The Grand Unified Appearance Trope Clean-up:

To be honest, I'd imagine describing a character's cuteness in terms of personality and appearance would work better as context for The Cutie or something like that (this would also have to catch cases like Kirino Kosaka from Oreimo who doesn't always act cute, but has plenty of moments, hence the title). To give an example of what I mean, using Elmo from Sesame Street:

• The Cutie: Elmo is a 3-year-old red monster whose demeanor is anything but monstrous. He wears no clothes, but has large facial features and a short stature. He is innocent and playful, acting as a friend to everyone and playing with his toys, and only speaks in the third person because he doesn't know any better.

Most hair decs are that yeah. But I wouldn't limit it to just girls, I know of the exact same amount of girls and guys who wear flower wreaths in their hair... although for guys its all Yaoi works.

I think it would be a one or another, go with the iconic option or go with Moe.

On the Moe side, if someone in the work thinks they look cuter with a hair dec and or gives it to them as a gift it would be more Important Hair Accessory I think, possibly expand that to cover that.

Oreimo is aimed straight at Tsundere fans, she was always cute.

Edited by Memers on Jan 17th 2020 at 6:42:38 AM

My concern here is coming up with a trope that won't still be a ZCE magnet; something that can't just be used as "person has hair accessory", conveying no meaning or interesting information, saying nothing about the character, doing nothing but padding out characters pages.

I'd be fine with creating a variety of more meaningful tropes on the TLP, moving examples over, and turning Hair Decorations into a disambig- just as long as the tropes we make don't devolve into more of the same.

Rule of thumb: if something's tropeworthy but the examples would be ZCE-laden ones, then we shouldn't list examples.

But of course we'd first try to avoid that scenario, right?

Right.

Ideally, we'd go through all the wicks and move them to the proper tropes, and cut the ZCEs.

Well the trope has decayed a lot but there are a surprising amount of Non-ZCE examples on the page, far more than I was expecting tbh.

The renaming was a disaster.

Edited by Memers on Jan 17th 2020 at 11:28:22 AM

So the options are to:

• Disambiguate

• Redefine/Rename into a Iconic Headgear / hair dec trope.

• Redirect into another trope (don't know what)

• Cut

Is that everything?

- That sounds right...

I agree.

Yep.

Sure.

For the record, I will vote to cut Hair Decorations completely. Creating a trope for such iconic items described earlier should be a subject better suited for the Trope Launch Pad.

x5 The other option is revert the name.

With so many links and inbounds I would say lets not.

Edited by Memers on Jan 19th 2020 at 2:54:34 AM

I'll vote "redefine it into Signature Hair Dec", but I want a new trope for "Symbolic Hair Dec" too.

Eh, we cut Five Bad Band with more inbounds and wicks than that, so I don't see that as big of a loss.

As an aside, I just cleaned out all of the wicks to Blonde Guys Are Evil (a redirect to Blondes Are Evil); with 86 inbounds, is it safe to delete?

Edited by Brainulator9 on Jan 19th 2020 at 8:33:46 AM

I would say so yeah.

Here's the crowner. Hollering for a hook now.

EDIT: Should we do something about Flower In Her Hair later on too since that's a subtrope of Hair Decorations?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 19th 2020 at 9:01:43 AM

Yes.

Digress: so there's no such thing as Too Much Links Clause now, huh?

That only counts if the trope relatively healthy. If there is proof of heavy misuse and other issues more drastic measures will be considered. There a lot of tropes that had more inbounds than Hair Decorations but still ended up getting cut because they were more trouble to keep around than not

Although personally, I rather have it be Disambiguated or redirected than cut so that at least the links go somewhere.

Crowner hooked.

About Meaningful Appearance, it's too general a trope. Surely a subtrope could be made for meaningful hair decs specifically.

isn't that already covered by Important Hair Accessory?

More or less. The Hair dec must have important meaning to it.

So, no plans on Disambiguation target to Magical Accessory and Stat Stick?

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No, read the description. The importance is only on getting or removing the hair accessory.

What I meant is for when the hair accessory is symbolic of something that the person is. Having a skull-shaped hairpin to signify someone's a goth, or wearing a job-related accessory (like a maid's hairband).

Requisite Royal Regalia (tiara = royalty) is related too.

It's a decent concept, but in practice I fear it'd be doomed to attract more ZCEs, where people are just expected to know what the hair-item symbolizes- that's if it's as broad as you seem to think it should be, instead of something a bit more narrow and defined (Memers' examples are a good start).