Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fair enough. We okay with keeping Cap moved?
(We should probably wait on DC too.)
Edited by ACW on Mar 7th 2024 at 4:05:23 AM
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Bill Cipher's character page has around 88k bytes while his parent page has about 63k bytes if we don't includes him. I think that he can safely be merged back?
The Ultimate Lifeform
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Sounds good. I swear I don't mean to offput my work on someone else, but I genuinely don't have the time to do what I posited here, and here, and I would really appreciate someone taking it up!
he/him
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Where we have multiple cleanups looking at the same characters, it makes sense to coordinate the changes and minimise any duplication / contradiction.
Otherwise one of those cleanups is going to waste a lot of time and effort.
Hi! :3
Just a reminder, that if we're going to add a CSP on Cut List we need to clean up the wicks to avoid Red Links.
Really sad for this new policy, but I understand the necessity of this.
Edited by StalkerGamer on Mar 7th 2024 at 8:52:02 AM
Good reminder — thank you
- yes, that works
Edited by lexii on Mar 7th 2024 at 12:02:29 PM
Hi! :3
Street Fighter CSP's has some wicks to be cleaned up, like M. Bison (CM and MB pages need to be discussed on Locked pages thread)
he/him
Pinned post updated.
The original text of the post is still there in a folder.
Any feedback or amendments we want to make?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Once the pages are merged, I'll take care of the CM stuff. Don't forget, say, Video Games.
Redirects are probably better than cutting in many cases.
Had it really gotten that bad?
Edited by ACW on Mar 7th 2024 at 9:37:06 AM
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Hi! :3
I'll keep that in mind
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Like, The Legend of Zelda: The Triforce Wielders only has 3 characters, so I'm keeping the Ganondorf potholes, which'll redirect.
Same for Bill Cipher (I put those back; it's a redirect, but the page it redirects to has few enough characters I think it's fine).
Edited by ACW on Mar 7th 2024 at 10:07:08 AM
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Hi! :3
Oh, I get it now. Yeah, I like this pothole idea.
Edited by StalkerGamer on Mar 7th 2024 at 12:16:59 PM
The Draftsman of Doom
I'll handle Ronno when I have free time, unless someone wants to beat me to that punch.
Rawr.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Like, if the page it gets merged back to has, say, double-digit characters, that's one thing. But for cases like this where it's 6? I think we're good.
Fist of the North Star: Kenshiro has over 51K; Fist of the North Star: Main Characters has under 27K. That can probably be safely merged back. Potholes can stay (they just need to be removed from the other character pages so they don't show up at the top of the page).
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Hi! :3
Merge Kenshiro with the page
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
And done. That was, thankfully, a relatively easy one.
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Goku Black
What do we want to do to adventure time. Lich and Ice King are at least okay due to having multiple incarnations of a character.
But Adventure Time: Finn (63,000) and Adventure Time: Princess Bubblegum (51,000) can be merged back to Adventure Time: Main (67,000)
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
If there's multiple incarnations, are we less stringent?
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he/him
Just reviewing the cutlist:
- Street Fighter: Dan Hibiki is at 985 inbounds
- Street Fighter: Ryu is 1572
- Street Fighter: M. Bison is 1484
There's also been an admin/mod discussion this week suggesting that we may be under-counting some of these due to a glitch.
With all of that in mind, do we want to keep former CSP pages like these as redirects instead of cutting? That also keeps the edit history, which may be of use.
(Mods can access it either way, though)
Views?
Goku Black
Let's redirect. It will make it easier when these do get pages later.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Hey - so would these redirect to the parent pages? If so sounds good
For Street Fighter merged characters, I’ve changed all on-site links except CM / MB as they’re locked (for me 
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Edited by lexii on Mar 7th 2024 at 6:25:01 PM
the Retromancer
I think we in general should keep redirects if possible, unless the inbound count is negligible. Alongside preserving inbounds, they help the search engine and also handle any missed or future wicks.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Turning some of the character specific pages into redirects would allow us to keep the inbound links, since several character specific pages have a large amout of them, so I approve of Mrph's suggestion.
Edited by jlvs200s on Mar 7th 2024 at 7:36:09 PM
"Kenny isn't evil, he just did a little too much trolling. :p" | He/Him
Hi! :3
I vote for Mrph's suggestion. Is it possible to revive the already cut CSP pages to use as redirects too ?
Edited by StalkerGamer on Mar 7th 2024 at 3:59:42 PM
So I was asleep when Captain America got merged. I’d like to table all of the Marvel moves until the end at least so more concrete discussion can be done. Because there are other cleanups that these new rules are interfering with and need to be sorted out first.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!