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Both Sides Have A Point requires in-universe acknowledgement from either the two sides arguing or a third party, neither which happens in this episode. Would Hit A Girl has been reworked to make it clearer that a man has to be treated by others as morally wrong/questionable for targeting women - Jin Zixun and JC are portrayed as wrong for wanting to punish the Wens but not for specifically wanting to hurt the women themselves. Hypocrite is not an accurate trope for JGS getting angry whe pointed out about his clan following in the Wen Clan's footsteps - the trope is for when a character criticises someone's actions when they themselves also do it, here JGS is just annoyed that WWX correctly pointed out his clan's plans. Cassandra Truth is when characters refuse to believe someone's claims for no good reason eg. due to laziness — Jin Ling has good reason for not believing that MXY is WWX.


* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Jiang Cheng was right about how Wei Wuxian placed a huge target on his back by rescuing the Wen survivors. On the other hand, Wei Wuxian was also correct about how said survivors were completely innocent and didn't deserve torture nor death just because of their family name.



* CassandraTruth: Although Jiang Cheng now knows with full confidence that Mo Xuanyu is Wei Wuxian, the others don't seem to think the same way. Jin Ling makes it clear he doesn't believe him, partly because Wei Wuxian has already been hit by Zidian several times without anything happening and partly because he doesn't believe that someone like the Yiling Patriarch would be scared of a dog.



* {{Hypocrite}}: It was obvious that Jin Guangshan intended to have the Stygian Tiger Amulet for his own selfish gains. However, when Wei Wuxian accurately pointed out that the Jin Clan was stepping up to become the next Wen Clan, the clan leader got angry that someone pointed out the truth out loud, even when no one was really listening to Wei Wuxian's words.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: It was obvious that GenerationXerox: Both Jin Guangshan intended Ling and a young Jiang Cheng's reactions to have the Stygian Tiger Amulet for his own selfish gains. However, when Wei Wuxian accurately pointed out that the Jin Clan was stepping up to become the next Wen Clan, the clan leader got angry that someone pointed out the truth out loud, even when no one was really listening to seeing Wei Wuxian's words.fear of dogs? "Coward."
* HumanizingTears: The grumpy and sullen child Jiang Chen fell into a pit while looking for Wei Wuxian, and was later found there while crying endearing tears.



* HumanizingTears: The grumpy and sullen child Jiang Chen fell into a pit while looking for Wei Wuxian, and was later found there while crying endearing tears.



* GenerationXerox: Both Jin Ling and a young Jiang Cheng's reactions to seeing Wei Wuxian's fear of dogs? "Coward."



* UnrevealAngle: Downplayed. When Wei Wuxian briefly sees Wen Ning's memories, it's revealed that Jin Guangshan and two disciples were responsible for secretly keeping him alive for the past 13 years and were implied to be experimenting on him. However, the POVCam only shows the clan leader's identity, with the two disciples' faces cut out of frame; what's still clear, however, is that one was from the Jin Clan and the other was from the Lan Clan.

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* UnrevealAngle: Downplayed. When Wei Wuxian briefly sees Wen Ning's memories, it's revealed that Jin Guangshan and two disciples were responsible for secretly keeping him alive for the past 13 years and were implied to be experimenting on him. However, the The POVCam only shows the clan leader's identity, with the two disciples' faces cut out of frame; what's still clear, however, is that one was from the Jin Clan and the other was from the Lan Clan.



* WouldHitAGirl:
** Jin Zixun was all too willing to use the branding iron on an elderly woman.
** Jiang Cheng told Wei Wuxian that he should surrender the Wen survivors to the Jin Clan. Since the survivors included women, this implied he wasn't against letting them get harmed in any way as part of their punishment for being Wens.

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** Wei Wuxian argued with the Jin Clan at their banquet about the Stygian Tiger Amulet before setting out for Qiongqi Path in the novel. In the episode the argument took place at Qiongqi Path, meaning many of the characters at the banquet in the novel (such as Lan Wangji and Jin Guangyao) were present when Wei Wuxian rescued the surviving Wens as well as when he argued with Jin Guangshan.

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** Wei Wuxian argued with the Jin Clan at their banquet about the Stygian Tiger Amulet before setting out for Qiongqi Path in the novel. In the The episode saves time by having the argument took take place at Qiongqi Path, meaning many of with the characters at the banquet in the novel (such as Lan Wangji and Jin Guangyao) were present being there when Wei Wuxian both rescued the surviving Wens as well as when he and argued with Jin Guangshan.


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* FisticuffProvokingComment: In the flashback, Wei Wuxian punched Jiang Cheng in anger when the latter made a callous remark at how Wen Qing and Wen Ning's innocence and their act of saving their lives didn't matter because they were still part of the Wen Clan.

