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     Not that big a catastrophe, apparently 
  • In Ike's Radiant Dawn ending, it was noted he went to lands unknown. How could he do that, when Telius was the only one left due to the great flood?
    • It could simply mean he went on a journey and disappeared from the limelight. It doesn't necessarily mean he went to other continents.

     Shoulda got that in writing 
  • The Blood Pact in Radiant Dawn. On Chapter 3-13, it said that "the blood pact breaks when the pact-maker is killed by a third party". So why doesn't pact-maker Pelleas secretly make a suicide attack on a neutral country like, say, Goldoa, or something of the like, instead of having Micaiah or Tauroneo kill him? Which I knew from a mile away wouldn't work, as the two are from Daein.
    • Going further in the game might clear that up. However, the possibility you suggest, while interesting, is made extremely impractical by geographical realities of Tellius. Daein and Goldoa are very, very distant.
    • So? It's not like there aren't other "third parties" you couldn't hire to off yourself, like Volke. Pelleas is a king, I'm pretty sure he has the resources to pull this off
    • No no. Anyone besides the two people that signed the "blood pact" counts as a third party, but the third party simply killing one of the pact makers wouldn't be sufficient. One of the pact makers needs to be killed, and the blood pact/contract itself destroyed. Of course, speaking of Volke, that does raise the option of sending Volke on an assassination/recovery mission against Lekain...
      • Except even if Pelleas learned of Volke through Sothe or whoever, Volke was already busy at the time. Bastian had already hired Volke to hunt down the renegade Izuka.

     What happened to the Axe General? 
  • In Radiant Dawn, after Part 2, what happened to Ludveck anyway? Last time we saw him, he was in prison, then nothing.
    • It's probable that he was tried for high treason and then killed.
    • Along that note, Elincia informs Ike that she is going to have the entire rebel army eradicated, so it stands to reason their leader would be part of that group.

     Really shoulda got it in writing 
  • Again in RD, what was up with Naesala's Blood Pact? He destroyed it and was freed, no dying involved.
    • Same as the other pact, only one of the signers needs to be killed, and that boss battle seems to have killed the other.
    • That pact was made between Naesala and Lekain. A third party (i.e. your Endgame party) killed one of the signers (Lekain), and the paper was presumably destroyed, so Naesala's free.
      • The pact was actually between Lekain and the former king of Kilvas, whom Naesala succeeded. (So Naesala inherited the old king's blood pact mark, just as Micaiah did.) The rest of the above point still stands, though.
      • Which begs the question...what would happen if you used Pelleas to kill Lekain in 4-E-1 in a second playthrough?
      • Probably the same if you use Naesala: Nothing.
      • Technicality. The writing says that Naesala has to obey and fulfill the orders of Bengion's ruler. They got around it by Sanaki claiming authority.

     Blood Pacts; endless sources of head scratching 
  • This is much, much closer to Fridge Logic than a Headscratcher, but I'm trying to wrap my head around exactly who would be magically bound by a Blood Pact (i.e. the citizens, not the actual pactmakers) and how they would be bound. It would absolutely have to involve a person's genetics and heritage to avoid an extremely cheap copout such as "Okay, today we're changing the country's name so that we are all not citizens of X anymore." or "Today, I'm officially dissolving the country of X. Call yourselves whatever you want, go to other countries, etc." I would also imagine that it would not simply involve killing everyone who happened to be within that country's boundaries in order to avoid killing innocent foreigners and/or the king/queen from merely evacuating everyone to safety. So, wouldn't the blood pact then affect everyone on the continent that was born of Daein blood? Which would naturally include people like Ike and Mist (full-blooded Daein) and Soren (half)?
    • The spell probably determines the whole thing on a variety of factors, like how long someone has lived in a country, whether they and others consider them citizens of that country, where they are born, from who and so on. And even if they called the country into nonexistence or something, that wouldn't work. Either the curse was launched already anyway and won't go away with just that, or the spell simply uses subconscious truths instead. Even if people dissolve the country, they would still be of that nationality by their history, culture, and "in their hearts", so the spell wouldn't be deceived by such a cheap trick. As for Ike and the rest, heritage or not, they probably either count as Crimeans or have no official nationality because they're travelling mercenaries.

