Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
This is on the main description of TearJerker.Klaus 2019.
This feels like it was added by someone who is salty that CGI films are more popular than 2D, because a lot of those CGI Disney, Pixar, and Dreamworks films they mentioned have been critically-acclaimed in their own right.
At any rate, it’s not conducive to the page.
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I'd say cut it on all accounts. It doesn't introduce the moments as tear-jerkers, and backhandedly insults CGI films as having no noteworthy tearjerking moments in comparison (or implies those moments are formulaic).
In any case, there are a couple of complainy entries I've seen in Female Misogynist, particularly in the literature folder (my notes in bold):
- Anita Blake could be the Trope Namer for this one. Usually dresses in jeans and polo shirt, completely eschews makeup (but somehow always looks gorgeous), carries guns with an increasingly casual attitude towards shooting people who try to kill her/threaten her life/insult her in public/look at her funny, is surrounded by a male harem who are all forbidden to touch any other female so long as they are with her... after one of her early friendships is ended on a bizarre strawman incident, Anita is left with absolutely no female friends who are not subordinate to her in her massive multi-Pack/Coven hierarchy. Special props goes to her adventure in Las Vegas, where a female member of LVPD paves the way for a potentially lucrative sexual harassment for absolutely no reason at all. Entire online reviews have been devoted to Anita's blatant distaste for her own gender.
- She will also remind anyone who listens that she's One of the Boys and insists that no one call her "girl" or "ma'am" and is actually happy when someone calls her a guy or a "son of a bitch." To even begin unpeeling the problems with this mentality would take years.
- What makes this especially sad is that the early books of the series were widely applauded for featuring an incredibly strong female protagonist who could hold her own with tough, violent men. Unfortunately, one of the running themes now since Narcissus in Chains, the tenth book, is that anything feminine is weak and despicable and it's better to be seen as masculine.
- Jane Rizzoli of the Rizzoli & Isles series. Maura Isles seems to be the only woman she has any respect or affection for. All others earn nothing but contempt from her for being beautiful (making her friendship with Maura almost shocking, as Maura is an attractive woman), or daring to display a hint of weakness, fear, or any (supposedly) other typical female trait, or conversely, for refusing to show any vulnerability at all—in the first book, she takes an instant dislike to Dr. Catherine Cordell not only because she's pretty, but because she refuses to break down while recounting the night she was raped and nearly killed and she later makes an inexcusably crude comment regarding her partner's relationship with her—"falling for the same thing every guy falls for. Tits and ass." She would have raised hell with a man who said that, but somehow, it's acceptable for her to act this way. This character trait was tossed for the TV series. Not surprising, given that Rizzoli is played by the gorgeous Angie Harmon. (Last statement here is gushy as well, also implying novel-Rizzoli is only the way she is because she's less attractive than her show counterpart)
- Bella of Twilight fame is very much this - she loathes any women who ever acts on her emotions (despite acting almost exclusively on her own emotions) but excuses any inappropriate male behavior with the "he was angry/upset/overwhelmed" excuse. Women are expected to act rationally every single time, but men are allowed to indulge in their emotions. The only female characters who escape this are ones who worship her (and even then, only female vampires). (Feels like a byproduct of the "say the disliked novel is worse than it is" attitude some books get, especially during Twilight's heyday.)
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So, the newly launched Adaptational Weapon Swap has a haiku subpage already, but I'm concerned that the sole haiku there is kinda negative.
Changed to a long-stick, asked for
By whom, exactly?
Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Oct 17th 2021 at 8:04:11 AM
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Remove it nao!
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I found this in the description of VideoGame.Factorio. Does it count as complaining?
A demo is available on the Factorio website, with the full game available on the website, and from Steam, GOG and the Humble Store for €30/$30. Don't wait for a sale, the developers have a policy of never discounting the game.
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Doesn't sound like complaning, but it does sound unnecesary.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
I don't think we're even supposed to link to places to buy the game, as that would count as endorsement or something like that.
Space Gal
I recently took a look at the trope page for the film The Christmas Tree and, in my opinion, it seems to have a fair amount of complaining in it.
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Solsun added both the question and answer in Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics).
- Why does Shadow get treated like a joke or a glorified punching bag in the comics, despite in the games he is usually the mcs equal and is generqlly respected or feared by the majority of the cast?
- Ian secretly has distaste for the character hence all the taunts and jokes by Sonic and Rouge, hell even Knuckles rips into him.
Not only is this complaining, is slandering.
