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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jan 19th 2021 at 1:57:21 PM

Made an Image Pickin' thread for Mentor in Sour Armor.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jan 19th 2021 at 4:58:25 AM

Jan 19th 2021 at 6:21:54 PM

Continuing with the Jerks Are Worse Than Villains thing, while it is indeed detrimental to unlaunch a technically fleshed-out trope that had been sitting in the oven for years now, given that it is already attracting misuse for various reasons, it's already a chaotic mess, so letting it sit there and fester the misuse is not a good idea either.

I also express concerns of it being turned into either Complete Monster or Moral Event Horizon, but without the very strict criteria. Many problem users who know doubt misused the latter two will take advantage of this as well.

I've just had to clean up some misuse of that trope that's crossed my path: villains and a hero transforming on-screen to a villain, along with some completely wrong potholing (such as listing The Heavy as the show's Big Bad). The entries were just bad. I couldn't tell you if other examples on the page are just as bad, but I was able to salvage a legitimate entry from the mess I encountered.

Looking at the draft, some of these examples were being added during a period when people in the comments were blurring the line with Hate Sink, and that doesn't seem to have ever been addressed during the draft. That might explain some of the problems.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 19th 2021 at 2:26:38 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it's just not worth reading.
Jan 20th 2021 at 7:33:02 AM

~intastiel: You suggested unlaunching "Avoid This Area" Effect...

I'm not against it... But I wanna see what others think... Especially given the fact that I haven't raided Sexiled or anything for Mundane examples of the Effect.

I guess Gate Guardian is what I'd use for doors guarded by people?

Edited by Malady on Jan 20th 2021 at 7:43:49 AM

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WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Jan 20th 2021 at 12:10:50 PM

We might just need to go through the examples on Jerks Are Worse Than Villains one by one to see if they're valid, need a rewrite, or can get axed.

If we do, I suggest a short-term projects thread.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 20th 2021 at 3:13:18 PM

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Atelier Sucrose: The Alchemist of Teyvat
miraculous It's kind of romantic from South Africa
It's kind of romantic
Jan 20th 2021 at 12:13:54 PM

What is Jerks Are Worse Then Villains. The examples seem to waver from dickish villains compared to cool ones, hate sink types, heroes making mistakes and so on. I'm not quite sure what this is about from the examples ?

"Why would I keep my head down. When I'm this good at acting. This is the kind of performance that won me an award for best actress"
WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Jan 20th 2021 at 12:15:17 PM

[up] It's meant to be an Audience Reaction where fans are willing to enjoy actual villains for being cool, but hate characters who are just mundane jerkasses.

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Jan 20th 2021 at 1:18:16 PM

[up] Exactly.

I think Wyldchyld hit the example weirdness on the head — when the draft was first created, it wasn't very clear what the scope of the trope was aside from "the jerk is worse than the actual villain", and when it narrowed to be a specific Audience Reaction about fans hating the more down-to-Earth antagonists more than the fantastical villains, examples that were added before that that no longer fit weren't removed. Also the draft was created during the wild west days of TVT, so that might also explain it.

Short term projects thread sounds like a good idea.

WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Jan 20th 2021 at 1:45:59 PM

[up]x7 @Malady:

I don't think that "Avoid This Area" Effect should necessarily be unlaunched, but I'm concerned that it encompasses a very broad variety of "effects" and that the description glosses over that fact. The Supernaturally Restricted Area TLP draft is a solid concept in itself, but it proposes a separate Sub-Trope page for a trope that had only 27 examples at the time of my writing (7 of them real-life) — to me, that indicates either that the new draft is premature or that "Avoid This Area" Effect is too broad.

If it's the former, I think it's just a matter of adding detail to the description of "Avoid This Area" Effect — identifying internal subtropes like "Supernaturally Restricted Area"; clarifying links to tropes that overlap with this, such as Sexiled, Forbidden Zone, and Emotion Control; and so on.

If it's the latter, then I would be in favour of unlaunching "Avoid This Area" Effect, migrating applicable examples to the Supernaturally Restricted Area draft, and considering replacing "Avoid This Area" Effect with an index.

Jan 20th 2021 at 2:30:59 PM

[up] - I agree that "Avoid This Area" Effect could do with a lot of beefing up in the description and examples department.