     Maybe he's a distant relative of Samus? 
  • In FE10, why did NoA change Brad to Aran, aside from the fact that it creates a few issues because an Aran already existed in the series (one that would appear in the next English-released game, no less), but Brad is a name that is common in English!
    • English names are chosen for Japanese game characters to make them sound foreign, exotic or mysterious — compare Terra from Final Fantasy VI, whose Japanese character name was Tina. Thus, when translating the game, often-times English-origin names are swapped out for names that are more foreign to the English audience, to maintain the intended effect.
      • Because a minor character with less than 2 dozen lines is named as such to be exotic (not to mention Brad isn't any more or less exotic than Aran); another question, why not take the simpler route and call FE11's Arran Alan after they fubared?
      • What is this mysterious Fire Emblem 11 people keep talking about? A remake is not enough to justify a new number, people. Otherwise Final Fantasy would be on FF 1 Million by now.
      • Do you really want to hold up FF versioning as the standard? Can you imagine FE7 as FE6-2 or FE6 Ante?
      • Well, A) This series has eleven entries with no spinoffs, so it's not really a big deal, and B) under that logic, the first half of FE3 doesn't count as its own game, so only half the game gets a number.
      • Also, Fire Emblem games, unlike Final Fantasy, don't have numbers, they have subtitles (except the first North American release, but I digress). Calling a game "FE11" or "FE7" is just fan shorthand. It's not official in any capacity.
    • As to the original JBM: While Fire Emblem usually abides by One Steve Limit within each individual game, and there isn't a lot of crossover of names between games, it is not out of the question for characters who inhabit two different universes (probably) to have similar names. Anyway, despite their similar names, there is a difference between them, so people won't mistake which game you're talking about unless you're an awful typist.

     Ena's tiny baby 
  • The dragon tribe ages slower than normal. But in Ena's ending for FE10, she apparently gives birth to her fiance's child, a several year long pregnancy with no outward signs.
    • Also, when Dheginsea is one of the couple's parents, how is premarital sex allowed?
    • Honestly, does that ever stop people?
    • Also, do human social customs apply to dragons in a fictional world?
    • Probably because Humanoid Alternate Form does not necessarily equal human biology, too. Just because they can look like us, does not mean things are the same as us.
      • In other words, she laid eggs.
      • The Bird Tribe Laguz don't lay eggs, and Almedha didn't lay an egg (though that may have had more to do with the fact that it was a human who got her pregnant. Nevertheless, if the birds don't lay eggs, the lizards probably don't either.)
    • It's even longer than it sounds. If you take the fact that Rajaion went to save his nephew when he was very young (because that's when Almedha saw him last), and he's around 18 at the end of Radiant Dawn, and Ena didn't have any chance for conception in those 18 years (after around 13-14 Rajaion dies as Ashnard's mount, and assume there aren't any other real chances otherwise, as he's being confined), she would have been pregnant for around 18 years without showing, as far as we can tell, any outward sign whatsoever.
      • Not necessarily. Rajaion didn't die as Ashnard's mount; the Heron siblings cured him first. And given what their cure did for Serenes Forest (i.e. heal all the trees and make them spill a whole bunch of pollen), it may well have made Rajaion spill HIS pollen too. For Ena to get pregnant, all she needed was a handful of that stuff... but she'd still be pregnant for at least three years without showing...
      • And another thing: Rajaion left Goldoa to look for his nephew "some nineteen years ago" according to Ena at the end of Path of Radiance, so Rajaion's nephew must have been 19 in POR and 22 in RD.
      • In my humble opinion, Kurth just knocked up his brother's fiance after the tower of guidance battle and named the kid after his brother to ease his own guilt.

     Down with the Apostle! 
  • In Radiant Dawn, why the HELL did Micaiah order the Apostle's Pegasus to be shot down? Yeah, great idea, kill the only hope you might have for a free world. Hope you have a plan to deal with the hordes of Begnion tropes that the Senate will send even if you do succeed! Furthermore, why did Ike just let Micaiah go anyway? She ordered her troops to kill the apostle! I think that would be a good reason to capture her and hold her hostage! So what if Sanaki said "No more bloodshed", she's a massive danger! Finally, what was the point of Sephiran's rebellion in the capital? How did that fit into his plan of awakening Ashera?
    • It is how he gets out of jail to carry on his plans. Hard to awaken a goddess in a jail cell.
      • But then why start the rebellion?
      • Rebellions bring fighting and death. Fighting and death produces chaos energy. Sephiran thought that Micaiah had died along with her grandmother, leaving no one capable of singing the Galdr of Release, leaving a spike in Tellius' chaos energy the only way to awaken Yune and Ashera.
    • On the Shooting down the Apostle note: The senate wants nothing less than the eradication of the Apostle's army and have forced Daein and therefore Micaiah into doing just that with a blood pact. As for why Micaiah was left to go free, the scenario at 3-12 actually turns into a mexican standoff of sorts. If Ike doesn't back down, he risks Micaiah actually shouting "Fire!" and killing the apostle, whereas if Micaiah doesn't back down, she risks her own life as well as Sothe's. Sanakai's cease-fire defused what was a lose/lose situation for both sides.