More info. He added this to Batman (bolded parts is them)
- Bat-Azrael was a darker, edgier, more brutish version of Batman, created to show what makes the true Batman not a vigilante. However, DC was ready to keep Azrael as Batman, if it sold well enough. Newflash it didnt and hes dead and doesnt exist.
Edited by Tomodachi on Oct 18th 2021 at 10:22:28 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
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The grammar is also really bad, and I'd say all of that can go for those reasons.
Isn't Sega the ones who mandated that Shadow be Flanderized into the joke/edgelord he is now? That's kind of a dumb assumption that Ian Flynn hates the character.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 18th 2021 at 2:53:44 PM
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Yes, Sega asked for Shadow to be written in a specific way in IDW, but the entry is about Archie comics, before the mandate became a thing.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Huh, I think I overlooked that this was Archie. Must be recency bias.
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Headscratchers aren't for meta questions. Those entries can go for that reason alone.
Never mind. Taking this to a different thread.
Edited by MrMediaGuy2 on Oct 19th 2021 at 11:42:54 AM
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Hello. In Team Four Star, we have this entry:
- Creator's Pest:
- The team aren't fond of Jiren, from Dragon Ball Super, disliking him due to just being a generic obstacle for Goku to overcome. Came to the point where in the epilogue for the Cell saga, Cell states that he considered naming himself that, but thought it sounded boring.
It's not so much complaining, but a misuse. The first entry is about Broly, a character they didn't create but did work with for their parody, thus allowing the entry to stay; TFS however never worked in DBS, and thus they may dislike Jiren, but they never worked with the character in question. A couple of take thats don't mean anything. Likewise, Jiren cannot be considered The Scrappy in the main article (and I tried creating an alternative called Reviewer Pest, but was shot down)
Can someone cut?
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This entry on Easter Egg, under the "Computer Software" folder, ends on a rather complainy note (emphasis mine):
- Most browser versions have a special response if you type "about:mozilla" in the address bar, reading verses from a fictional religious text called "The Book of Mozilla". Doing this in some versions of Internet Explorer, meanwhile, gets you a (false) Blue Screen of Death. And doing this in Pale Moon, a fork of Firefox, gets you a note of thanks to the original developers — and a lament at how Firefox was allowed to suck.
It originally said this, but I'm not used enough to Edit History to be able to figure out who changed it:
- The Mozilla and Firefox browsers have a special response to typing "about:mozilla" in the URL input, verses from a fictional religious text called "The Book of Mozilla". Doing this in some versions of Internet Explorer, meanwhile, gets you a (false) Blue Screen of Death.
- Pale Moon, a fork of Firefox, shows instead a note of thanks to the original developers, but also a lament for what it had become.note
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Well, the old one was a violation of Example Indentation, so no, don't change it back to that.
How about change "a lament at how Firefox was allowed to suck" to a more objective description of the text? ... Would help to know what the text was, to write that.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
"Doing this in Pale Moon, a fork of Firefox, gets you a note of thanks to the original developers, but also a lament at how Firefox adapted Google Chrome's more minimalistic design, at the cost of the browser's old user-friendly interface"?
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Plakis Morakis
Looking at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla#Pale_Moon Wikipedia]] page's information on Pale Moon's pages, it seems like there's been enough versions to split of the Pale Moon sentence into it's own entry.
RJ Savoy
Just be sure to get indentation right. Something like:
- Typing "about:Mozilla" into the address bar of various browsers brings up an Easter Egg that varies by the software used:
- Firefox...
- Explorer...
- Pale Moon...
VideoGame.Sonic The Hedgehog 2006
Could these be written to be any less complain-y?
- Plot Hole: This game is practically Swiss cheese with the amount of plot holes it has, but just one example involves Blaze asking Silver what he saw after returning from the past with Shadow. The problem? Blaze wasn't around to see Silver going back in time with Shadow, as she suddenly disappears shortly before Silver begins Radical Train!
- Another glaring one; what's stopping Mephiles from remerging with Iblis in the future? There's literally no reason given as to why Mephiles can't merge with Iblis then, and it'd be much easier than the complicated plot he actually used.
- Tech-Demo Game: Sega attempted to shove every "next gen" feature they could think of into the game, such as motion blurnote , real-time shadowsnote , and a physics engine. Unfortunately, people weren't impressed so much as annoyed by the primitive lighting, broken physics, and the massive slowdowns in Soleanna.
- Silver was created specifically to make use of the physics engine. It didn't work out well.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 21st 2021 at 6:49:28 AM
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That second entry doesn't even sound like it's an example.
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