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The trope is about machines trying to kill people simply because they are malfunctioning.
An enormous numbers of example are written under the assumption that the trope is characters chanting the acts of violence they intend to commit, even if they aren't malfunctioning or machines at all.
The name should convey what the character is doing and why, not just what they might be saying at the time. Something like "Malfunctioning Means Murderous".
Bump, and I agree that a more clear name would be nice.
Murderous Malfunctioning Machine
Beyond that, I'm not clear on how Kill All Humans and Mechanical Monster are supposed to be different from this trope.
Then maybe we should cut it or redirect it to Kill All Humans or Mechanical Monster.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 13th 2019 at 2:41:02 PM
Made a crowner.
I'm not sure Mechanical Monster is it at all.
Crush. Kill. Destroy! is about robots or machines going haywire and acting with unintended behavior, namely killing humans. Mechanical Monster is well, a strong mechanical being, with killing people provably being its intended behavior. Related, in that the haywire machine can become a monster, but not always.
Kill All Humans is a very wide trope, not limited to machines. Again, related, in that Crush. Kill. Destroy! can result in Kill All Humans, but not the same.
Edited by TrueShadow1 on Sep 15th 2019 at 5:58:50 PM
I think Crush. Kill. Destroy! covers two things:
A.I. Is a Crapshoot is about AI, not robots. Robots can have AI, but some are mindless and can only do a few things, and the description for Crush. Kill. Destroy! implies robots more on the mindless end. Also, murderous AIs typically kill by controlling large systems (opening the airlocks, causing an electrical fire, piping in poison gas etc). Robots are typically hands-on. Edit: this doesn't appear to be how A.I. Is a Crapshoot is actually used, but I think it could be a useful distinction.
Kill All Humans is much broader- it can be by anything, for any reason. Crush. Kill. Destroy! is (or should be) specifically about a murderous impulse in a robot due to a malfunction.
Mechanical Monster seems to me to be about a Killer Robot or Mecha-Mook that is larger, more dangerous, and more deluxe than a regular offensive robot. It seems mostly unrelated to Crush. Kill. Destroy!.
Edited by naturalironist on Sep 19th 2019 at 5:07:18 AM
It is a pretty common gag where a friendly robot has a hidden 'Kill Bot Mode' and they slip into it for a bit. Or gags where you see they have a switch or instructions to toggle that mode. Or in more serious cases have a malfunction or sabotaged to go into that mode.
Reading the examples specifically though a LOT of them cover the ALL... CAPS... ROBOTIC... phrases. IE "SEEK! LOCATE! EXTERMINATE!" or "Murder! Death! Kill! Annihilate! Exterminate!" Berserkers and Robotic Berserkers tend to do this but also Brainwashed and other things with limited faculties.
Divinity: Original Sin 2 has trained dogs devolve into speaking like this after training to be attack dogs (if you have the pet pal perk to understand them).
Both read like tropes to me.
Edited by Memers on Sep 19th 2019 at 2:24:19 AM
Kill All Humans is a motivation trope. Crush. Kill. Destroy! is the circumstance that lead to that motivation. Whether there are any cases where CKD don't lead to KAH or not is irrelevant.
But yes, it can be, like if the haywire machine just goes on a mindless rampage on people around it. It doesn't seek to kill all people, it just kills people because they're nearby.
Crush. Kill. Destroy! does heavily overlap with both Kill All Humans and Mechanical Monster, but given that not every Mechanical Monster goes through Crush. Kill. Destroy! (going from harmless to murderous), and not every case of Kill All Humans involves robots...I think there's a distinction here.
Kill All Humans is a broad supertrope, and I think the variation of an innocent robot turning into a killer is common enough and distinct enough to be it's own thing. Otherwise, it'll lump 'em in with Lovecraftian horrors, aliens, monsters...beings that didn't have to be corrupted in order to want to kill humanity.
Mechanical Monster would also be a supertrope, but again, I think there's enough of a difference as a robot starting out innocent and then going haywire happens enough to be it's own thing.
I think they're distinct, if heavily related, concepts.
Any input with my post?
I can see Kill Mode Switch being a trope on its own, as well as Robot Murderous Phrase.
Calling in favor of rename. Let's ready up an alt names crowner.
May I refer to this thread next time I'm asked to provide a wick-check for a trope rename?
Edited by eroock on Sep 20th 2019 at 11:05:50 AM
To be honest it looks like you don't even understand what a Mechanical Monster is. The core of the trope is the "intimidating and dangerous machine" part, not the "rampaging" part, nor the "built to kill" part. The latter two are just some of the possible ways of how a MM came to be.
If the rampaging machine turned out to be small and harmless-looking, then it's not a MM, a subversion at best.
Thats what I was thinking. I was more thinking split this and keep 'Crush. Kill. Destroy!' Wiki worded to 'Crush... KILL! DESTROY!' To better get across the kind of single minded madness of that state. Its not AI exclusive at all.
Add the Kill Bot Mode as a split off trope which just might use the style of talking.
Edited by Memers on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:42:11 AM
Self-thumped. I'll hold off on the crowner until after more discussion.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 21st 2019 at 12:55:53 PM
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