get to Superman and Wonder Woman later, unless anyone else has input on the names.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Does anybody have more input on the Miraculous Ladybug merges suggested
here?
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