     Killing everyone =/= destruction? 
  • In Radiant Dawn, one of the weapons twins comes up to Micaiah and says "At least Ashnard never tried to destroy Crimea as a country!" Except he did! Twice! Both by invading them and killing everyone (the townspeople whose houses you enter in Path of Radiance praise you for saving them from extinction) and by trying to cause a world war so that the dark goddess would awaken and wipe everyone out! Even if the convoy workers didn't know the second, they should at least know the first!
    • Perhaps they value putting every able bodied man in a work camp as further over the moral event horizon than just killing everyone.
      • While this point is agreed with, it just struck this troper as being a lame way to try to get the player to stop thinking "Why am I helping these people? I spent the entirety of the last game trying to stop them from destroying the world!" Silly game; it didn't work. I still felt no regret wiping the floor with them later in the game, no matter how often they say Ashnard wasn't that bad, because he was that bad.
      • Pelleas tries his best to completely seperate himself from Ashnard's legacy; Ashnard was a monster. Also as for the merchant convoy, they first get found in jail with Kurthanga with very little reason why, tending to cloud their opinions on what is the lesser of two evils.
      • I'm with the original response, actually. To expand: there is a major difference between what Ashnard did to Crimea and what the Begnion Senate did to Daein. Crimea was invaded with its government forced into inactivity and the citizens treated like they always were before the attack, only with foreign troops patrolling on occasion to watch for rebellion; similar to Germany's takeover of France in World War II. As for what happened with Begnion's subjugation, it was quite different: Begnion troops were enforcing their own rule of law onto innocent civilians, forcing anyone and everyone with any sign of defiance into concentration camps, if not outright slaughtering them in broad daylight; allowing poverty and thievery to occur unchecked, and ensuring that not a single bit of this information would reach the knowledge of anyone who could interfere or stop this injustice, just like what happened to Germany during the Cold War. In fact, I'd say that the entire basis of Part I of FE10 was an Anvilicious allusion to the difference between WWII Germany and the Soviet Union.

     Just E10? 
  • Why in the world was Radiant Dawn not rated T? It was arguably the darkest FE to date, the opening cinema has Sothe stab a guy in the neck, it's the first Western FE translation to favor "damn it!" instead of the series' traditional use of "blast!", it had premarital sex (Ena giving birth to Raijaion's babies despite him only being her "fiancé", Almedha admitting there was no love between her and Ashnard, only lust which resulted in a child), and the usual death and murder themes that are common in the series. And it got a E10 rating. While a game about a pink puffball fighting Pikachu gets a T rating instead.
    • Because it's told with mostly static sprites on a background with characters talking. Since there's no blood, actually sexually charged scenes, etc., the ESRB isn't as offended. It's the same reason books get away with a crapload more then TV.
    • What bugs me more about this is the fact that Radiant Dawn wasn't rated T but Path of Radiance WAS. Path of Radiance said ONE swear word in a hard to find place and made an ambiguous reference to alcoholism. Radiant Dawn said SEVERAL in CUTSCENES and made an explicit reference to alcoholism, plus all the premarital sex and the sex jokes.
      • The ESRB started the E10 rating in 2005, Po R was also released in 2005... maybe it was released before the rating existed. Also, Smash Bros lets you hit kids with a baseball bat, so while the themes aren't a serious, there's a good dose of violence.
    • This is sort of interesting. In PAL regions, Path of Radiance had a 7+ rating while Radiant Dawn was rated 12+ .
      • What the hell, Radiant Dawn gets an A rating in Japan anyway?
      • The Japanese probably don't care about that kind of stuff too much.
      • Clearly not, seeing as they freely use the Japanese equivalent for "shit" as loosely as possible even in kodomo manga. Also, FE4.

     Seriously, this thing is really confusing 
  • Why is it that, if you use Naesala to kill Lekain in the Endgame of Radiant Dawn, his Blood Pact is still destroyed? I didn't think descendants counted as third parties.
    • Naesala is the King of Kilvas. The Blood Pact was signed by a former King of Kilvas. I suspect that as far as Blood Pact magic is concerned, it basically makes them the same person. It fits in with the themes of 'rightful king' of RD.
      • But if they essentially counted as the same, then he definitely shouldn't have counted as a third party, and his killing Lekain shouldn't have allowed him to destroy the pact.
      • Gameplay and Story Segregation
      • Phoenicis and Kilvas are republics under the guise of monarchal names. In Path of Radiance, it is said that they choose kings "based on strength", which means that Naesala probably had no relation to the King who signed the blood pact, and was only taking responsibility for it because he was ruling the country.