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* CryCute: The grumpy and sullen child Jiang Chen fell into a pit while looking for Wei Wuxian, and was later found there while crying endearing tears.


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* HumanizingTears: The grumpy and sullen child Jiang Chen fell into a pit while looking for Wei Wuxian, and was later found there while crying endearing tears.
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Migrating from Mo Dao Zu Shi Season 2 Episode 5 Untamed. Aversions shouldn'e be listed unless noteworthy. Not Helping Your Case is when someone's response to an accusation makes themself look worse. A character simply doing something differently from the original source does not qualify for Adaptational Personality Change. Ankle Drag involves the character getting dragged to their doom. Kick The Dog is when the villain/antagonistic character does an unnecessarily cruel, JC using Fairy on WWX is cruel but not pointless on his part since it helped him keep WWX cornered. Right Behind Me would only apply if WWX wasn't originally present for the conversation but later appeared behind Jin Ling. It isn't clear to the audience at this point what the nails are. Blatant Lies = "a character tells an implausible lie to others", JGS' lie isn't unlikely from the other characters' POV. Amplified Animal Aptitude refers to intelligence, not physicality. What The Hell Hero for when the hero does something heinous. Anything But That = "A relatively mundane threat is seen as a Fate Worse Than Death, often for comedic effect". Implied Death Threat = threat against just the character, Shame If Something Happened = threat against the character's family or property. Stating The Simple Solution doesn't apply since the "difficult" and "simple" solutions don't resolve the same thing. Simply being cold doesn't equate to Tranquil Fury. Easily Forgiven is for foul acts, "Mo Xuanyu" mocking Jin Ling for having no mother is bad but not to that extent even. I think Worf Had The Flu would only apply when the "flu" is temporary, MXY's body being weaker likely doesn't count since WWX is now permanently stuck with it. You Can Run But You Cant Hide requires the character to mention both the running and the hiding.

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->''"But do you know when you are with them, you'll be considered good, outstanding and talented. But if your voice is different from theirs, you'd be a lunatic, ruthless and evil person. You think you can be righteous alone? No one has ever done so!"''
-->-- '''Jiang Cheng''' arguing to Wei Wuxian that he shouldn't go against the other clans' wishes

