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ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
uncertanSearcher Definitely Hatsune Miku from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
Definitely Hatsune Miku
#81277: Nov 25th 2023 at 8:30:01 AM

Which by extension means Ryu scales to every character in fiction.

Like, forget Fortnite scaling. Ryu has Family Guy scaling!

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AlicornGaia Adora, the High Priestess from Local sun temple Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
uncertanSearcher Definitely Hatsune Miku from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
Definitely Hatsune Miku
#81279: Nov 25th 2023 at 9:05:53 AM

Very simple, Ryu is in Fortnite which also has the TMNT in it who also appear as guest skins in Smite which has Sun Wukong as a playable character.

I didnt even need to think for that one.

Elmo3000 from UK Since: Jul, 2013
#81280: Nov 25th 2023 at 9:16:54 AM

Ryu is like the video game equivalent of 'Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon'. Speaking of which, since Kevin Bacon is a canon character in the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas Special, and Gamora and Rocket are both in Marvel VS Capcom Infinite, Ryu actually does scale to Kevin Bacon. And you don't even need to use Fortnite.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#81281: Nov 25th 2023 at 9:54:21 AM

Amazing

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#81282: Nov 25th 2023 at 4:01:18 PM

OK, but what is Ryu's Erdos Number?

WeirdnessDeity Perhaps a vapor of some kind instead of a person from All in that one place on the Grand Line Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Perhaps a vapor of some kind instead of a person
#81283: Nov 25th 2023 at 4:36:41 PM

Who was it that said they were part of the G1 blog? There’s a conundrum I wanted help with figuring out about Beelzemon vs Bass.EXE concerning Beelzemon against Giga Freeze.

ultimate_life_form resident girlfail (Searching for Spock)
resident girlfail
#81284: Nov 25th 2023 at 5:13:57 PM

You're not a part of the G1 blog, it's a lot more complicated then that.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#81285: Nov 25th 2023 at 6:00:27 PM

Alright I got one:

Matchups for this guy?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/flash_jay_garrick_0002_4.jpg

  • Slightly less BS than Barry Allen
  • POISE

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
Shoobedobah Anon Zilla from Guess Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#81286: Nov 25th 2023 at 6:51:08 PM

[up] I've seen people put him up against Hermes from Greek Mythos.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81287: Nov 25th 2023 at 6:52:06 PM

From what little I know about MHA, Gran Torino popped into my head as a decent matchup for Jay.

IIRC, Tiger & Bunny also has a "old school, semi-retired superhero who also mentors younger characters" type too.

For "completely different powers but matches well thematically" vibes, you could also do Peter B. Parker from the Spider-Verse films.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 25th 2023 at 6:55:08 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#81288: Nov 25th 2023 at 9:54:25 PM

