DEATH BATTLE

• Byakuya - Gaara of the Desert or Itachi Uchiha, Chrom, Winter Schnee, Berserker or Saber Lancelot

• Grimmjow - Younger Toguro, Rob Lucci, Zebra

• Hitsugaya - Child Emperor

• Kisuke - Nitori Kawashiro, Jiraiya

• Rukia - Misaka Mikoto, Sakura Haruno, Rin Tohsaka, Youmu Konpaku, Elina Vance or Claudette Vance

• Renji - Roronoa Zoro, Jean Pierre Polnereff, Knuckles the Echidna

I know I had dozens more ideas... but its almost 4 am so I can't think properly

Edited by Silverfan on Feb 27th 2020 at 3:48:18 PM

Gaara, Winter and Itachi I understand but why Chrom, Berserker or Saber Lancelot?

Why Zebra for Grimmjow?

Child Emperor seems too disadvantaged for Toshiro. He might make for a good opponent against Jimmy Neutron or Dexter though.

Why Nitori for Kisuke? (Sorry not very familiar with Touhou).

Edited by windleopard on Feb 27th 2020 at 5:31:28 AM

She’s an inventor

Although touhou kappa are inventors in the way that Warcraft goblins are

For the upcoming fight, my money's on War Machine. War Machine is a Marvel character who's been the star of his own solo series and had multiple team appearances in addition to the supporting stuff he's done for Iron Man. He's kind of a big deal superhero, so I have no doubt that he's got some crazy f*cking shit in his Feats List.

Genos, however, is a supporting character for One-Punch Man. We talked about this back when Tatsumaki fought Mob; in battle shonen, supporting protagonists usually have their limitations pegged to the main hero. You can be as tough as you want to be, so long as you don't surpass the main guy.

On paper, that seemed like Mob's advantage, since he was' his series's main guy, but OPM is weird about that. The main guy's strength is limitless''. His whole concept is that he can obliterate any foe in a single punch, no matter how big or bad they are. That's what Saitama's series sets as the "Do Not Cross" line: you don't get to be tough enough that Saitama can't obliterate you in one punch.

And since the "things Saitama can obliterate with one punch" list consists of literally everything, that functionally means that OPM characters are under zero restrictions for how strong they're allowed to become relative to the protagonist. There is no supporting cast disadvantage when it comes to OPM characters pulling out cool feats. Their writer can freely have them do whatever awesome super-thing they want and never worry about how it affects the power hierarchy between protagonist and supports.

OPM characters don't have to keep their feats in line with Saitama's. Instead, the relationship works the other way around. Any feat they pull off, by association, automatically comes packaged with a Saitama feat. Saitama's feat is the implication that whoever just did that cool thing still can't take a punch from him, not even once. That's just how it works in OPM.

So Genos has that to his advantage in terms of cultivating feats.

But OPM is very terrestrial in scope, and I think that's War Machine's edge here. Superhero comics pit all of their characters against weird cosmic shit all the time. I'd be surprised if War Machine hasn't arm-wrestled the metaphysical embodiment of time and space or some shit at least once in his career. Marvel isn't as hyperbolic as DC in that regard, but it's still up there.

Plus, despite everything I just said about OPM's supporting characters having no restrictions for the feats they're allowed to display, Genos's drawback is that he's Genos. He's Saitama's hype man. 90% of his screentime in combat is going, "Master, let me handle this," and then promptly being turned into modern art by whatever adversary is about to get The Punch. So that really doesn't bode well for his chances of taking down an Actual Comic Book Superhero.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 27th 2020 at 8:15:15 AM

"Marvel hasn't been as Hyperbolic as DC"

Actually, they tend to be MO Re hyperbolic then DC most of the time, but instead of earth based heroes being portrayed like (for the most part) its their cosmic space themed characters like Gladiator, The Celestials, The Eternals, Galactus and Power cosmic wielders, And various others tend to be much more plentiful compared to the relatively smaller handful from DC (The New Gods, the Endless)

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Feb 27th 2020 at 10:56:50 AM

Tobias has been pushing this "DC characters are more OP" thing for years now on this board despite it being far from true.

Thanks.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 27th 2020 at 8:53:11 AM

Isn't that the reverse?

