Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Yes, those should all be cut. She should still be large enough for her own page though.
I know it's a fairly large task to tackle, removing stat blocks from all the character folders. We have a new Cleaning Up Lengthy Character Descriptions thread that can help if you need help, or just want to add the pages to the list.
Shocking Gun!
Also of note about Baobhan Sith is that she does have a second playable version of her with Cait Cu Cernpriestess in Characters.Fate Grand Order Pretenders that should go into the character-specific page if you're going to create a page for her.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Me as a Merman
If that was the case, then shouldn't Aesc's folder be moved to Morgan's page?
Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde
Okay, it seems that the sandbox page for My Hero Academia - All For One is still being added with more bloated paragraphs. I am recommending that we place a disclaimer on top of the page specifically noting that the page is meant to reduce, trim down, and streamline the existing paragraphs he already has, as I believe we need to be more explicit about why said sandbox exists in the first place. Would something like this do?
This sandbox page was made in response to the main character page already being too large. The main intent here is to cut down and streamline his existing paragraphs and not add new ones.
Edited by CrimsonShark on Oct 27th 2023 at 6:24:25 PM
"Money is the goddamn plan! Have some faith, y'all!"
"The Juice is Loose."
"The Juice is Loose."
So Sandbox.Gotham Jerome Valeska (57,157 bytes) and Sandbox.Gotham Jeremiah Valeska (41,865 bytes) both are big enough now for their own pages but that means getting rid of Gotham - The Valeska Twins page.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Personally, I'm fine keeping them together.
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The Draftsman of Doom
Re: Valeska, I support a split if the page is too big otherwise.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Bette Kane officionado
So I wish to split up the current Green Arrow (The Character) into a normal standard disambiguation page and maybe adding the temporary mantles of Green Arrow such as John Diggle in Green Arrow (Jeff Lemire) #32 and letting the section for Oliver Queen become a specific page (54,990 bytes out of 69,035 bytes). Should I go ahead with splitting it up or should it be kept as it is?
Teen Titans: Original Teen Titans | Batgirl Bette Kane | Teen Titans
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/MyHeroAcademiaAllForOne
Ok, the All For One sandbox has been edited and entires trimmed down. it is possible to add this into the main character page and remove the editing lock on it now? or do we ask elsewhere for that?
Goku Black
How many bytes is it ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I'm not actually sure where to check the byte count on the page - I know i've trimmed it down a lot from what it was, but i don't know where the exact numbers are.
小柏 カイ
Use this site to check the byte count. Go to the Page Source and copy everything and paste it in the counter.
As for AFO, he is currently at 251,250 bytes.
Over 900 years, he shall recover his heartbeat. Over 90 years, he shall recover his intellect. Over 9 years, he shall recover his power.
the Retromancer
Notepad++ or any online tool
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 31st 2023 at 10:16:20 PM
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Goku Black
Okay 250,000 is still way too long. That like the size of trope pages when we normally split.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"The Juice is Loose."
Some of entries still seem too long to me.
Also, I am going to leave The Valeska Twins together for the time being. Splitting seems unnecessary right now.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 1st 2023 at 9:39:53 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, with Valeskas, they're each big enough for a separate page, but combined it's nowhere near too big. Not even at 100k yet.
EDIT: Was Mortal Kombat – Quan Chi officially approved, with Shinnok's entries added back to Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero? If so, I need to make some changes to the MK CM page, but I wanna make sure it's official before I make said changes.
EDIT 2: Looks like some Marvel characters pages titles were changed. Among others:
- The Punisher: Frank Castle -> Marvel Comics: Frank Castle
- Daredevil: Matt Murdock -> Marvel Comics: Matt Murdock
- Venom: Eddie Brock -> Marvel Comics: Eddie Brock
- Carnage - Cletus Kasady -> Marvel Comics: Cletus Kasady
- Spider-Man: Peter Parker -> Marvel Comics: Peter Parker
Though the new pages aren't indexed, and I'm not sure where the Marvel index is. I've made the changes at the main character-specific pages...page.
Edited by ACW on Nov 3rd 2023 at 3:40:31 PM
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Mr
Hi, I created All For Luz - Luz Noceda page, it has 41,457 characters, totaling 41,535 bytes meeting the requirements and takes up most of the page Characters - All For Luz.
For peer review.
Hey guys.
"The Juice is Loose."
No that was not approved. Ask the person who did it to come here.
Mr
I created it.
Who do I ask for approval?
Edited by Monstrel on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:44:52 AM
Hey guys.
"The Juice is Loose."
Here. I was responding to ACW to be clear. I think yours is a good to go.
I remember people saying that Shinnok made Mythologies page to big. Is that still the case?
Edited by Bullman on Nov 3rd 2023 at 6:50:29 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Mr
Ah okay. Thanks for the clarification.
BTW the do you think it be okay to use the profile image from The Owl House - Luz Noceda for All For Luz - Luz Noceda?
Edited by Monstrel on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:57:37 AM
Hey guys.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Bullman, can you please index the Marvel stuff?
As for Quan Chi, pinging ~Corvus IX
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"The Juice is Loose."
ACW: I will once I get my new computer.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
So, should the paragraph regarding her gameplay within the character description should be cut? What about the Rarity/ID/Commands Cards/Etc. stuff, as that is within the description of every playable FGO character's profile?
BTW, please call me Jake.