I was hoping that people would get the idea that it's a very broad Super-Trope and I wouldn't have to say more... But well, here we are. Oh well. [lol]

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
The Draftsman of Doom
Jan 22nd 2021 at 2:06:02 AM

I put my Red Riding Hood Replica TLP up for grabs, and ~Aj Wargo, who launched it, has only crosswicked 4 entries.

Ignore, this has been resolved.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 22nd 2021 at 5:06:45 AM

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AjWargo Lord Barglebroth, Come For Your Souls! from Westfeild, New Jersey
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Jan 22nd 2021 at 2:06:54 AM

[nja]

Edited by AjWargo on Jan 22nd 2021 at 5:07:07 AM

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Jan 23rd 2021 at 7:49:23 PM

A draft called Edgelord has gotten 7 hats in 3 hours since going up, despite a somewhat complaining description and formatting issues. I smell shenanegans, it's worth monitoring.

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Jan 24th 2021 at 9:36:37 AM

Abusive Offspring (draft) has been rogue launched by a nonparticipant. Notified, transferred and reverted edits, and called the rogue launcher to this thread.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Jan 25th 2021 at 1:55:03 AM

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Jan 25th 2021 at 7:10:17 AM

[up][up][up] It's more a meme than a trope. There's relevant tropes here ('90s Anti-Hero in particular is relevant possibly to the point of redundancy) but it's clearly more about a meme than a trope.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jan 25th 2021 at 10:11:50 AM

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto
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Jan 25th 2021 at 6:20:42 PM

[up]Edgelord is a meme at best.

Darker and Edgier however is a very similar trope.

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WarJay77 It takes a lot to make a stew... from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It takes a lot to make a stew...
Jan 25th 2021 at 6:21:15 PM

Should be discussed on the draft proper, guys. The issue at hand was the amount of hats.

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Jan 26th 2021 at 4:04:10 AM

Quick question about Mistaken for Imprisonment. It's been launched, but someone in the draft did raise concerns about the title. Someone else said they didn't have a problem with the title. Then it was launched by the draft creator.

I don't know if there is a legitimate issue with the trope name (it doesn't particularly bother me) but the trope description seems a little sparse and relies heavily on five bullet points that feel like they were created with very specific examples in mind — the fifth bullet point doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I was trying to decide whether an example that popped into my head counts as the trope or would be misuse of the trope (it's a prison, but its secret is that people are free to leave whenever they want to; even the few who know that don't leave because their guilt stops them from walking out the door). I suspect it would be misuse of the trope, but I'm not a hundred percent certain that it is based on the description that currently exists.

Was this launched too soon?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 26th 2021 at 12:05:20 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it's just not worth reading.
mightymewtron Agnostic angel from sout park Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Agnostic angel
Jan 26th 2021 at 6:56:07 AM

[up] Did they even give notice that they were launching? It looks like it was launched once a single other troper said the title was fine, despite the discussion still not really being resolved.

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Kevjro7 Premature Discharge
Premature Discharge
Jan 26th 2021 at 8:35:26 AM

[up]In the history they said "I will hold off launching until a better title is agreed upon, if any." They never say when they would launch it, so no.

Jan 26th 2021 at 3:39:12 PM

It doesn't look like there was any warning they'd launch. The note Kevjro7 spotted was added on the 22nd in response to the troper who flagged the title then removed before the trope was launched on 25th. But there's no message anywhere that I can find that they'd decided to launch it or set a countdown to launch.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it's just not worth reading.
mightymewtron Agnostic angel from sout park Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Agnostic angel
Jan 29th 2021 at 6:24:54 AM

So I just made an IP thread for Bait-and-Switch Silhouette without realizing it was stealth-launched. It's also barely been crosswicked or indexed. Should it be sent back or just let it stay while we also use IP to change the image?

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 29th 2021 at 9:25:14 AM

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jandn2014 Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot from somewhere in Connecticut Relationship Status: Hiding
Hangs around Image Pickiní a lot
Jan 29th 2021 at 6:53:33 AM

[up] The page seems like it was launched prematurely; itís lacking polish, and thereís only 12 examples. Iíd send it back, but we can still use IP to change the image.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jan 29th 2021 at 9:55:02 AM

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