RWBY General Discussion

At least with Keith his issues were due to Troubled Production and Executive Meddling. Shiro was very popular so the producers made them bring him back despite actually being Kuron and pushed Keith into his own subplot with the Blade of Marmora. His VA was also on The Walking Dead, so they had to keep the Blade of Marmora subplot to off screen. Had neither of those been factors, Keith's character arc, including his meeting Krolia and finding Kosmo, would likely have happened a lot earlier.

Cinder doesn't have those excuses. Jessica Nigri is consistently available, there have been ample opportunities to give her some form of Hidden Depths, and we're only just now getting something with her "I refuse to starve" line. Cinder's issues seem to be more due to poor writing decisions than anything.

... I mean, we've seen how he ended Haloid right? MC turns out to be Master Chick, its heavily implied she came in the middle of the fight watching Samus, and they both wear the skimpiest of outfits for a fanservice Dance Party Ending. It's safe to say in some cases, Monty was just pretty horny.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Mar 1st 2020 at 9:37:02 AM

"That was something that always made me laugh - and not for good reasons. I remember an interview with Miles, Kerry and Monty in either Volume 1 or 2, where the topic was the fact that there are four lead females who aren't depicted in a fanservice sort of way"

Holy hell, if Robyn uses her semblance on them with that her hand would explode.

I exaggerate of course, but Yangs literal first scene has an Ass Shot

so much about the show makes complete sense now

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 1st 2020 at 4:42:32 AM

That makes me wonder, are there any Non-elderly women in RWBY who AREN'T fetishized?

Edited by GNinja on Mar 1st 2020 at 2:44:07 PM

Eh, there are a couple of characters who aren't from what I recall. Like Robyn and her gang a d Penny....

Its just the ones who are, that element is...memorable.

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 1st 2020 at 4:47:22 AM

Oh my god somebody finally put it into words.

(2) Vernal, Weiss's mom, Young Maria, Penny, Kali Belladonna, Sienna Khan, Robyn.

Edited by Soble on Mar 1st 2020 at 6:48:07 AM

I'm not sure about some of those. The cries of "MILF" when Willow showed up were pretty intense in certain corners.

Penny too. She definitely feels like someone's kink.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 1st 2020 at 2:55:16 PM

I actually haven't. RWBY is the sole Monty Oum work I've ever seen.

Vernal, Penny, Kali and Sienna definitely have fanservice built into their appearances.

Young Maria doesn't have as much as Ruby, but there's an element of Ruby's early fanservice about her — which does make sense given that she's the in-universe (and indirect) source of inspiration for Ruby's theme: the 'angelic face with the deadly blade weapons' theme is still present, just toned down.

Willow has a downplayed version of Glynda's theme: that 'this could be how Glynda might end up if she was Willow' aspect to her.

At least the giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers doesn't seem to be fanservice... yet.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:11:13 AM

People tend to shout MILF whenever there's a moderately attractive older female involved.

Out of curiosity, how are we using fetishized here?

Yeah, at least for Willow and Maria I don’t think it’s the show sexualizing them so much as there are just a lot of people on the Internet who are desperately, at times I dare say unhealthily, thirsty.

Like, I know some people who’s first reaction to a woman being introduced in pretty much any work - even stuff they don’t actually watch or play themselves - is to become excited for new rule 34 content.

Edited by TheAirman on Mar 1st 2020 at 9:19:06 AM

If the Pokemon fanbase has taught me anything, it doesn't have to be a woman or even human.

As an Undertale fan I can vouch for that.

Ya know what, I've decided to list my favorite outfits for RNJRWBY.

Hard to beat the original honestly. The Perky Goth aesthetic was always my fav of hers. Slayer is kinda bland though. Her Mistral outfit isn't bad, it just makes her look too much like a Bar Wench. Her Atlas outfit though is so dumb. She doesn't fit the Punk Aesthetic and her hair shouldn't be the generic Shonen Hair.

I honestly find myself liking the Mistral outfit the most. Kinda fancy but not too fancy, the red scarf she adds makes a nice nod to Old Nick Schnee, the stockings don't reach Zettai Ryouiki levels, and the pale blue and white palette is pleasing to the eyes. Snow Pea is a close second, though looks admittedly too much like a business suit. Her original outfit though... yeah those sleeves and that bolero in general are just... ugh. Her Atlas outfit is okay, a bit too Disney princess for me, but by god do I hate her current hairstyle. It looks nothing like her old one and I have to remind myself its still Weiss when looking at it side by side with the others.

Intruder, hands down, very casual with the only mark against it being the arm bands. Her Mistral outfit is a close second, but only cause without the jacket it looks pretty good. Her original outfight though... I can't put into words how dumb it looks. And her Atlas outfit would be fine if it was just a catsuit and didn't have so many damn zippers, plus if her hair was rendered better.

Her DGAS outfit. I get she's the Ms. Fanservice of the group, but all of her main outfits are stupid for one reason or another. Her original outfit was stripperific, Hunter looks like it was stitched together, her Mistral outfit has that weird ass collar, her Atlas outfit has needless zippers and is overall bland. The only outfit I can say I remotely liked was the casual outfit she wore at home on Patch. It's basic, but her "Don't Give a Shit" outfit was honestly pretty nice looking.