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    Orochimaru 

Orochimaru

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  • Height: 172 - 179.5 cm (depending on host body)
  • Weight: 57.3 - 63.9 kg (depending on host body)
  • Gender: Genderfluid
  • Family:
    • Unnamed mother and father — birth parents (deceased)
    • Log — clone/son
    • Mizuki — clone/son
  • Background:
    • Born in Konoha
    • Parents died when he was young, leading to his obsession with immortality
    • Heralded as a prodigy, but had a sadistic personality even as a child
    • Became a student of Hiruzen Sarutobi alongside Jiraiya and Tsunade
    • Fought during the Second Ninja World War, earning the title of one of the Three Legendary Shinobi
    • Joined Anbu's Root division during and after the Third Ninja World War, secretly performing unethical experiments in pursuit of immortality with the backing of Danzo
      • Discovered and partially translated the Uchiha tablet, and began coveting the power of the Sage of Six Paths — hypothesizing he could obtain the Rinnegan by imbuing a member of the Uchiha clan who possessed the Sharingan with Hashirama Senju's biomass
      • Experimented with transplanting Hashirama's cells into infants, most of whom perished.
      • Learned how to perform Edo Tensei and developed Living Corpse Reincarnation
      • Located Ryūchi Cave and studied Senjutsu, but was unable to attain Sage Mode; developing the Cursed Seals as a workaround to let him survive should his body be killed
      • Recruited and trained Kabuto Yakushi to be his right hand
    • Fled Konoha after getting caught experimenting on babies and joined the terrorist organization Akatsuki, being partnered with Sasori
      • Attempted to steal Itachi Uchiha's body using Living Corpse Reincarnation to obtain his Sharingan, but was caught in Tsukuyomi and lost an arm, leading to him defecting.
    • Founded Otogakure and began plotting Konoha's downfall
      • Carried out experiments with the Cursed Seals to study and weaponize Jūgo's clan's Sage Transformation kekkei genkai
    • Operation Konoha Crush
      • Allied with Sunagakure's Fourth Kazekage
      • Marked Sasuke Uchiha with the Cursed Seal of Heaven during the Chūnin Exams
      • Assassinated the Third Hokage using Edo Tensei to summon the First and Second Hokages, but lost the use of his arms in the process
    • Recruited and trained Sasuke Uchiha for three years intending to take him as his new host body
    • Fought Naruto's four-tailed Version 2 form to a standstill while running on fumes
    • Attempted to take over Sasuke's body but was killed
    • Attempted to use the Cursed Seal to be reborn and take over Sasuke again, but was sealed away by Itachi
    • Attempted to take over Kabuto's body when he infused it with Orochimaru's flesh and blood
    • Was reborn through Anko's Cursed Seal of Heaven and a piece of Kabuto's flesh, then pulled a Hazy-Feel Turn by using Edo Tensei to summon the four deceased Hokage.
    • Took a White Zetsu as his new host body and attained immortality
    • Was placed under house arrest by Konoha, experimenting with cloning and creating a "son" named Mizuki
  • Powers:
    • Large chakra reserves able to create vortexes of wind and crack the stone around him
    • Superhuman strength, speed, agility, and durability — can knock down a tree with a single kick, survive getting blasted several hundred feet into a forest by Naruto's Version 1 Tailed Beast Shockwave, and intercepted Victor's Secretary mid-attack and effectively atomized her with a Blade Spam without even appearing to move.
    • Adept at taijutsu
    • Prodigal genius when it comes to ninjutsu
      • Can use Wind Release, Lightning Release, Earth Release, Water Release, Fire Release, Wood Release, Yin Release, and Yang Release
      • Transformation Technique lets him flawlessly impersonate others
      • Hiding in Surface Technique lets him phase through his surroundings
      • Five Elements Seal lets him seal an opponent's chakra
      • Unparalleled expert in clone techniques, medical ninjutsu, space-time ninjutsu, and barrier ninjutsu