     Tellius is just full of these, isn't it? 
  • The Branded. Begnion tells the people that Laguz and Beorc are not supposed to interbreed by Ashera's Rules, which is why the Branded have their marks and the Laguz parent loses her transformation ability. However, Yune tells Ashera "something that she does not yet know" before the final battle, which is that the two species can indeed crossbreed. If Ashera didn't know that and it is not by her will that the Branded are branded, then why are they? Or, moreso, why are the Laguz unable to transform after having a child with a Beorc? Without divine intervention, the Branded-and-Special-Ability-Thing can still be explaind by the Laguz blood being magical and such, but why would the Laguz parent lose abilities in that process?
    • Ashera was asleep before the first Beroc and Laguz couple mated so she wouldn't know about them, as for them losing thier powers it may be a sort of thing so the parents could raise the child on equal terms. Or the Goddess didn't run a debug script when creating the two.
      • Well it is made clear that even Ashunera is not a perfect being. It's also clearly stated by Yune that the beorc and laguz were not created. The Zunanma evolved on their own out of a desire to be like their goddess and then they continued to evolve from there into beorc and laguz. Aside from being the reason why the branded were a complete unknown to the goddesses, it's also the reason why there were beorc and laguz that weren't affected by Ashera's judgment in spite of being no where near Yune.
    • It's possible that the whole "One of Ashera's rules is that Laguz and Beorc can't do the naughty" was simply made up by a prejudiced Begnion Senator or priest. Considering how racist everyone was, it doesn't seem to unlikely.
      • Actually, it was the three heroes who were terrified of what may happen if the fate of the laguz parent became public knowledge.

     Well, we haven't known each other that long 
  • Why wasn't there a bond support between Aran and Laura or Edward and Leonardo?
    • All four are rather young, and have only experience with skirmishes; Bond supports seem to imply long-lasting comradeship, familial ties, or deep love. Although I certainly wouldn't have minded some extra critical bonuses on the Dawn Brigade...
    • For Aran and Laura, "Knew each other before the game" is most of their backstory, and Aran defects from Begnion to Daein specifically to help Laura. It certainly seemed like they were close.

    Micaiah's hair 
  • Micaiah's white/silver hair. Yes, she is a heron branded, but said heron was a BLACK heron, not a white Heron — if anything, she should've had BLACK hair. Heck, it would make more sense for her to have green hair, what with being related to Soan, and even Yune can't be used as an excuse as Yune has red hair.
    • Well, she isn't related to Soan, she's the descendant of Altina and Lehran. But the rest of it... you have a point. We only see Altina in a picture and she also has black hair. And Sanaki, Micaiah's sister, has purple hair. So, maybe calling her "The Black-Haired Maiden" just isn't as special sounding?
      • She is so many generations removed from Lehran and Altina that it would be highly unusual if she DID look just like either of them. Maybe the gene for silver hair was introduced through an ancestor not related to Lehran or Altina?
    • Maybe it was a mutation? Maybe it turned that way after living a stressful life (though it would be more likely to fall out).

    Micaiah and Sephiran 
  • This is full of spoilers and my thoughts, so humor me please: I'm playing the game again, and short of "because if Micaiah is alone in 1-9 she will definitely die and the game will end," I can't understand why Sephiran would send the Black Knight to save her sauce. He admits in the Tower that he had no idea she was alive (or else, I gather, he would have had her sing the Galdr of Release and end the world without the war), so how did he know to send the Black Knight to her? If he had no idea who she is, which he claimed, then he must've sent the Black Knight to liberate Daein, not protect her specifically (although the two causes are one in the same); why does he care if Daein is free or not, considering his plans end up with world extermination? If his goal was to make sure Daein participated in the world war, he would have been better off leaving them under the control of the Senate, who inevitably would have used the captured Daein soldiers to fight. At least by the second time, 4-3, it seems that Sephiran knows she's alive, considering the Black Knight tries to get her to go to the Tower by herself; but even then, what's the point of that, considering Ashera's going to Judgment the world again (which is what Sephiran wants) unless Yune intervenes, so why would he want to bring Yune there? My only guess is that he wants to either say goodbye to Yune or possibly have her stop him because he's secretly a nice guy, but maybe I missed something.
    • Wanting her alive could be more about the liberation of Daein rather than wanting her to live personally. He likely had heard of the Silver Haired Maiden and knew she was loved by the people, who better to use as a pawn or figurehead leader than someone who can be instantly forgiven for all misdeeds?
      • Maybe it started as one and became the other. He sends the Black Knight to protect her because of her importance to Daein, but then puts two and two together from the Black Knight's description of her.

