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Because it was misuse. There was a discussion a while back that determined that rants about works or creators don't really count as a "Reason You Suck Speech", since the speech needs to be directly addressed to a character in-person.

There were still some valid examples from the show (mainly from the storyline segments) that were moved to the Web Original page for the trope. But stuff like his Holy Terror or Secret Empire speeches don't fit the bill for the trope.

That's from his review of the second issue of JLA: Act of God.

That comment was about the Main.Atop The Fourth Wall redirect, by the way.

I think we should just make some tropes on Atop the Fourth Wall's page for it. The videos are too short and it's just a special thing Linkara's doing. Besides, I'm only seeing a few tropes, not enough for a page.

You're probably right, but why I was referred to as Wackd I have no idea. And even then I've think I've only seen half of the episodes all the way through. So even if I have done it, I probably should have planned it the whole way through

Uh...you weren't. That was my post.

Hi there.

Oh I'm sorry I couldn't tell since I forgot to login in on my iPhone ^_^ though I think giving LOTD a subpage sounds a little bit interesting.

Wait why does my name look different?

Wait why does my name look different?

You probably logged in by typing without capitals. Doing that will change how your name displays and may affect your ability to use the site. If you log in with capitals again, it should go back to how it was.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9998790

It's a reference to Top Gun, which you clearly need to see, because it's awesome.

Foreshadowing, maybe?

Well, I'm not sure who exactly wrote them, but I know they're both from the Ren and Stimpy soundtrack, so maybe that information will help you find what you're looking for. :)

Are you sure these aren't references to the very end (after the credits) of the 'Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers #1' review? Where Dr.Insano says "I'm back baby"?

It's a new setting with many kinks that need to be worked out. Just ignore them for now, while reminding as many people as you can of the "In-Universe" tag that will remove the YMMV marker from that trope and letting them know it applies.

No idea, but maybe you could start on Atop the Fourth Wall, rather than on the mainspace.

Other shows on Recap.Recap could give an idea on how to summarise and index the episodes.

Just remember it's a wiki, and therefore subject to editing by anyone.

I'll try to fix it up to single out the episodes and elaborate on them, then.

EDIT: Scratch that, I can't make any sense out of what I typed. Sorry, but I won't be making a recap page for AT 4 W after all.

This is something you should REALLY take to the forums, but I'll answer you here for now:

He does praise the artist for his work and the writer for definitely being a good writer, but not being a particularity good one here. As always, the problems with Cry For Justice is the multiple Fridge Logic and morality issues presented. He also rarely raises his voice beyond a sarcastic comment/joke. Sure, they may come off as a "insulting", but that's kind of the point, really.

Plus, the Lord Vyce saga seems to be ending with these videos, if you're into Linkara's non-reviewing parts of his videos.

If you feel that Linkara gets pissed too much, I apologize since I personally never felt that so I might be wrong.

Having never read Cry For Justice myself I don't know if Linkara is being overly harsh and critical of it. All I can say is that Linkara explains why he has problems with the mini in detail. Also if you have any interest in AT 4 W's storyline then you should at least watch the beginning of both episodes.

However, Linkara states in the first episode that he hates Cry For Justice more than anything else he's ever read. All his problems with it seem justified to me, but like I said, I've never read the mini myself.

Oh, Linkara's doing Cry For Justice this month? Oh well, I guess I'll stay away from his Blogspot & TGWTG page till February. (Puts on T-Shirt that says "I kinda liked Identity Crisis & Cry For Justice. They weren't that bad.")

To answer your question, I wouldn't say they were C-List. If they were more memorable than the Blood Pack and their deaths in Infinite Crisis, they wouldn't count as C List Fodder.

I kinda liked Identity Crisis too...at least, until I started thinking about it. No, seriously, that was not an insult or dig ("Only dumb guys like IC!"), I mean exactly that. I really liked it after my first read-through, but as time passed afterwards I kept thinking about the story and gradually came to hate it. Believe me, I've spent a lot of time thinking over what that means.

Anyway, I haven't read Cry for Justice so I won't comment on its quality, but from Linkara's description it does seem like C-List Fodder. C List Fodder doesn't necesarily have to be C-list characters, they are just non-A-List, or even just not A-list characters in this story, that are brought in specifically to be killed. Like I said, haven't read the sory so maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, but if these characters were introduced just to be killed off them they do count.

