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The Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions needs some coordination and cleanup.
It seems like this particular comparison should include Direct Line to the Author (since it... kind of already does), but TropeDistinctions.D To F already has "Direct Line to the Author vs. Literary Agent Hypothesis vs. Recursive Canon vs. A True Story in My Universe", and I am definitely not combining all of these together.
So my next thought was to split out "Direct Line to the Author vs. Literary Agent Hypothesis" from both of these but then that involves... so much rearranging and frankly I just need to make sure I understand the core of these comparisons before doing this much.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Sep 3rd 2020 at 8:13:16 AM
One thing that has always made navigating this list difficult for me is, how do I know which trope gets to appear first, thus designating the page the tropes are listed on? It's too confusing and we could use a better way of organizing them- or at least an easier way to figure out how they're organized.
The first trope in a comparison should be the alphabetically first one. That's mentioned on the main page, though admittedly not too prominently.
That said, if someone sees "B vs C" and thinks "ooh, that comparison needs an A", they might unthinkingly turn it into "B vs C vs A".
I guess that makes sense, but it should probably be more prominent, as I've personally never realized that.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Sep 23rd 2020 at 2:03:50 AM
Yeah, I always assumed Chekhov's Gag was a joke that turned out to be a Chekhov's Gun, while Brick Joke was any joke that's called back to later in the story.
Groin Attack and Crippling Castration really need clarifications.
The former has numerous examples that belong in the latter.
For example, Cronos castrating his father Ouranos mentioned in GroinAttack.Myths And Religion belongs in Crippling Castration since it's obviously not funny and is permanent. The same can be said for all Played for Drama examples.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 23rd 2020 at 12:42:34 PM
Before I update Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions, should there be a difference between these tropes added:
Add Schrödinger's Canon there too
I remembered somebody argued that Schrödinger's Canon and Loose Canon's titles fit better for each other
Should Reality Ensues and Deconstruction be added to the list? An entire TRS and a cleanup thread were opened to address the confusion between then.
TBH, I still have literally no idea what Deconstruction actually means. I've never had it explained to me and everyone seems to think of it differently.
Using Deconstruction's page image, it's isolating a trope from its related tropes and seeing what happens if ran in Real Life.
Amusing Injuries remove expectation of Cartoon Physics, to result in devestating head injuries.
While Reality Ensues would be if Cartoon Physics still applied, so there's no damage, and it's used as an example of Nigh-Invulnerability or something?
Then again, Reality Ensues is under repair...
Edited by Malady on Oct 14th 2020 at 5:40:53 AM
No, Reality Ensues is meant to show the real-life consequences of unrealistic tropes. That image seems to also be RE because it shows what would happen in reality.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 14th 2020 at 8:42:14 AM
A good explanation on the difference between Reality Ensues and Deconstruction was said in the former’s TRS thread. Basically, the main difference between the two is that the former unexpectedly subverts a trope when it seems like it’ll be Played Straight, while the latter initially plays the trope straight, but examines the realistic consequences of the trope being used.
Here are some examples that were brought up in the thread, both for Pooled Funds:
Deconstruction is more general and doesn't have to be deconstructing a single trope.
How should this be written?:
This isn't the full thing, just ideas for a starting point.
So, Setting Up Relationships had 1 vote to talk about this here...
Not sure what's fit for this thread vs. that one, but ok...
They describe each other on their pages...
But I'd think Prophetic's description of Perhero is better than Perhero's description of itself?
Focusing on powers only, instead of expanding to roles.
Like future killers named Killer are prophetic but not superheroic.
Is this just for suggesting new distinctions and stuff?
If so, maybe add Meaningful Name into it? ... Gonna check if that's already been done...
Should we have an index of all tropes that have been distincted, so we don't have to search through 4 pages to see? ... Then again, it's only 4 pages, and Laconic should be used as the guide...
Edited by Malady on Oct 21st 2020 at 5:57:29 AM
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