Misused: Self Imposed Challenge

I was just about to post "Also agreeing with the trivia split, assuming "creator imposes a restriction on themselves" isn't already covered."

But with , it seems like it's already covered.

I'd accept Constrained Writing if we could use it for the following examples:

• The Muppet Show: Frank Oz had one. At the beginning of each Swedish Chef sketch, the Chef - controlled by Oz - would fling a pair of spatulas or other cooking implements over his shoulders. Oz kept challenging himself to knock down every item on the back wall, and even managed it once.
• The 30 Minute Art Challenge consists of an artist being given a random topic and having exactly 30 minutes to complete it.
• In The Wreck, Alan sets one for himself to not break character in response to the other three's antics.

These are challenges creators set for themselves to create their work.

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Since they do involve creators, I'd probably accept those per Tropes Are Flexible.

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I think a crowner would be good for seeing whether we should move Self-Imposed Challenge and its subtropes to Audience Reactions. Do we need to also use the crowner for other suggestions (which wouldn't be mutually exclusive with the Audience Reactions move), or are they already covered by other tropes? Since Constrained Writing already covers creators challenging themselves, the only other option I can think of would be TLPing challenges imposed by the games themselves, if that hasn't been done already.

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I went ahead and made a crowner for deciding whether Self-Imposed Challenge and its subtropes should be made YMMV. If there's anything else to decide later, we can make crowners for those decisions.

Edit: Please hook this crowner instead.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 11th 2019 at 1:43:20 PM

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I don't agree with making all of the subtropes YMMV because many of them are actually examples of game-imposed challenges instead. I think we need to make each one a separate option in the crowner.

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Need to settle on where to dump or cut the 'self imposed' examples first before dealing with the 'Game Imposed' challenges.

'Game Imposed' challenges are an actual trope and not related to 'Self Imposed', especially if they have a reward.

Made a different crowner to account for previous posts.

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Game-imposed challenges are being moved to this draft, so the community-driven challenges can stay on Self-Imposed Challenge

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Seems like all poll options are in the green with no or nearly no opposition.

After thinking about it, I'd rather not make the Sub Tropes YMMV, but instead limit them to game-acknowledged examples, and move self-imposed ones to Self-Imposed Challenge (unless some of them have very few or no game-imposed examples).

Separating game-imposed challenges from Self-Imposed Challenge has the most votes. I'd imagine they could be moved to a sandbox until the supertrope for those challenges is launched, or they could just be transplanted to the TLP draft before it's launched. If removing them from Self-Imposed Challenge's subtrope list leaves them without an index, I'd imagine a more generalized video game trope index would work in the meantime. Self-Imposed Challenge itself is indexed under Video Game Culture, so maybe they could be put either there or under Video Game Tropes if they aren't there already.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 22nd 2019 at 9:23:06 AM

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So, does the Challenge Run TLP draft seem ready to launch to everyone? Are there any concerns?

I threw in my hat.

Anyways, since crowner is stable, calling in favor of all options.

Edited by Berrenta on Aug 12th 2019 at 6:16:42 AM

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I cleared Self-Imposed Challenge of non-self-imposed examples, and launched Challenge Run.

Now, to crosswick, and then the hard part: moving all the Self-Imposed Challenge wicks from the main work pages to YMMV.

Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 14th 2019 at 10:15:12 AM

I don't think Self-Imposed Challenge's subtropes have been made YMMV yet, even though we decided on that. Have the game-imposed subtropes been reclassified as subtropes of Challenge Run yet?

Edit: Of the pages listed on Self-Imposed Challenge, I think all except 100% Completion (since a lot of games keep track of completion percentage) and Double Play (due to the description restricting it to game-imposed examples) can be made YMMV. I'll go ahead and make the change, since it was part of the crowner decision.

Edit: For reference, these are the pages I added to the Audience Reactions index:

• Low-Level Run (Related page)
• Minimalist Run (Related page)
• No Casualties Run (Related page)
• No-Damage Run (Related page)
• Pacifist Run (Related page)
• Solo-Character Run (Related page)
• Speedrun (Related page)
• Stealth Run (Related page)

Most of these already refer to themselves as types of Self Imposed Challenges in their descriptions, so if I made any mistakes with the Audience Reactions indexing, I don't think adding those specific pages was a mistake.

Edit: Removed Double Play from the list because I misread the description (it's for game-imposed examples).

Edit: Redirects (for pages that have them) have been added to YMMV Redirects.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 9th 2020 at 10:54:16 AM

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I agree that Self-Imposed Challenge is YMMV, but I'd argue Speedrun should be Trivia, since they're much more formalized with set rules and leaderboards. For example, we can point to websites to prove that people do speedruns for games like Super Mario Kart and Portal.

It seems odd that we're saying "your mileage may vary" on whether people actually do these speedruns. I think this is analogous to The Wiki Rule, a trivia entry which also points to a concrete audience/fan creation.

I'd be fine with doing a new crowner to decide which subtropes go where. In hindsight, that should have been done to begin with. But anyway, my reasoning was that they're things players do to the games, rather than things games do to the players (like Self-Imposed Challenge itself).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 26th 2020 at 4:40:45 AM

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Is there a in-universe trope for a self-imposed challenge? I don't know if it's prevalent enough, but the character Guy in the anime Naruto did self-challenges to the point of absurdity.

I'm also wondering about non-video game challenges. Someone I want to make a page for, the YouTuber Ryan Trahan, does all sorts of crazy challenges solely for the sake of doing them, such as running a marathon on treadmill while in a VR headset beating Minecraft. That's technically a "self-imposed challenge", right?

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These can be used in-universe, such as if a YouTuber uses them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 27th 2020 at 2:57:09 PM

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I guess? Seems weird to call them "in-universe" when the idea is about crazy video-game challenges, right? If everyone supports the IU idea that's what I'll go with, but I want to make sure it's okay.

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If it matters, Challenge Run is for when the game itself presents the challenge.

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In the "universe" of the work (the LP) not the setting/options of the game (which is Challenge Run . And Self-Imposed Challenge if a character explicitly does such a thing...).

Edited by Tabs on Feb 27th 2020 at 3:25:47 AM