^ Ditto. I mean, it's not like I LOVE either of them. I like them and I don't hate them. Identity Crisis was my first book to the wider-DCU since previously I had only bought Batman stuff. And Cry For Justice wasn't... that bad! There are just... things that are seriously wrong with it.

There are things I despise about Id.C. and CFJ (Brad Meltzer's general writing, the sudden reveal of the rape and how quickly it kinda downplayed, the Justice League vs Deathstroke [there are times where it's just difficult to write a fight with the Flash since the introduction of the Speed Force] and other little details for the former, and the Out Of Character Ray Palmer Atom [the same guy who Geoff Johns believes is one of the most compassionate people in the DCU, the long delays in the story that made me forget a lot of details in-between issue releases [since I had decided to wait until it was all released before I thought to buy it or not] and stuff about the last issue [I didn't mind the destruction of Star City... again, nor Lian's death. It was the fact that Robinson didn't originally plan for Lian to die that got me. Fucking Executive Meddling... but hey, at least Rise and Fall got me into Green Arrow and the current Titans run. And I like both of them.]) but you know what, I don't think they are the violations that Linkara and Scans_Daily think they are.

Sorry for the rant, but seriously.... Anyway... I guess that C-List Fodder has already been expanded beyond what it was originally meant to be, so whatever.

Well, I can't say I was expecting THIS response. Thanks anyway.

Sorry. It's just that it's already hard to say that Cry For Justice wasn't the complete abomination that Linkara (and others) says it is on the internet. I can't post it in the Just Bugs Me page because 1) After already seeing the bile he has shown for this series, I refuse to watch the videos he has set to review this. It doesn't help the fact that sometimes, I see him as acting like an elitist jerk and 2) it would probably be deleted anyway, for either breaking the rules or by a fan. I just wanted to state this for the record that... Cry For Justice wasn't that bad!

But as a troper, I want to help out, even though I can't see the situation he describes the C List Fodder.

Since I'm a non-comic reading fan, I watched it for you. He has very good reasons for hating it His main argument is basically that yo can't enact "justice" until something happens, a person has to commit a crime to become a "criminal", you can't really go and prevent crime and evil be beating innocent people up.

Another reason he hates it is because it kills off multiple B-Listers it seems.

Linkara is a reviewer. But it also is affected by his opinion. Just because someone popular and well known has an fierce opinion doesn't mean it should affect your own. Go on and watch it, and afterwards, post your opinion on it without resorting to calling him a terrible person, a bad judge of good stuff, etc. Be civil. He reads and reviews terrible shit for your amusement. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent blokes and all that.

I really don't want to get into a debate, suffice to say that IIRC, the people they were going after were the remains of Libra's Secret Society who had killed J'onn during Final Crisis, and then focused on Prometheus, who was already a criminal and doing shit. I haven't read it in a couple of months.

The many deaths in Cry For Justice... I'll give you all that. If there is one thing the book does well, it's kill people. I'm just glad that Robinson just brought back Tasmanian Devil in the new Starman & Congorilla special. In fact, I would think another death trope would fit better, like Kill Em All or something similar.

I never meant to call Linkara a terrible person, just that at times he can be a bit of a comics snob and that there are times that I really disagree with him. I'll still watch his videos, but to be entertained. I already know full and well that Linkara hates this book with a passion. When he speaks of it, it is with extreme loathing. I hated Dark Knight Strikes Again as well, but even then I could barely watch those videos. I like to watch a humorous/bewildered/annoyed/semi-lighthearted Linkara, not a Linkara who's piss has been brought to a boil and needs to yell and be unpleasant.

And I just really don't want to see him rip the shit out of CFJ for two or three videos with no humor, no likeability. I can respect his opinion for hating it. I understand all too well. I kinda like the character of Superboy-Prime (exempting the Countdown stuff, which is already pretty much Canon Discontinuity). Linkara hates Prime. With a passion. But more times than not, he'll try to make a joke out of him and mock him than just espewing his hatred of him. I don't mind Linkara sharing his anger, but not when it becomes the tone of the whole video(s) and there is nothing to balance it.

And the problem I have is that I have opinions on several matters in the DCU that are widely considered unpopular, some of which I have described on this thread. I don't do it to try to troll around, it is my honest view on things.

I think he meant give your opinion in the forums (TGWTG or TV Tropes) or in one of Linkara's comment sections. Or even write a review either here (edit: well, here now) or here. This is about the page. Not really a discussion for Linkara himself.

Seriously guys, I was just asking if a trope fit.