      • Wind Release: Great Breakthrough lets him exhale hurricane-force winds
      • Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique lets him burrow through the ground
    • Power of the White Snake:
      • Implied to be the result of Orochimaru studying Snake Senjutsu at Ryūchi Cave
      • Can freely extend his neck, limbs, and body using Soft Physique Modification
      • Can regenerate minor wounds quickly
      • Can reattach severed body-parts using snakes using Gathering of Snakes
      • Can vomit a fully-healed body using the Body Replacement Technique
      • Can transform his lower body into that of a snake using Slithering Snake Mode
      • Can transform into a giant white snake comprised of smaller snakes
        • Has poisonous blood that produces paralyzing fumes
      • Can transform into a colossal snake-monster with eight heads and eight tails using the Eight Branches Technique
    • Living Corpse Reincarnation:
      • Transforming into his giant snake form, Orochimaru swallows his intended target and transfers his soul into their body, gaining any kekkei genkai they may have possessed on top of his own powers.
      • Can only be used once every three years, and incompatible host bodies will eventually degrade and develop necrosis
      • Can be reversed using a Sharingan, trapping Orochimaru's soul inside the user's body and giving them access to his powers
    • Cursed Seal Technique:
      • Orochimaru injects a target with his senjutsu chakra and an enzyme derived from Jūgo's Sage Transformation ability to mark them with a Cursed Seal
      • 90% fatality rate
      • Enable the user to undergo specialized Sage Transformations
      • Contain a copy of Orochimaru's consciousness that can be used to resurrect him
    • Kabuto's body modifications:
      • Sakon and Ukon's kekkei genkai, letting him merge his body with others' and destroy them from the inside-out
      • Jūgo's Clan's kekkei genkai, letting him passively absorb natural energy without relying on Senjutsu, and undergo Sage Transformation
      • Kimimaro's Shikotsumyaku kekkei genkai, letting him freely manipulate and weaponize his skeleton
      • Body Fluid Shedding Technique, adapted from Suigetsu Hōzuki''s Hydrification Technique, allowing him to liquify his body at-will
      • The Uzumaki Clan's immense chakra reserves and life-force
    • White Zetsu clone host body
      • Lets Orochimaru use Wood Release
      • Can nigh-instantaneously heal from injuries
      • No longer needs to eat or drink
    • Summons:
      • Snakes: Orochimaru formed a summoning contact with the ninja-snakes of Ryūchi Cave, enabling him to summon them to aid him in combat.
        • Hidden Shadow Snake Hands — The user either transforms their arms snakes or manifests snakes from their arms or shoulders
        • Formation of Ten Thousand Snakes — Orochimaru vomits hundreds — if not thousands — of snakes, which possess potent venom and can extend copies of the Kusanagi sword from their mouths
        • Binding Snake Glare Spell — Summons a pair of large snakes that immobilize up to two targets.
        • Manda — Summons a kaiju-sized black-striped purple snake with horns
      • Edo Tensei/Impure World Reincarnation — User summons a deceased person as a nigh-unstoppable undead under their control, though while they possess limitless chakra reserves they are not quite as powerful as they were in-life
        • Hashirama Senju — First Hokage
        • Tobirama Senju — Second Hokage
        • Tobirama Senju — Third Hokage
        • Minato Namikaze — Fourth Hokage
      • Rashōmon — A massive gate in the shape of an oni face that can withstand almost any attack, and inflicts damage back on those who attack it. Orochimaru can summon up to three at once, which can (barely) block Naruto's Version 2 Tailed Beast Bomb — which otherwise would've killed him.
  • Weapons:
    • Kusanagi
      • A katana or jian stored inside a snake that is in turn stored inside Orochimaru's body; can be manifested hilt or blade first
      • The blade can freely extend to enormous distances
      • Can be wielded telepathically
      • Can transform into a snake
    • Kunai
    • Shuriken