Wei Wuxian knows all too well that Jiang Cheng despises him now and more than ever. Reflecting upon the past once more, he remembered how even after the avenged the tragedy of Lotus Pier's fall, new problems continued to threaten -- and destroy -- their friendship.
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy:
** When Jiang Cheng accosts Wei Wuxian, he doesn't use Fairy to keep him intimidated like he did in the novel, which is a cruel act on his part given the latter's cynophobia.
** In the childhood flashback in the novel, Jiang Fengmian was encouraging both Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian to get along before proceeding to carry only the latter, which made him come across as horribly insensitive to his son. He was more considerate in this episode, picking Wei Wuxian up only because the child was afraid of Jiang Cheng's dogs approaching him.
* AdaptationalVillainy: Implied with the Lan Clan. When Wei Wuxian pulls out the nails from Wen Ning, he realizes that they're forged by people from both the Jin and the Lan Clans, whereas only the former was involved with experimenting on Wen Ning in the novel.
* AdaptationDistillation:
** Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng's conversation is shortened compared to the novel to make way for Wen Ning's sudden appearance and the ensuing ruckus between the trio.
** Wei Wuxian argued with the Jin Clan at their banquet about the Stygian Tiger Amulet before setting out for Qiongqi Path in the novel. In the episode the argument took place at Qiongqi Path, meaning many of the characters at the banquet in the novel (such as Lan Wangji and Jin Guangyao) were present when Wei Wuxian rescued the surviving Wens as well as when he argued with Jin Guangshan.
** In the novel, when Wei Wuxian bleakly advised Jiang Cheng to just give up on him when it became clear the Jiang Clan's reputation was in danger, the two later staged a duel to convince the cultivation world that Wei Wuxian had officially cut ties with the clan. This episode gets straight to the point and has Wei Wuxian telling Jiang Cheng to inform everyone that he defected from the Jiang Clan, forgoing the need for a duel.
* AintTooProudToBeg:
** Wei Wuxian loudly screams for help when he gets cornered by Fairy, leaving Jin Ling's unimpressed when he arrives at the scene. Lucky for Wei Wuxian, this further convinces the teen that the man's not the Yiling Patriarch since such a feared figure wouldn't be scared of dogs.
** Wen Qing was a very proud and strong-willed woman. However, she didn't hesitate to kneel to Wei Wuxian and grab his clothes while pleading with him to save her brother.
* AscendedExtra: Unlike in the novel, Wen Ning makes an appearance in Qinghe and attacks Jiang Cheng during his confrontation with Wei Wuxian, allowing the latter to escape.
* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Jiang Cheng was right about how Wei Wuxian placed a huge target on his back by rescuing the Wen survivors. On the other hand, Wei Wuxian was also correct about how said survivors were completely innocent and didn't deserve torture nor death just because of their family name.
* CameBackStrong: When he was still alive, Wen Ning was so meek he would never willingly draw a sword on anyone. After he was revived by Wei Wuxian as a fierce corpse, he immediately laid waste to a few Jin Clan cultivators.
* CassandraTruth: Although Jiang Cheng now knows with full confidence that Mo Xuanyu is Wei Wuxian, the others don't seem to think the same way. Jin Ling makes it clear he doesn't believe him, partly because Wei Wuxian has already been hit by Zidian several times without anything happening and partly because he doesn't believe that someone like the Yiling Patriarch would be scared of a dog.
* {{Chiaroscuro}}: In the present time, when Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng are arguing, a shot of them from above is shown. The shot not only shows the roof beam positioned between both characters, but it also shows Jiang Cheng sitting in the spot where there's sunlight while Wei Wuxian is in a spot where he's shrouded in darkness. This represents the current friction and divide between the two.
* ContinuityNod:
** When Jiang Cheng berates Wei Wuxian for getting concerned about Jin Ling, he reminds him of how he (albeit inadvertently) mocked the latter for [[Recap/GrandmasterOfDemonicCultivationSeason1Episode2DemonHuntPart2 not having any parents to raise him]].
** In the flashback, while arguing about what do with the Wen survivors, Wei Wuxian punched Jiang Cheng in the face after the latter's remarks started to sound too unsympathetic for his liking. This echoed how he himself got punched for similar reasons in the past, particularly [[Recap/GrandmasterOfDemonicCultivationSeason1Episode11TheMassacre when Jiang Cheng chewed him out for sticking up for Lan Wangji and Jin Zixuan]]. Additionally, the same music is played in both scenes.
** Lan Wangji returning to Xinglu Ridge and finding nothing but Wei Wuxian's flute mirrors [[Recap/GrandmasterOfDemonicCultivationSeason1Episode13DeathZone how he searched for Wei Wuxian in Yiling years ago and found only his Clarity Bell]].
* CryCute: The grumpy and sullen child Jiang Chen fell into a pit while looking for Wei Wuxian, and was later found there while crying endearing tears.
* DoesNotKnowHowToSayThanks: Wei Wuxian notices Jin Ling's inability to express his thanks, and gently tells him that "thank you", along with "I'm sorry", are the two phrases everyone must learn how to say.
* EvilPowerVacuum: Wei Wuxian accuses Jin Guangshan of corruption and wanting to fill in [[EvilOverlord Wen Ruohan's]] shoes by ruling over all the cultivation clans.
* FairWeatherFriend: Downplayed. Jiang Cheng outright warned Wei Wuxian that everyone only saw him as an ally as long as they shared the same opinions, and were all too ready to regard him otherwise the moment that's no longer the case.
* FriendToAllChildren: Despite being the infamous Yiling Patriarch that just killed a bunch of Jin clansmen for torturing the Wens, Wei Wuxian happily playing with the child Wen Yuan when Jiang Cheng visited him emphasised that he was still a good-hearted man.
* {{Hypocrite}}: It was obvious that Jin Guangshan intended to have the Stygian Tiger Amulet for his own selfish gains. However, when Wei Wuxian accurately pointed out that the Jin Clan was stepping up to become the next Wen Clan, the clan leader got angry that someone pointed out the truth out loud, even when no one was really listening to Wei Wuxian's words.