The basic difference is "Earth based DC heroes are more powerful then Marvel's, but Cosmic entities in Marvel are overall more powerful and plentiful then in DC."

War Machine. Is. Not. A. Cosmic Level Being.

Genos gets his ass handed to him on a constant level, yes he is there to be Saitama's hype man... But that's more downplaying the level of threats he has to deal with. He would have defeated that Deepsea King had he not tried to spray acid on a little girl, his fight with Sonic were about a stalemate and Sonic is pretty damn strong foe, he got his ass handed to Saitama, but again it's Saitama. In his fight with Sonic, he got the guy off guard, showing that his speed is incredible.

Admittedly, I don't know much about War Machine outside the MCU, but it's clear as day he's not on the level of Cosmic or even Planet level of power. "Arm Wrestling the embodiment of space and time" might be a joke, but a bigger joke is thinking War Machine even stood a chance to entertain that Embodiment.

An important clarification about Saitama's "can end anyone with one punch": It's kind of standard fare for the biggest and baddest villain of a given arc to prove that they're actually not only in a league of their own but are well above almost any possible villain that Saitama has ever face by more or less no-selling the strongest attack that he had been using as a One-Hit Kill until then... only for Saitama to reveal that he's been holding back the entire time and kick it up a notch.

Like, you can no-sell a "normal" punch? The Consecutive Normal Punch will obliterate you nigh-instantaneously. You can tank that too? He'll just use a Serious Series move, then... and don't let the "Serious" in the name fool you into thinking that he's gone all out, because going by Boros' final words, Saitama was nowhere near using even a sizeable fraction of his full power with the Serious Punch that cleaved both his planet-busting Kamehame Hadoken and the cloudy sky in half for hundreds if not thousands of kilometers.

Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 27th 2020 at 9:23:25 PM

To be honest, while is it certainly possible that Boros at full power was capable of blowing up planets, that final attack wasn't. (If it was, Saitama deflecting it like he did would probably wipe out a good chunk of the Earth's atmosphere and the majority of life on the planet with it.) It isn't hard to figure out why, given Boros was running on fumes after going multiple rounds with Saitama. I'd peg Boros's final attack at city buster levels.

A better feat for measuring Saitama would probably be calculating his jump from the moon to the Earth in that same fight. They can measure the excess energy of the shockwave that he created on the moon by its width, and they know that the force of his landing impact on Boros's ship is almost certainly less than that of Tatsumaki's maximum output (since other heroes nearby credited her with the ship listing, which was from the impact). And since Tatsumaki was already calculated...

Rhodey's definitely not cosmic tier.

However, he has managed to survive being tossed through a mountain by the Mandarin. The earthquake caused by that could be felt 7000 miles away.

Don't watch much anime, so I don't know how Genos stacks up.

I admit that calling it "planet-busting" technically only applies to the anime, because what Boros said in the manga is that it will wipe out all life from the surface of the planet. That said, I don't know where you're getting that Boros was running on fumes; all he said was that using his One-Winged Angel mode significantly cuts into his overall lifespan, and he appeared to be no less strong after blasting Saitama to the Moon than he was beforehand, it's just that Saitama stopped messing around and is no longer letting the blows knock him around. Also, it's an anime world that clearly doesn't stick too closely to our laws of physics; don't get too hung up on the details of what Saitama's counterattack should have done if we take Boros' planet-busting claim at face value ^note which we should take at face value in the absence of explicit evidence to the contrary.

Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 27th 2020 at 10:15:57 PM

Genos took being in front of Saitama's "Death" Punch that caused so much force that it destroyed the mountain behind him and even destroyed some clouds (Or ripped them apart), meaning it's pretty damn powerful and yes we don't know how powerful of hit he really took, it's damn impressive to stand there and not move an inch backwards.

So it's safe to say they can tank some massive damage.

Didn't say he was. I said superhero characters get into cosmic-level shit all the time. Like that time Black Panther beat up the Silver Surfer by using wrestling moves on him. Or that time Black Canary over in DC killed Amazo.