His Mistral outfit. His original outfit was always rather bland and ill fitting on him, but his Mistral outfit was pretty damn cool. The Fashionable Asymmetry with the shoulder guard, the incorporation of Pyrrha's gold, the more open collar on his hoody, it was pretty sweet looking. His Atlas outfit.... not so much. That stupid popped collar combined with that ugly ass hair makes him look like a douche... no, it makes him look like Cardin. Gone is his hoodie, and his armor somehow looks bulkier despite only adding another shoulder guard.

Her Mistral outfit. It's an overall more simplified version of her Beacon outfit, but it works for her. The casual feel belying this Boisterous Bruiser is pretty fitting for the Genki Girl Nora. While I have warmed up to Nora's Atlas outfit, it still looks too much like Kairi's outfit to me.

His Mistral Outfit. My only issue is the detached sleeves, but overall, the wild and loose hair, the qipao esque shirt combined with the cool coattails, he just pulls it off. His first outfit is rather generic, being the more generic qipao and plain pants. His Atlas outfit I'm more warmed up to, but I still prefer the wild mane to the braid, and question the use of the single arm strap when A. he doesn't use a shield to compensate the other arm like Jaune did, and B. doesn't seem to even use his dad's dagger much and could have just kept it on his chest or waistband.

Honestly Rubies original outfit, even with the fetish thing, just has a sort of....innocnce? To it?

It looks like a girl made her own superhero outfit

I'm fairly sure innocence is a kind of fetish. That's Penny's appeal I think.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 1st 2020 at 3:44:13 PM

Everything is a fetish if you try hard enough.

Which goes back to my question, how are we using fetishized here? Are we just checking boxes on what can be considered fetishes or is this about what gets focus?

From the earlier statements it honestly sounds like they're projecting.

Design is irrelevant. As said earlier people will fetishize anything be it Lara Croft's pyramid beasts or Bowser...or a Black Hole.

Going by how the characters are used in show I'd say definitely not. They're attractive to specific tastes, but there's been little to no focus on their looks in official artwork or in the series proper barring 2 shots which could arguably be seen as scene setting angles.

Edited by CryoJNik on Mar 1st 2020 at 10:49:41 AM

Before this conversation gets out of hand I will say I agree with:

• Everything can be a fetish if you want it to be
• The only characters who don't turn me on are Vernal, Winter, Willow, Jacques, Sun, Neptune...
  • The characters who do turn me on are [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], Yang, Neo, Salem, Evil Salem, Jinn, [redacted], [redacted], and the maid from that bar in Higanbana.
• RWBY does more to have female characters of substance than a great many anime I've watched - so fetish-izing some/most of them doesn't come off as a a bad thing, as fetishes come from a great many sources
  • The alternative is to make every single female character wear drab, full outfits - and nobody wants that
  • The other alternative was to give Ruby pants and make the girls wear warm clothes in wintry conditions but nooooooooooooooooooooo

Even giving them warmer clothes can be Fetish Fuel tho. Remember Rule 34, just replace "porn" with "somebody's fetish".

Yeah, you can't stop the fetishes. You really, really can't. Every character in the series with the exception of a couple of the older characters are drop-dead gorgeous, and therefore literally any clothes you put them in are going to look great. Yang was even an Unkempt Beauty when she was depressed, wearing sweatpants, and missing an arm.

Cinder is the main one who gets actual Male Gaze on her, but Yang definitely gets more than a little. Her first shot in the Yellow trailer certainly stands out, but she's got more.

I'll never stop finding it so funny how Cinder and Neo decide to wear more revealing clothes when going to Atlas

"Going by how the characters are used in show I'd say definitely not. They're attractive to specific tastes, but there's been little to no focus on their looks in official artwork or in the series proper barring 2 shots which could arguably be seen as scene setting angles."

Glynda is a Hot Teacher who's main weapon is a Riding Crop called "The diciplainarian"

I...have doubts that was an accident

Also, if were talking characters who are designed with the fansevicey stuff in mind instead of it just being applicable" Id say it's mostly(not exclusively, look at Cinder with her Zettai Ryouiki Who Wears Short Shorts combo) a Monty Era thing.

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 1st 2020 at 10:40:47 AM

Not really surprisingly considering Monty became internet-famous because he decided to make awesome action animations with pretty ladies. I feel like it's fair to say he was a man who knew what he was about.

Glynda is also the one that the cast admitted was pretty fanservice-heavy. The question was more about everyone else.

As for Cinder, she's from the "Monty Era" too. I mean, her newest redesign isn't, but her original painted-on dress, sexy walk, and constant bedroom voice were all from when Monty was alive and the primary animator.

Edited by Discar on Mar 1st 2020 at 1:37:22 AM

It's almost like characters in fiction are designed for the most part to be aesthetically attractive or something to make people care more about them because humans are functionally stupid in that regard...or something.

Animated characters are going to be attractive for the most part, no getting around it. The question should be whether or not the official product objectifies said characters to a detriment of itself as a whole. I feel like that would give a better answer to the topic in question over obsessing over character design.

Killed a young girl without remorse, laid waste to a village and possibly countless others, and left her daughter to handle a job she should have done or even just closed the door if she was able to.

Yeah, I'd say she's Beyond Redemption unless she endures ultimate suffering.

Edited by Psyga315 on Mar 1st 2020 at 3:30:24 AM