Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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LRLEO tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Whoa, that goes into talking about murders and dictators. That is bordering on becoming an evil trope.
edited 4th Jan '13 12:44:39 AM by reub2000
No, the other one.
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I can agree with that. The main reason is that it's quite rude to put someone there. While there can be some objective evidence for it, it still comes off as singling people out for it, which is not good. It is a potential source of edit wars and stuff, but it doesn't show as is. Haven't checked the history, though.
Edit: I added It's All About Me to the crowner.
edited 3rd Jan '13 9:49:54 PM by AnotherDuck
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Think of the mooks!
Going over the Permanent Red Link Club, I noticed that Lickspittle was put in there for being a complaint magnet, and that the In-Universe version was already covered by Yes-Man. That said, Yes-Man is not listed for No Real Life Examples Please and it does have a small real life section.
It's not attracting any controversy at the moment (that I can see), but it seems incongruous to have taken one page that was "Yes Man, but in Real Life," permanently ban it from the site, but still allow real life examples on Yes Man itself. I move to place the trope on NRLEP and cut said section; I don't think the list adds anything to the understanding of the page, it's potentially insulting, and one page containing the same content was previously banned from the site due to abuse.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
No, the other one.
I agree. Two of them weren't Real Life, though. One joke and one proverb. I created an Other folder and put them there.
That page was for complaining about fans. These are far more volatile than most Real Life sections. Not supporting cutting just yet.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
Calling It's All About Me - Added 3rd Jan '13 at 09:49:29 PM, 18:1 (19)
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In uffish thought
UsefulNotes.Suicide has a nice big real life section about people who killed themselves, but Driven to Suicide has a NRLEP tag. Shall I put UN/S on the crowner or just cut it right out?
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Is Driven to Suicide about suicide in general? If no, I wouldn't go ahead like that.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Also, I need to remind to keep the subpages of Real Life clean of these tropes.
Also, a question: Are we supposed to replace No Real Life Examples Please notes with the markup wiki-wide?
edited 8th Jan '13 7:28:38 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Driven to Suicide is about suicide generally. (Well, it focuses on the reasons for suicide, but it's still about all forms of suicide.)
I would think the real life examples on UsefulNotes.Suicide can probably be axed, one because it seems to be a workaround of the NRLEP on the trope page and two because I don't think it's providing a better understanding of the topic for use in fiction, which is what Useful Notes are for.
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What, is it just a list of times when someone committed suicide? Umm, yeah. Nuke as pointless.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
That particular Real Life section would be better off in Wikipedia, if only because it's a list of notable suicides.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Reymmã
What to do with Heroic Albino? It has a section with three entries, one of which is a lapalassian statement about real albinos, one about lab rats is of some interest but doesn't really fit (it's only heroic if it's willing), and one which might fit under a mythology folder. (Is it alright to apply a heroic trope to real but revered beings, treating the belief as fiction?) I'll be willing to fix it myself if this is the right MO.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.
I went ahead and cut them all, as they're not examples of the trope (the third one doesn't fit because being seen as holy is not the same thing as being heroic). Plus the first one violates the "no generic examples" guideline.
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You Have Researched Breathing - this one's RL section seems completely pointless.
While I think the description is bad and the current RL examples too, I don't think it merits NRLEP.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Reymmã
Isn't the entire point of that article about games contradicting the real world (with no justification in the setting), hence inapplicable to reality?
And the current RL section is pretty bad even considering that.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.
No, the other one.
I went ahead and cut the Real Life section on You Have Researched Breathing. Those are not examples of the trope. It's just regular evolution.
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@1043: Not according to the laconic, or the description.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I would like to nominate Creepy Twins. I don't think we need to be calling real folks creepy, especially in connection to something you are born with and can't control, like being a twin.
Nomination supported.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
In uffish thought
Twins can use creepiness to earn money in real life — at a freak show or similar — but that could probably go in a medium folder if someone adds such an example. Nothing in the current real life section fits anyway.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
No, the other one.
Most are about twins who're twin-like (the Sedin brothers gif was kinda funny) rather than creepy, or nazis, which isn't creepy for being twins. The last example is the only one that kind of actually fits the trope. Like before, we could just delete them for being wrong, but this is a trope that's not just suited for Real Life examples, I believe.
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"In distress", my ass.
BTW, y'all know you don't have to nominate and get secondings to add a voting item, right? Just add it, and make a post to let people know there's a new item to vote on. If it doesn't have support, it won't get voted up, as has happened in a couple of older crowners as I recall.
Creepy Twins added, on that note. 
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And on an unrelated note, I know animated GIFs aren't allowed as page images, but is linking them acceptable? Seems to me the same problem of trolling with gifs exists even if it's just a link instead of showing directly.
edited 15th Jan '13 8:05:01 AM by Nohbody
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsAllAboutMe
does NOT need real life examples. Though I can think of quite a few (and I think we all can) I'm just imagining the nightmare here if, say, someone adds Barack Obama and someone else adds a Republican equivalent, or if, say, someone adds Gackt and Gackt fans find out...