The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists to prevent tropers from making agenda-based edits or bringing up irrelevant controversial issues, but it's not always obvious if something breaks the rule or not. This thread serves the purposes of:
- Getting consensus on cutting overly controversial edits.
- Rewriting biased examples to be more neutral.
- Pre-emptively clarifying if a possible example actually violates the rule, or if it's okay to add.
- Making sure that the rule isn't just being used as an excuse to write a Zero-Context Example ("Some people think that X is Y, and that's all we have to say about it.")
See also the thread "Trump and ROCEJ
" for the specific topic of tropers sneaking their political views (not just views regarding Donald Trump, despite the title) onto the wiki.
See Pages Attracting Edits That Promote Bigotry for pages that attract ROCEJ violations that are bigoted in nature.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 5:25:14 AM
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...i still don't get it
- Reality Subtext: The whole premise of the show - cartoon characters getting corrupted by a virus-like glitch - can read like a response to the ongoing COVID-19 Pandemic.
I don't need to say what's wrong with this, do I?
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Lucas the Dreamer
Lily Orchard is a You Tuber who is quite infamous for looking for things to be offended by and has done things like accuse Rebecca Sugar of being a nazi sympathizer because the Diamonds from Steven Universe were reformed. Think of every single “SJW” stereotype and she fits almost all of them. I started a debate on who counts as a source when I was mainly just making a Take That! towards her.
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Dec 10th 2021 at 12:32:41 PM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
That’s so much of a stretch it would make Elastigirl jealous.
Lucas the Dreamer
Burn it. That entry was firmly retrieved during a cavity search.
It's gone.
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I wanna be a cowboy, baby
Figured this is the right place for this (and if it’s not let me know), but I found this. Interesting entry on YMMV.Mr Robot:
- Anvilicious: The series is quite careful, subtle and complex when dealing with variety of themes and issues, and that only makes it more jarring to see all that subtlety thrown away when it comes to politics. All of a sudden, a viewer is subjected to one-sided filibuster monologues by variety of characters stating that capitalism is evil incarnate, rich are only rich because they are scumbags, religion is stupid, society is intolerant and so on. When such a lecture occurs, counter-arguments are never brought up. What makes it really preachy is that usually brilliantly-written dialogue loses all sophistication and characters begin to speak in a very plain and direct manner, as if explaining a textbook axiom to a child. These statements are further reinforced by the plot of the show where not a single sympathetic right-leaning character is to be found.
Dunno about anything else, but the bit about the lack of a “sympathetic right-leaning character” is setting off some serious alarm bells.
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Industrious Incisors
There's definitely an agenda, and that last sentence paints the rest of their argument in an even worse light. I don't know the show, but what I know about tropers with leanings like that is they tend to exaggerate any point they see as being against them into unreasonableness.
Very Spooky
Yeah, that entry definitely raises some red flags. I'd cut it.
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I wanna be a cowboy, baby
Thanks!
Edit: The entry has been yeeted. (Yote?)
Edited by worldwidewoomy on Dec 11th 2021 at 11:36:59 AM
Stan GaruKaru for clear skin
I wanna be a cowboy, baby
Sorry for the double post, but I just found out that Oransel, the troper who wrote the problematic Anvilicious entry for YMMV.Mr Robot also crosswicked it to the Live Action TV page for the trope, same “there’s no sympathetic right-wing character :(“ slant and all. Permission to yeet from there as well?
Edited by worldwidewoomy on Dec 12th 2021 at 1:02:46 PM
Stan GaruKaru for clear skin
Industrious Incisors
Please do.
I wanna be a cowboy, baby
On it.
Edit: Done.
Edited by worldwidewoomy on Dec 12th 2021 at 1:40:33 PM
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a.k.a. Artemy Musha
Going back to the Values Dissonance example on the The Road to El Dorado page, I've removed the ROCEJ sinkhole, but I'm unsure if everyone's come to a proper consensus on removing the example entirely. What's the current situation on that?