Comic book superheroes have feat lists full of crazy shit. Their day to day lives tend to go

• Had an epic throwdown with a powerless knife murderer. Nearly lost.
• Ran to Kansas and back in a day.
• Fought bank robbers.
• Arm wrestled with the physical embodiment of time to prevent the obliteration of all universes and won by outmuscling time itself.
• Got my ass kicked by a rhino.

Etc. etc. Comics are nuts. One day you're having trouble dodging boomerangs from a guy in blue underpants and the next day you're resetting the entire universe by running faster than time. And then tomorrow the boomerang guy comes back and kicks your ass.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 27th 2020 at 12:39:22 PM

Actually, that one scene of Black Panther "Out Wrestling" Silver Surfer was just Silver Surfer letting him. The next scene of the comic was BP and The Thing getting destroyed by Stardust, all the while a Calm SS told him to stop, saying Ben Grimm was a friend, He just wanted answers from BP, so he let himself be caught.

Besides the point on whether that really should be taken into account, given how Black Panther never shown any strength or feats that would support this, given how SS could.

Yeah, when Tobias says DC has more "hyperbole", he's not saying DC's cosmics are more powerful than Marvel's cosmics. He's saying DC's characters punch above their weight (in other words, perform feats they logically shouldn't be able to perform) more often than Marvel's do.

Like Wonder Woman struggling against some average robot, only to then block trillions of interstellar bullets within the same second. Or Batman being able to hide from Superman, who can hear heartbeats. Speaking of him, there's a story where Superman goes to a parallel Earth, immediately hears every single heartbeat in the world, and declares that the person he's looking for isn't hiding in this dimension (because heartbeats are like fingerprints, apparently?). In another, he can supposedly hear every single conversation in the world, but also not notice a group of people living in the sewers (in the same chapter).

Shit like this is what Tobias means, ridiculous feats coming from characters who shouldn't be able to perform them. It definitely feels like DC pulls this more often than Marvel (even if Marvel also has their fair share of, say, Magneto rearranging the Earth's electromagnetic field on a whim).

That said, War Machine has a cap: by all means, he's a supporting character to (and basically an Echo Fighter of) Iron Man, which means he can't surpass him in any major way. Maybe he's got more missiles or something, but speed and toughness are likely on-par, if not lower. I'm guessing, that mountain/earthquake feat is as good as it gets for him.

By comparison, Genos took a gust to the face that rearranged the geography of a wasteland. And someone mentioned he can control a severed arm? That's something Rhodey can't do, you tear a piece of his armour apart, he's done.

I think I'm betting on Genos for this one.

Considering the fact that Genos's other matches were probably Cyborg and Android 17. War Machine is probably his best outcome.

Like even if he loses, he at least had a fighting chance against Rhodey.

Which armor are they gonna give Rhodey? Coz like Ironman, he goes through a lot of them.

Likely his most powerful/recent armour from the comics and/or MCU.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but unlike Stark it seems like Rhodey's armors are all linear upgrades over each other with each one packing all of last year's features and then some.

So I think in his case they'd just use the most recent and thus strongest/most-equipped armor.

That is more Rhodey's style, yeah. Stark likes to slim down a bit every once in awhile to innovate while War Machine often just stacks guns onto guns. Comics going on as long as they have though you got a bit of both going on.

I think Genos has this though. He's casually annihilated mountains. And he definitely has the advantage in melee.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Feb 27th 2020 at 4:52:35 AM

There's that time Rhodey annihilated an entire Skrull warfleet solo using the Satellite suit. He's also tanked a nuke. IIRC also one of his armor can become intangible.

That Nuke feat might be enough to give War Machine the Durability advantage, but at the same time, can he take hits like that repeatedly?

Iron Man has tanked Nuke feats before as well, so it's a definite feat that he would give Rhodey that same treatment, but the biggest question will be if Genos can wear the War Machine suit down to the point of breaking it?

If he can, he wins, as Rhodes is done for without the suit, if he can't, War Machine takes it.

Looking around, Rhodey's got some pretty good durability feat. Besides the nuke, he's tanked hits from Red Hulk, and gone blow for blow with Carol Danvers. One of his armor generated a forcefield that could stop Valkyrie's sword, Dragonfang. Plus intangibility is kind of a trump card for any durability feat. Doesn't matter how hard one hits if the attack can't affect the target.