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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Apr 11th 2013 at 7:20:38 PM

Well, "the intersection of" is more complicated than "meets". "Intersection" a longer and harder-to-understand word, and the differences in meaning aren't relevant here, I believe.

Greek history is irrelevant at any rate. The point of the laconic wiki isn't to be as laconic as possible. It's meant to summarise (the core ideas of) the tropes briefly. The definition of the word does not define what that wiki is about. That's what I meant, rather than declaring dictionaries off-limits. A dictionary definition doesn't say anything about why the word is used here in the first place. If it was an argument about using the word "laconic" it would be relevant, but it isn't.

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Apr 15th 2013 at 3:45:29 PM

Vetinari Job Security: just a quote that describes nothing. Description could use some work too.

Apr 15th 2013 at 4:00:30 PM

I think "A Magical Girl who is also a Super-Heroine," sounds best.

m8e from Sweden Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
Jun 15th 2013 at 4:51:14 AM

What should we do with pages that have no laconic? Pushing the random button it feels like half the pages are missing laconics.

SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 15th 2013 at 4:54:02 AM

Not all pages have laconics, and I distinctly prefer no laconics to badly done ones.

Jun 15th 2013 at 8:42:39 AM

Just bring it up here, and we'll see if we can come up with one. But like Septimus said, none is better than a bad one, so don't just make one up if you're not 100% sure about the definition.

XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Jul 6th 2013 at 7:22:33 PM

Adult Fear. The description says it's any realistic threat and fear that most adults would be concerned about in real life portrayed as scary (economic situation, fidelity in relationship, safety of your family).

Laconic.Adult Fear says "realistic scary situations happening to children, played in fiction for all they're worth".

Children are emphasised in the main article, but the laconic is inaccurate.

I think it also attracts misuse. Some wicks (two of which I removed) mention anything bad happening to children, no matter how it's portrayed. For example the examples I removed involved zombies and some freaky vision of resurrection. I moved the examples to the discussion in case anyone wants to check my decisions.

For the new laconic, I suggest trimming it to "realistic scary situations".

edited 6th Jul '13 7:23:32 PM by XFllo

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SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jul 7th 2013 at 1:00:49 AM

Adult Fear is not "realistically scary situations" at all.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 3:22:56 AM

I changed the Adult Fear laconic to "Threats and fears that most adults would be concerned about in real life. "

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Jul 7th 2013 at 9:35:25 AM

OK, thank you. If it's not real life scary situations, then what is it? By "realistically scary situations", I meant that it's plausible and could very well happen. Probably a bad expression or bad style of writing.

But I am right in assuming that creatures like zombies and morphing your kid's soul into a demon doesn't count as Adult Fear? One troper responded in the discussion and thinks the example from Soul Eater (the resurrection & soul of your kid changed into demon) counts. More input could help.


[down] Thank you. That helps a lot. smile

edited 7th Jul '13 10:00:07 AM by XFllo

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 9:45:45 AM

It's just what I changed the laconic to: Threats and fears that most adults find frightening in real life. Zombies? no. Kidnapping? Yes. A killer clown in the bedroom closet? No. Losing your house? Yes. Ninjas? No. Divorce? Yes.

It's not intended to cover "anything anybody ever might find frightening." It's about those works that take a very real concern that affects adults (and which most children aren't aware of or are aware of only peripherally) and build on that fear.

The Soul Eater one feels like a shoehorn to me. The adult fear it's based on (losing your child/danger to your child would be an example (See Taken, Not Without My Daughter, even M) but frosting it over with demons and soul-stealing takes it out of the Adult Fear category and puts it into straight Horror. That's my personal opinion.

edited 7th Jul '13 9:49:20 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jul 7th 2013 at 10:26:57 AM

I'm not sure what Bastard Girlfriend is supposed to but its laconic "She's a total sadist, and that's hot!" sounds like Fetish Fuel. Can anyone clear this up?

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 10:30:01 AM

Changed it. To "A female character is sexy because she's sadistic or an abuser. "

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jul 7th 2013 at 10:43:26 AM

[up] That sounds better but still sounds like Fetish Fuel. Is supposed to be be a type of Fetish Fuel? because the previous laconic potholed it.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 10:53:05 AM

It can be Fetish Fuel, in that Fetish Fuel is defined as "something that is makes a character sexually attractive (or more sexually attractive then they otherwise would be) to some part of the audience".

But because of what the Fetish Fuel Pages degenerated into, we no longer have them, and wicking to Fetish Fuel is discouraged.

A Bastard Girlfriend, like a Bastard Boyfriend, is one where their cruelty or sadism is intended to be a substantial part of their attractiveness. Which means that there's no way to describe Bastard Boyfriend or Bastard Girlfriend without saying something that at least implies Fetish Fuel is involved.

edited 7th Jul '13 10:55:07 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jul 7th 2013 at 10:57:29 AM

Alright, that makes sense.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 11:00:30 AM

Glad I could help.smile

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jul 8th 2013 at 5:41:37 AM

God Modders is really long. Can it be trimmed down?

videogmer314 from that one place Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Jul 8th 2013 at 10:28:17 AM

I shortened it a little bit.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 8th 2013 at 10:39:57 AM

Nice change! Not only was the old one too long, it was far too reliant on potholes. Thank you.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jul 13th 2013 at 3:21:49 PM

The laconic for Wrench Wench just says, "Female mechanic," but if you read the page it doesn't sound like it's that People Sit On Chairs. The quote, picture, and several lines in the description make it sound like she's supposed to be attractive. There's nothing to suggest that an ugly, mannish woman would qualify. Wench even means a servant or prostitute.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 13th 2013 at 3:33:53 PM

I don't see a problem. The trope is "female character is a mechanic." The name is used outside the wiki, and the definition touches briefly on the fact that she may be attractive, but doesn't have to be.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jul 14th 2013 at 10:40:53 PM

I'm not saying that she has to be attractive, but the page indicates that it is, "girl who is mechanically inclined," not any woman who has a job working on cars. "Female mechanic," makes it sound like it's about profession instead of personality.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Jul 15th 2013 at 12:11:33 AM

I think the one on Fur Bikini should be better (especially since it's not limited to undergarments). Not that the old one was any better, just it needs a good one.

Also, are we allowed to bring up newly launched tropes? Because I'd like to get a good and accurate one for Simple, yet Opulent.

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SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Aug 19th 2013 at 3:49:30 AM

Laconic.Big Bad looks rather weird to me. Too long, to be specific.


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