Edited by Akriloth2160 on Dec 12th 2021 at 9:14:04 AM
There's no place that you can hide/Something that's special
Lucas the Dreamer
My stance is that we should probably try to find some sort of citation from a credible source. Though that may be difficult since a news publication with credibility is an oxymoron.
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Never seen Eldorado beyond previews, but reading through the page, it paints the conquistadores in an unflattering light and the Spanish White Male Leads are two losers who decide to protect the Aztecs after initially swindling them; it does not glorify that swindling. The film is also Best Known for the Fanservice because of the character Chel, who is a popular Cosplay magnet, so I'm not buying the sexualization of her character being so negatively received either.
This just looks like an Unfortunate Implications entry shoehorned into another trope to circumvent the citation requirement. The line "has come under criticism" is a rhetorical sleight of hand. By whom? How many people?
ETA: Apparently, the Best Known for the Fanservice entry was deleted on spurious grounds by Delibirda. I don't see any misuse or content violation.
- Best Known for the Fanservice: It goes without saying that the character of Chel is easily more popular than the movie itself; go to any DeviantArt page of Chel fan-art, and see how many commenters claim that they have never seen the film but love Chel. She's even become a popular cosplay choice, thanks to her official outfit being its own Sexy Whatever Outfit, and thus easy to pass as both "sexy" while still being movie-accurate, as well as being relatively easy to make.
Edited by Morgenthaler on Dec 13th 2021 at 6:37:43 AM
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
a.k.a. Artemy Musha
Yeah, I don't see how it's misuse of Best Known for the Fanservice either. The troper who removed it also brought up No Lewdness, No Prudishness, but looking at what was removed, it really doesn't seem all that crude. All it does is mention the memorably-fanservicey nature of Chel and her official cosplay outfit without being gushy and descriptive about it beyond one Stripperiffic pothole. So it looks like they erred a bit too hard on the "prudishness" side of that rule.
I'm in favour of both removing the Values Dissonance example and restoring the Best Known for the Fanservice example. In the case of the former (just to bring the thread back on topic), I've seen the movie, so I can confirm this unflattering portrayal of the conquistadores shown in previews is true to the movie itself. As for the heroes' swindling, that definitely isn't glorified. In fact, by the end of the movie, the natives have massively warmed up to them to the point of giving them piles of gold as a parting gift, so at the very least, the grifting becomes a much lesser factor in the equation long before the movie's climax.
UPDATE: Both edits have now been applied.
Edited by Akriloth2160 on Dec 13th 2021 at 5:17:26 PM
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Angry babby
I can affirm that Best Known for the Fanservice applies given that most of my early exposure to this movie was gifsets on Tumblr pointing out the sexual innuendo related to Chel.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
This has been brought up before, but I have a question.
Why do we have pages for news networks with basically zero tropable content? I'm talking about MSNBC, Fox News Channel, Russia Today, and so on. At least two of those pages are locked for ROCEJ violations and complaining, and the other one has both.
I'm wondering if these pages could be turned into locked Useful Notes pages instead. That's probably a discussion for Wiki Talk, but I wanted to gauge opinions on the subject to see if a Wiki Talk discussion is warranted.
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I've often advocated merging all of the American news networks into a single Useful Notes page.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
I wonder if there could be merit to having something like Fox News Channel separately since it's parodied so often in media.
Angry babby
We have tropes that pertain to the channel's parodies, like Blonde Republican Sex Kitten and Strawman News Media. (And maybe Fox News Liberal but that's more a strawman trope than about the channel itself.)
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Good point. Those tropes do cover the concept.
So should I start the Wiki Talk thread everyone? Or should it go somewhere else? I think this might be worth discussing.
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The American Newspapers page comes pretty close to being that.
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Wasn't the Jones page deleted because of a lack of tropeable work? Should that line just be cut?
Also Walkinshadows points out