    Assassin (Fate/Samurai Remnant

Saburō Kōga

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  • Height: 220 cm
  • Weight: 170 kg
  • Gender: Male
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Family:
    • Unnamed mother and father — birth parents (deceased)
    • Five unnamed wives — spouses (deceased)
    • Yamata-no-Orochi / Ibuki — "Father"
    • Ibuki-dōji / Shuten-dōji — "Older Sister"
  • Background:
    • Legendary member of the Kōga ninja clan
    • Fell into the underworld and was cursed by the snake-god Ibuki, aka the Yamata-no-Orochi, turning him into a humanoid snake-demon
    • Was rescued by the Yamata-no-Orochi's Divided Spirit, Ibuki-dōji, who considers him her little brother as a result.
    • Worshipped as the kami Takeminakata at Suwa Shrine, a piece of which was used as his Catalyst
    • Was summoned by Dorothea Coyett, and is the most-powerful candidate for the Assassin class that could be summoned in the Waxing Moon Ritual
  • Powers, Abilities, & Techniques:
    • Servant Physiology:
      • A Heroic Spirit incarnated into a Material Body that is impervious to non-magical attacks, and possesses superhuman physical attributes that even Mages can't ordinarily overcome.
        • The only reason Iori Miyamoto is able to inflict Scratch Damage on Servants and monsters is because the Niten Ichiryū verges on the mystical, letting him slowly chip away at the dense shell of mystical energy surrounding them.
        • Even the weakest Servants (for example Caster (Gilles de Rais) with D-ranked Strength) can crush a human skull like an eggshell with their bare hands.
      • Can assume spirit form at-will to turn invisible and intangible, letting him and walk through walls.
      • Possesses a Spirit Core that anchors him to the physical world and must be destroyed to vanquish him — attacks to the head and heart being especially effective.
      • Is reliant on a Master to supply mana, and will quickly disappear without one.
    • Parameters:
      • Strength: B+
      • Endurance: C+
      • Agility A
      • Mana: C
      • Luck: EX
      • Noble Phantasm: B
    • Attacks:
      • Light Attack 1: Saburō swipes with his right arm, slashing opponents with his claws.
      • Light Attack 2: Saburō swipes with his left arm, slashing opponents with his claws.
      • Light Attack 3: Saburō spins and deals a backhanded strike with his right arm.
      • Light Attack 4: Saburō crouches and slashes upwards in a V-shape with his claws.
      • Light Attack 5: Saburō thrusts both arms outwards in a telescopic punch.
      • Heavy Attack 1: Saburō extends his right arm to punch at a distant opponent, and can follow up by grabbing them and retracting his arm, using the momentum to launch into a kick.
      • Heavy Attack 2: Saburō conjures a bunshin made of snake-god venom, which explodes into a poisonous cloud if attacked.
      • Heavy Attack 3: Saburō raises his right hand and summons a trio of Giant Phantom Snakes, which fight alongside him for a short while.
      • Heavy Attack 4: Saburō transforms his left hand into a serpent that spews a cone of venomous fumes.
      • Heavy Attack 5: Saburō slams his hands down onto the ground and summons the Snake-God, which bursts out of the ground in an arc before burrowing away.
    • Affinity Skills:
      • Shedding Skin: Saburō conjures four Shadow Clones, who throw a volley of kunai.
      • Twin Vipers: Saburō performs a Rapid-Fire Fisticuffs attack.
      • Snake Pit: Saburō burrows into the ground and tunnels under his opponent, unleashing a plume of venomous vapors.
      • Mishaguji's Blessing: Saburō performs hand-signs and invokes an ancient serpentine fertility god worshipped at Suwa Shrine to rapidly charge his Noble Phantasm
    • Summon Magic: Is able to channel the Yamata-no-Orochi's power to summon serpentine monsters.
      • Phantom Snakes — Giant snake-monsters with multiple eyes; are agile but not intelligent, and travel in large swarms. Their venom is not instantly fatal but required the intervention of a Caster-class Servant specializing in healing to nullify; and can be used to put others under Saburō's control.
      • Giant Phantom Snakes — Three-headed giant snake-monsters with a vestigial mouth at the end of their tails; smarter and more cunning than their lesser brethren, their venom — which can be injected via bite or spat as a Breath Weapon — can kill within moments, and even just standing in pools of it is extremely harmful. They lead swarms of lesser Phantom Snakes, and just one of them is powerful enough to bulldoze an entire town if left unchecked.
      • Unbound Giant Phantom Snake — A three-headed giant snake-monster no longer under Saburō's control, enabling it to grow even larger and more-powerful.
      • Snake-God — An enormous horned serpentine deity that is a manifestation of Saburō's curse; can rapidly burrow under the ground, vomit torrents of potent supernatural venom that leaves toxic pools on the ground, and knock back opponents just by roaring.
      • Great Orochi — A manifestation of the Yamata-no-Orochi formed from eight massive snake-monsters entwined together. Its regenerative abilities are such that it can rapidly heal from any attack that doesn't completely obliterate it.
    • Class Skills: Presence Concealment — A+
      • Hides his nature as a Servant so that even skilled mages and other Servants can't detect him, used to help disguise himself as a monk when accompanying Dorothea and to perform assassinations by turning invisible until the moment he strikes
    • Personal Skills: Divine Manifestation — B
      • A manifestation of the curse placed upon him by Ibuki, which turned him into a Semi-Divine Demon of Human Origin
      • Functions as a composite the skills Divinity, Morph, and Monstrous Strength:
        • Divinity denotates Saburo's status as a demigod due to being descended from the war-god Takeminakata, as well as a result of his curse from Ibuki; Lets him resist being mind-controlled
        • Morph enables Saburo to stretch and warp his limbs, transform them into serpents, and disguise himself as a human
        • Monstrous Strength temporarily boosts Saburo's Strength parameter by one level, granting him A-rank Strength when activated
    • Noble Phantasm: Incarnation: Omen of the Great God Ibuki
      • Rank: A+
      • Type: Transformation
      • Causes Saburō to transform into hybrid of human and snake-god, greatly boosting his Strength, Endurance, and Agility parameters
      • Countless phantasmal serpents coil around Saburō and form into an organic Mini-Mecha, with the Snake-God wrapped around it.
      • Covers him in scales that are impervious to attacks not imbued with Divinity or god-slaying properties
      • Gives him an inherit advantage against humans and humanoid beings
      • The longer he spends in this form the more bloodthirsty and monstrous he will become, eventually losing his sense of self and becoming a rampaging predatory divine beast

I still think this would be a really cool and fitting matchup given they're both evil snake-ninja.

Edited by Arawn999 on Feb 14th 2024 at 4:19:02 AM

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#81289: Nov 25th 2023 at 10:31:05 PM

Ooooh, I had a fun idea for a fight.

