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Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
No, the other one.
It's less about being villains and more about being jerks. If I put you up on the page as an example, would you appreciate it?
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Calling someone an ungrateful bastard in everyday speech is considered a mid-level insult. Sticking a real life person on the trope page can be seen as insulting them. We don't do that.
It's also gossiping about real life people. Would you want to Google your name and have a reference come up that you are an ungrateful bastard, along with the event that supposedly proves it? I would find it very rude.
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No, the other one.
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Objectively speaking, the number of people who don't consider "ungrateful bastard" an insult are insignificant to those who do. And if the best argument for keeping real life examples is that it's "technically not an insult", then I don't see the point in keeping them.
"In distress", my ass.
Kavorka Man has some more votes, but the vote ratio is still holding at 3:1, so I'm going to call it as well as Unrealistic Black Hole for making NRLEP.
To make it formal...
- Kavorka Man: Added 12th Aug '15 at 09:37:41 AM, 3:1 (20)
- Unrealistic Black Hole: Added 12th Aug '15 at 09:37:41 AM, 14:1 (15)
What's the next course of action Re: Kavorka Man? Can't make an Image Picking thread since that forum is clogged at the moment.
These are the voyages...
Re: Revealing Cover Up - maybe put a "minimum time since" on the RL examples (I've seen it elsewhere), say 25-50 years?
Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...
"In distress", my ass.
The two bastard tropes up for the crowner have been steady for the day or so they've been past the 48hr mark, so calling:
- Entitled Bastard: Added 13th Aug '15 at 07:30:37 PM, 7:1 (16)
- Ungrateful Bastard: Added 13th Aug '15 at 07:30:37 PM, 3.25:1 (17)
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I threw Magical Queer on the crowner, because it's a sexuality trope with real life examples, and I doubt it's possible in real life due to there being no such thing as magic
edit: also, threw on Settled F Or Gay for similar reasons, plus the one example being a general one.
edited 18th Aug '15 1:42:05 AM by Acebrock
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But Not Too Foreign has a real life section which is basically just listing mixed-race people. I think it should be axed on the ground of being far too common to be of any significance.
But Not Too Black has the same problem as above, only with part-Blacks.
edited 18th Aug '15 3:28:30 AM by Adept
No, the other one.
I think that problem is less notable on But Not Too Black. On the other hand, it's replaced by tons of natter, generic "examples", and other problems. Some are also in the wrong section.
I wonder if it would be best to try to weed out all the problems first, and see what remains. It's not as if the tropes can't exist in real life. The tropes are basically about wanting someone who's not native or racially different from the "norm", but not too much. The first part is often skipped in the examples. The "But" in the trope name is important. There is no but if all there is is about being white enough.
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But interracial families are very uncommon in fiction, so I can see why the existence of a mixed-race character in such a universe is notable. In real life, that's not the case in real life.
No, the other one.
The trope is not the existence of a mixed-race character. If that's all there is to an example, it's misuse, or a ZCE at best.
The trope is, "We want someone who's not white, because we're not racists and we want to promote racial diversity. But not someone completely foreign, since that would make the character unrelatable to our non-foreign target audience." Often done by changing an actors appearance to look less foreign, or lightning the skin of an animated character as a part of a Fanservice Pack.
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"In distress", my ass.
I cleaned up the RL section of But Not Too Black a little, moving some stuff to the appropriate media folder while cutting a lot for being generic, "aversions" (RL doesn't avert narrative tools, and in any case BNTB is not an Omnipresent Trope, which is where aversions matter), or outright misuse.
There's still some questionable stuff, I think, but where I wasn't absolutely positive I left it in, to be on the safe side.
(The page as a whole is a mess, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.)
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So the purpose of the trope is to diversify the cast without completely alienating the audience... that still disqualifies real life example because that definition requires a narrative framework.
"In distress", my ass.
I'm not opposed to making BNTB NRLEP, I just thought that a little cleanup would make it easier to see what's being (mis)used for trope examples.
If nothing else, sorting the other media stuff now means one doesn't have to do it later if the section is cut. 
BNTB's "Other" folder also contains a lot of natter. Like, how is "there aren't enough black dollbases on Deviant Art" or "some art teachers treat Caucasian facial proportions as 'default' ones" or "an online clothing store is accused of having only one non-white model" applicable to this trope? Methinks, we need to set some clear criteria for examples, to avoid this.
No, the other one.
It can figure into stuff like, say, hiring policies. It's not a narrative trope, either. "Audience" isn't necessarily people on the other side of the fourth wall here.
It's probably more likely that the entire trope page needs some help, since the same problem is all over it, rather than just in the RL section.
edited 18th Aug '15 7:35:03 AM by AnotherDuck
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Added both But Not Too Foreign and But Not Too Black.
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Are But Not Too Foreign and But Not Too Black THAT common in real life?
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Creepy Crossdresser seems like something that shouldn't have real life examples. The potential for transphobia is too high (and it's also shading into the area of "we don't call real people evil"; an alt-title is Villainous Crossdresser)
edited 19th Aug '15 7:55:58 PM by billybobfred
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No, the other one.
Yeah, that's pretty solidly in the nrlep category.
One question would be about news media using the trope to portray someone in a negative light. On one hand, they are using the trope, but on the other, it encourages other real life examples, and it's still being applied to real people, which isn't something I'm particularly inclined to spread, even if technically we're not the ones applying it to real people.
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Definitely.
As someone pointed out on the discussion page, African Terrorists has real life examples when both Far East Asian Terrorists and Western Terrorists are not allowed to. For the sake of consistency, I think we should remove its real life section as well. Sorry if this has been brought up before.
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Ungrateful Bastard seems morally neutral to me; while Example as a Thesis takes place in the definition, the examples display non-villains being the ungrateful characters.
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