Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
I see there's some disagreement on what the cutoff should be for my Memes.Politics proposition. My current suggestion is somewhere between 4 and 8 years to prevent kneejerk reactions and better determine what's an actual meme.
My original suggestion was 8 years (the length of two US presidential terms), but I was convinced to lower it to 4 (the length of one term). Suggestions?
Eight years does sound a bit much. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
for four.
(she/her)
This is super late but I officially called Later-Installment Weirdness for NREP. I notice that's already on the index though.
Edited by MacronNotes on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:22:32 AM
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I added it after I noticed it'd been sitting there for a while.
Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:28:16 AM
So examples from works that are still ongoing can be deleted, right? Does that include the Pokémon game examples, since the end of the franchise is nowhere in sight?
Edited by Gosicrystal on Sep 27th 2022 at 12:56:44 PM
I'm neither a mod not a Pokemon fan, but I guess examples within individual entries in the franchise are acceptable.
Out of curiosity, when is the next crowner going to go up?
(she/her)
When someone compiles a list of possible candidates that we already discussed.
I don't think we need a new crowner though. This one only has 4 entries in it.
Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 2nd 2022 at 11:22:56 AM
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I see.
Five years for Stillborn Franchise sounds good. If it gets revived for whatever reason, we can just remove it later.
(she/her)
That's already NREP with a 5 year threshold.
I added More Popular Replacement and More Popular Spin-Off to the crowner. I don't have time to go through and add the others right now.
I think the items from this list have been discussed? I'll add them later if people are fine with that.
Anyways, I am going to advertise the crowner on ATT
Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 2nd 2022 at 12:46:54 PM
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Oh, whoops.
Anyone else have anything to say about Memes/Politics? If I sound pushy, I apologize.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 2nd 2022 at 12:03:05 PM
I'm helping!
FYI, the ATT query links directly to the crowner and not this thread. That strikes us as possibly unintended.
e: As for Memes.Politics, maybe "the term of the leader in power at the time"? 4 or 8 years for USpol, depending on whether they got
this is overly complicated and will never work, will it?
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Oct 2nd 2022 at 2:59:54 PM
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Officially intimidated
Posting this comment to make public that I voted in favor of enacting NREP to More Popular Replacement, Later-Installment Weirdness and More Popular Spin Off. The other options were closed so I didn't touch them (I double-checked so I didn't accidentally do so. -_-)
135 - 158 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300
(she/her)
So I was discussing Vote Early, Vote Often on the NRLEP thread about this commented note on the page:
Apparently, the trope isn't actually on the NREP index. Was this statement a unilateral change, or was it actually declared NREP but the index just wasn't updated for whatever reason?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added Vote Early, Vote Often to No Recent Examples, Please! because I see no signs of the note being a unilateral addition, especially because a former mod once edited the note, and since its addition predates the earliest entry in the page history. I'm positive it was just overlooked when the NREP index was created.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 3rd 2022 at 3:54:11 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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The note on the trope page was specifically for political examples, and there are plenty of recent non-political examples there, so I edited the entry on the NREP page to match.
Edited by bwburke94 on Oct 4th 2022 at 7:20:59 AM
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
(she/her)
Called More Popular Spin-Off and More Popular Replacement for NREP.
Also, is there a reason why there's a 3 day wait for consensus for NREP. Should we upgrade that to a week which is how long NRLEP crowners run?
Macron's notes
I don't see anything wrong with making it a week. It keeps things consistent.
On another note, anyone have objections to a four year waiting period for political memes? I know I've been beating that drum for a while now, but I'd like to strike while the iron is hot so I know what to do with the cleanup effort. If it gets NREP'd, the effort needed to clean the pages gets cut in half.
I think a week seems right.
(she/her)
Ok I'll update the crowner to a week.
As for political memes, I guess four years could work.
Macron's notes
Plakis Morakis
In my opinion, I think that a period of only around one year or six months could be enough to make sure that something is an actual meme and not just flash-in-the-pan political discourse.
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i think four years would be ideal but will settle for one.
Yeah I had a feeling it was too long. I was just trying to future-proof—evidently I went too far.
5 years is good.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 26th 2022 at 2:34:56 PM
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