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Despite his previous grievances with "Mo Xuanyu", Jin Ling doesn't stop Wei Wuxian from escaping Jiang Cheng's wrath. In addition to not believing his uncle's claim that Mo Xuanyu is Wei Wuxian's new host, he also does it out of gratitude for the man saving his life at both Huaicang Mountain and the Man-Eating Castle, showing he does have an honourable side underneath his feisty demeanour.
* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Although he kept up with the "Mo Xuanyu" act in previous episodes to hide his identity, Wei Wuxian doesn't bother playing dumb anymore with Jiang Cheng when are in private since the latter's already found him out and has him cornered.
* GenerationXerox: Both Jin Ling and a young Jiang Cheng's reactions to seeing Wei Wuxian's fear of dogs? "Coward."
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* MoodWhiplash: What follows after a tense confrontation between Wei Wuxian, Jiang Cheng, and Wen Ning is a comedic chase scene between the former and Fairy.
* NoSympathy: When Jiang Cheng saw that the Wen survivors rescued by Wei Wuxian comprised just the elderly, weak, and the children, he callously remarked how unsightly they were. When the latter reminded him of what would happen to the Wens should he give them up, Jiang Cheng's response had the underlying message of, "So what?"
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: In the past, despite the growing friction in their relationship, Wei Wuxian never verbally nor physically lashed out at Jiang Cheng unless it was to snap him out of an emotional or depression-induced haze. But the latter's attitude regarding the Wen survivors was enough to enrage Wei Wuxian into punching him.
* OutOfTheFryingPan: Just as Wei Wuxian manages to get away from Jiang Cheng, he then gets chased by Fairy.
* RidiculouslyCuteCritter: Jiang Cheng's three puppies from his childhood were adorable yipping furballs. They unfortunately still scared Wei Wuxian to death due to his cynophobia, leading to the puppies being taken away.
* RuleOfSymbolism: During Wei Wuxian's standoff with the Jin Clan, both stood on opposite sides of the bridge. Later on, Lan Wangji intervened and landed on the middle of the bridge, with Wei Wuxian eventually severing said structure. This represented several things -- Wei Wuxian standing against the Four Great Clans, Lan Wangji's dilemma on who he should side with, and Wei Wuxian's decision to essentially isolate himself from the rest of the cultivation world.
* ShameIfSomethingHappened: Jin Guangshan stated that trouble might come to the Jiang Clan if Wei Wuxian kept acting against the Jin Clan while remaining a part of the former clan. This gave Wei Wuxian the idea to leave the Jiang Clan, so that his actions wouldn't be associated with them.
* SinsOfOurFathers: Majority of the cultivation clans saw the innocent surviving Wens as guilty as all the other Wens that participated in the Sunshot Campaigh, simply because they shared the same blood.
* TakeAThirdOption: Wei Wuxian was pressured by Jiang Cheng (on behalf of the other clans) to either continue sheltering the Wen surivors and risk the backlash the Jiang Clan might receive, or give them up and potentially lead these innocents to their deaths. Not wanting either parties to suffer, he decided to leave the Jiang Clan altogether so that his protection of the Wen survivors wouldn't be associated with the clan.
* TalkToTheFist: In the flashback, Wei Wuxian socked Jiang Cheng square in the jaw after having had enough of the latter's argument that anyone with the name Wen was instantly guilty of Wen Ruohan's crimes. The punch was enough to shock Jiang Cheng speechless.
* TranquilFury:
** Aside from a brief explosive moment of throwing a cup near the other's face, Jiang Cheng is composed the entire time he's talking to Wei Wuxian. That being said, his anger is completely palpable.
** In the past, when Wei Wuxian realized that Wen Ning was killed by the Jin Clan, he quietly yet eerily asked Jin Zixun if he killed him, before proceeding to turn Wen Ning into a fierce corpse.
* {{Tsundere}}: When Wei Wuxian asks Jin Ling if he would have saved him earlier if he hadn't escaped from Jiang Cheng earlier, the teen blushes and sullenly looks away in response. He gets annoyed when Wei Wuxian laughs at him and hastily claims that he's only helping him to get even for being saved from the Man-Eating Castle.
* UndyingLoyalty: Even when Wen Ning hasn't regained his consciousness nor sense of self yet, he immediately rushes to defend Wei Wuxian from Jiang Cheng despite being given no orders to do so, and goes to him after no one's around to see him.
* UngratefulBastard: Wei Wuxian implicitly accused Jiang Cheng of showing no appreciation to Wen Qing and Wen Ning for helping the two survive after the Jiang Clan massacre, since Jiang Cheng intended to kill the latter and suggested that they let the surviving Wens get executed. While he acknowledged what they did, he argued that everyone else still still saw Wen as an enemy regardless of their innocence.
* UnrevealAngle: Downplayed. When Wei Wuxian briefly sees Wen Ning's memories, it's revealed that Jin Guangshan and two disciples were responsible for secretly keeping him alive for the past 13 years and were implied to be experimenting on him. However, the POVCam only shows the clan leader's identity, with the two disciples' faces cut out of frame; what's still clear, however, is that one was from the Jin Clan and the other was from the Lan Clan.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Downplayed. When Jiang Cheng and Wen Ning fight in the public streets, the civilians look in confusion as to what's going on but aren't panicking or at least backing away from the site of the commotion.
* WhoNamesTheirKidDude: Wei Wuxian wryly asks Jin Ling who gave Fairy its name, clearly finding the naming choice odd. Jin Ling doesn't realize it and simply answers that the dog was called Little Fairy before it grew up and hence rendered the "Little" useless.
* WouldHurtAChild: When Jin Zixun was about to hurt the elderly Wen woman with the branding iron, she was standing between him and her grandson Wen Yuan. This implied he was actually originally intending to hurt the child.
* WouldHitAGirl:
** Jin Zixun was all too willing to use the branding iron on an elderly woman.
** Jiang Cheng told Wei Wuxian that he should surrender the Wen survivors to the Jin Clan. Since the survivors included women, this implied he wasn't against letting them get harmed in any way as part of their punishment for being Wens.
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