    So, did they want us to hate him? 
This is another spoiler for the Radiance/Radiant Titles so close the folder now if that bugs you. Concerning Radiant Dawn's ending, breaking up the Greil Mercenaries was odd but done logically and wanting to close Ike's story forever is understandable, if questionable because he's popular. What does not make sense is how Ike's story closed. He left alone for lands unknown and was never seen again? He decided not stick with his promise to protect sister, the promise to uphold the peace or(the big one) the promise to run the company he inherited? Where exactly could he go with only one continent left on the planet? He couldn't cross the desert, someone did that already. A more satisfying end would have been "Like Zihark, Ike remained a mercenary and continued to lend aid where it was needed until old age immobilized him. He died at 97 and a bunch of people attended his funeral." Okay, maybe that wouldn't be more satisfying but it wouldn't contradict anything.

     Begnion Royalty in exile 
  • After the murder of Misaha and the Serenes Massacre, how and why did the heir to the throne of Begnion end up in Daein? She had spent most of her life in Daein, but nobody says anything at all about how she got there.
    • They probably tried to assassinate her too, but one of her parents (probably the one not related to Misaha) got separated while trying to escape, or was killed after successfully hiding her.
      • So how did the parents get back to Begnion to have Sanaki, and why didn't Micaiah go back with them?
      • Maybe one of them didn't. I don't recall them ever saying that Micaiah and Sanaki are full sisters. It seems probable to me that Misaha only had one son, thus why the Apostle's power skipped that generation, who fathered Micaiah by his first wife, then remarried and fathered Sanaki when Micaiah and her mother were both apparently killed along with Misaha.

     The Mad King's Plan 
  • The Mad King Ashnard used a blood pact with a travelling man to wipe out his entire bloodline and seize the throne. That, I get. What I don't get is how on earth he managed to avoid the blood pact. I mean, how did he know that, out of the thousand-odd dead men and women of Daein, he would survive to take the crown?
    • He was probably fully aware of the risk and went for it anyway. Ashnard was kind of batshit insane.

     How Come Kurthnaga Didn't Recognize His REAL Nephew? 
  • Kurth is travelling with Ike's party in Part IV and didn't think the mark on Soren's forehead looked a lot like his own? Granted, Kurth is very inexperienced with the outside world, and he's too kind to have a doubt when Almedha seemed so sure that Pelleas was her's, but he should've noticed Pelleas looks/acts nothing like the rest of his family.
    • Kurthnaga likely lacks the experience needed to recognize a branded when he sees one, and Soren seems to avoid the laguz members of the army when he can get away with it anyway, especially dragons as seen in Path of Radiance when they were waylaid on Goldoa, so Kurthnaga probably wouldn't have had many chances to get close to him. As for Pelleas, Kurthnaga didn't really know Ashnard and likely just assumed that Pelleas took after his supposed father's side.
    • Branded are implied to be a sort of dead zone to Laguz, and have no "scent." It's entirely possible Kurthnaga didn't know how to pick Soren out using dragon senses.

     Missing - One Very Important Noble 
Micaiah being a descendant of Altina and Lehran isn't that much of a stretch, as her abilities fit in nicely with herons. BUT the main problem? Who exactly loses an empress?Think about it - the last apostle, Misaha, was murdered before the Serenes Massacre. Sanaki is then chosen to take over several years later, as a young ruler would theoretically be easier for the Senate to control. Where was Micaiah in all of this? We know she's older because she's a Branded and ended up being able to hear the Goddess's voice (something Sanaki lampshades), but that presents even more problems. As a child to an empress, not only would a pregnancy be difficult to hide but a firstborn child would be celebrated and a big deal to the country. And yet no one knows of Micaiah, with no records of an older heir to the Apostle being mentioned. It's possible Micaiah was "also killed" in the massacre, but that would mean Micaiah is old enough to be Sanaki's mother, not her sister.
  • First of all, Micaiah is not the child of the empress; Misaha's child apparently never took over as ruler of Begnion. There's some evidence that Micaiah and Sanaki are not full siblings, which would help explain a ten-to-thirteen year gap between them, especially if their father is the shared parent. The most likely explanation is that Micaiah's mother absconded to Daein, she may even have been from Daein herself, when all hell broke lose and was able to successfully hide Micaiah before getting killed. Micaiah's inability to remember her origins implies that she was at most four years old at the time. If she were a newborn, it is possible that her birth simply wasn't publically announced yet, especially if Misaha's dauther/daughter-in-law didn't make very many public appearances.

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