Dr. Nefarious from Ratchet and Clank vs. Zerg from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.

Robotic space emperors who associate solely with robotic minions. May appear bumbling on the surface but show surprising cunning and menace when underestimated. Their common nemesis is a galactic faring hero.

I was trying for the longest time to think of a way to get Ratchet and Clank back on the show and this was my best shot. Only thing is I am unfamiliar with what kinda of feats Zerg has to compare him to Nefarious. I'd say Nefarious' defenses scale reasonably well to the weapons Ratchet has used on him at the very least, plus he's got a lot of big guns like the Biobliterator, his space station from a Crack in Time, and his force field.

AlicornGaia Adora, the High Priestess from Local sun temple Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
Adora, the High Priestess
#81290: Nov 25th 2023 at 10:41:31 PM

Now I hope for next season we would have an assassin's creed protagonist fight someone... but unless you all want each of them to fight each other in a battle royale I have no clue who. Maybe Hassan? Then again...

Edited by AlicornGaia on Nov 26th 2023 at 2:41:41 AM

"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."
ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#81291: Nov 25th 2023 at 10:42:38 PM

[up]I'm fairly certain The Old Man of the Mountain could fight every single character in the entire Assassin's Creed franchise at once and win.

[up][up] Oooooh they better have some insane dialogue ready if they want to do that match. cool

Edited by ShirowShirow on Nov 25th 2023 at 6:45:56 PM

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#81292: Nov 25th 2023 at 10:47:03 PM

Oh yeah the back and forth between Nefarious and Zerg would be ASTOUNDING.

I'd pay good bucks to see Zerg react to Nefarious' short-circuiting into the Soap Opera.

WeirdnessDeity Perhaps a vapor of some kind instead of a person from All in that one place on the Grand Line Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Perhaps a vapor of some kind instead of a person
#81293: Nov 26th 2023 at 7:19:31 AM

[up]@ultimate Sorry, i didn’t mean I wanted to run it through all the blog or anything, I just wanted to ask your personal opinion based on experience.

Witherbrine98 Since: May, 2016
#81294: Nov 26th 2023 at 12:46:28 PM

I'm just gonna post a REALLY crack-y match-up here, so feel free to roast me for it:

Captain Olimar vs. Papa Smurf

Tiny leader figures who lead a large group of mostly-harmless creatures (Pikmin & Smurfs) and sometimes have to deal with larger creatures (PNF-404's wildlife vs. Gargamel, Big Mouth, Hogatha, etc.). Despite their being leadership, they're still more than capable of pulling their own weight somewhat (Olimar can punch hard enough to break pebbles [boulders from his perspective] and the carapace of larger insects, Papa Smurf is a master practitioner of magic).

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#81295: Nov 26th 2023 at 1:11:44 PM

What on earth about that matchup is crack-y. That's the first matchup for Olimar I like and the only valid matchup for a Smurf I've ever seen.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 26th 2023 at 4:12:14 AM

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#81296: Nov 26th 2023 at 2:39:40 PM

Yeah I'm putting that fight on my wishlist.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#81297: Nov 26th 2023 at 3:00:03 PM

Its got an east vs west theme going, and for fight potential imagine an army of smurfs going up against the multi-colored Pikmin pods.

Hell I'm a throw that into their Twitter and see what comes out of it.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
Witherbrine98 Since: May, 2016
#81298: Nov 26th 2023 at 3:02:49 PM

[up][up][up] I just felt it was VERY unconventional as far as match-ups go. Glad there's some appreciation for this match-up, though.

Edited by Witherbrine98 on Nov 26th 2023 at 3:03:02 AM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#81299: Nov 27th 2023 at 3:19:33 AM

Unconventional matchups are the better ones. Going along with everybody else and appealing the mainstream is for chumps.

Unless you're working for a profit, no, in that event, make the Goku vs Superman 3.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 27th 2023 at 12:47:15 PM

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#81300: Nov 27th 2023 at 9:46:21 AM

Johnny Cage vs Lucas Lee.

Two egotistical actors whose arrogance belies impressive power and fighting skill. Lucas can be seen as Johnny's Shadow Archetype and the guy who played Lucas in the movie also played an arrogant, womanizing glory hound named Johnny.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 27th 2023 at 6:46:39 PM


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