Short response: it's your opinion. If you like something, more power to ya.

I see no reason why it wouldn't. After all, his Power Rangers history and Elite Force LP is here.

Insano had mechakara's faceplate in his lab, but it reactivated on it's own. He tried to warn Spoony, but he was too busy singing. Nevertheless, Mechakara couldn't actually do anything on his own because he was just a face and needed Vyce to revive him.

The Gun really is powered by a forsaken child. The fake out was that Linkara was the father.

One of CR's videos. I forget which, unfortunately. ^^;

And donť you now at least in which series it is?

It was in the Spuds McKenzie episode of Familiar Faces. CR was talking about how moms were angry about Spuds supposedly promoting booze to minors, despite that not being the case, and he went off on a tangent to mention how Spider-Man was "snapping necks and making deals with the devil, and yet he's mom-approved!" (I might be paraphrasing a bit). Cut to Linkara playing on his DS, only to be surprised when the Continuity Alarm goes off.

It was in the Spuds McKenzie episode of Familiar Faces. CR was talking about how moms were angry about Spuds supposedly promoting booze to minors, despite that not being the case, and he went off on a tangent to mention how Spider-Man was "snapping necks and making deals with the devil, and yet he's mom-approved!" (I might be paraphrasing a bit). Cut to Linkara playing on his DS, only to be surprised when the Continuity Alarm goes off.

I think it has something to do with the fact that it was played when Linkara and Mechakara first confronted each other. Or something like that.

Kara is the name of Supergirl who's been wiped from canon

He's just that good?

Well, yeah, that, too. He really is. Though, specifically, its because he is highly inoffensive, all of his arguments are very well put together, he rarely cuts corners, has high standards for material, and he only goes after inarguably bad stuff. Anything he finds that isn't so bad or is just not good mocking material, he leaves alone. As the result, a few things he's done bug people, at worst. Up to date, he's dodged the absolute suckiness bullet, and with good reason. Why his fellow reviwers don't take more example from him I will never know.

Why is it that, when fans explain their liking for a reviewer, some of them just can't resist making a TakeThat to at least one of their co-workers?

Take That!! XD

This is not a take that at his co-workers. It honestly is beyond my fathoming why more of them don't take from his example. He has by far the least hating on his comments section. That right there is the proof of concept that he's doing something right that the other are not.

Have you SEEN his Frank Miller reviews' comments? Personally, I hate Miller's work, but the point still stands. And "proof of concept that he's doing something right that the other are not"? Excuse me, but what snobby thing to say, considering Linkara really does take after the Nostalgia Critic - only with comics. And story arcs....

I lost my train of thought. But the point is that you're judging some Internet nerds (their words, not mine) who give you free entertainment a little too harshly.

That's just Miller's fanatical fans. Their complain that Linkara shouldn't insult such an important figure in comics, yet no one says two words for Stan Lee when Linkara thrashed him in an earlier review. My point is that, thus far, Linkara has had no justified complaints that belong on the Dethroning Moment Of Suck page, unlike the Critic's Mako incident or Spoony suggesting that his fans hunt and kill FFX fans, in which you could understand why that upset people. Name one incident with Linkara in which the fans' moaning was in the right and Lewis wasn't. Name one thing he's done that belongs on that page.

I should point out that I hate the Dethroning Moment of Suck page since it just feeds on negativity while I am a full on idealist, so I don't think Linkara needs it since I respect the hell out of him.

As for the Critic's Mako incident and Spoony telling his fans to kill FFX fans, Doug had no clue who Mako was so it is forgivable. Mako dying was not like 9/11 so that EVERYONE must have known about him dying. And Spoony makes jokes of that matter all the time. If Spoony made a joke about, "FFX is the reason for abortion!" THEN you can complain. Otherwise, jeez. Lay off.

Wall Banger, you are Completely Missing The Point. I said you understand why some people were upset about that, not that I was. I'm not complaining. I'm pointing out that since he's done absolutely that could justifably offend someone, whereas I can understand why someone would be upset by the whole Mako thing and Spoony's joke. I said understand why someone would be. Not that I was.

I was going to make a detailed response of why you're bringing it up then, but I thought I'd save the trouble and avoid conflict.

I think we should use both. But the person before me said that "one quote only". like there aren't thousands of entries with more than one quote..

I'm not the person who deleted it, but I suspect that this is Even Evil Has Standards.

That example was already mentioned under Even Evil Has Standards.

Go over to Ask The Tropers. I asked.