Videogame Pokemon Black And White Discussion

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12:00:44 AM Apr 8th 2014
"with the sequels adding more New Jersey" Oh who is the troper who wrote that with a straight face? I want to give them a high five.
05:22:35 AM Dec 3rd 2013
The previous Nintendo Hard entry. It makes EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT LOOK LIKE THE WORST THING EVER ADSGKJFAHSGKDFJHGAJDH. It even make it look like wild Pokémon have minds of their own. And acts like this doesn't happen in other games?

Seriously? I'm sorry, but I think whoever wrote that was high when they did.
06:21:42 PM Jun 1st 2013
On the YMMV page, the Ensemble Darkhorse entry is way too long - maybe we should shave it down to some of the more obvious/qualified examples? Golurk, for example, seems to qualify because people are always talking about it and praising it on forums/comments/etc., while I'm not sure if Zekrom qualifies because it's one of the starring mascots, and given a lot of emphasis to begin with (though it is getting more attention than, say, Dialga and Palkia).
11:15:43 AM Jan 23rd 2013
Is a single TRS discussion REALLY grounds for a team of moderators systematically going over every single topic on the entire website and getting rid of any connection between Ghetsis and the Complete Monster trope?
12:23:26 PM Jan 23rd 2013
A number of tropers, after discussion, have concluded Ghetsis doesn't fit and therefore applying Complete Monster is misuse. I expect you are free to challenge the conclusion they came to.
08:54:46 PM Aug 25th 2012
The YouTube link under Near Victory Fanfare no longer exists. It's supposed to be a link to an example of the remix of the main Pokémon theme that kicks in when a Gym Leader is down to their last Pokemon. I don't have the time to find a replacement right now, so I added this topic to give other tropers a heads-up about the link until it gets fixed or removed.
12:34:14 PM Mar 23rd 2012
edited by fenyx4
If anyone can add entry concerning the Gates (guardhouses) and what technical purpose they serve (if any in Pokémon Black and White regarding the trope of Dynamic Loading, that would be much appreciated.
12:43:34 PM Mar 4th 2012
edited by CabbitGirlEmi
Now, does anyone besides me think that the music score composed by Morikazu Aoki, Go Ichinose, Shota Kageyama, and Hitomi Sato sounds kind of like something you'd hear in a pre-Anastasia Don Bluth movie (i.e. An American Tail)? For example, the song you hear on Route 2, Route 3, and the entrance to Pinwheel Forest?
01:10:58 PM Feb 12th 2012
So the third game is not happening? :(
12:37:32 PM Mar 4th 2012
No, there's going to be two new ones. And they're probably the same game, except with "2" at the end of each title, and Kyurem is going to be in it.
03:05:23 PM Dec 30th 2011
I noticed that this:

was removed, with the reasoning being "There are lots of Let's Plays." I'm afraid I don't follow that logic. If there are many instances of a trope, why should none of them be listed at all? If there are other ones, they should be linked too!
04:33:58 PM Jan 8th 2012
How about the fact that it's not really a trope, and not displayed in the game itself? That good enough?
11:02:54 AM Jan 9th 2012
...There's really no reason to be so hostile. I was just asking a question.

Anyway, I suppose you're right. It should go in the Trivia tab then.
09:57:25 AM Jan 22nd 2012
edited by FoolsEditAccount
...And now it's been removed again, with no reason. People, if you want to remove things then fine, but is it really so much to ask for a reason?
07:09:41 PM Aug 14th 2011
edited by homogenized
About the possible shout out to the supposed twin dragons of Mother 3, I sure nowhere does the Mother 3 game mention a Light counterpart to the Dark Dragon, is there anyone else that has beaten the game remember anything that says there is one besides murals that no one in the game comments on? One would think the Magypsies would at hint at it or something. At this point it looks more like speculation on something that might Itoi might have purposely left vague, and I don't think you can call it a shout out if the thing it supposedly references isn't confirmed itself.

If it should stay, can it at least be agreed upon that it's more accurate to say "twin dragon murals" instead?
12:33:59 PM May 12th 2011
edited by PLA
09:53:54 AM Apr 23rd 2011
There are a LOT of spoiler tags in the article that should be removed. I'm currently in the process of removing the entirely pointless ones that were added pre-release.
10:42:06 AM Apr 23rd 2011
All spoiler tags relating to Caitlin have been removed. Koga's status as an Elite Four is not considered a spoiler, so why should Caitlin's be?
05:50:03 PM Mar 30th 2011
edited by FearOfTheUnknown
I'm disputing the validity of this The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard example:

  • Also, no matter which version, when you battle N for the last time, his Legendary will always be two levels above the one you just caught. If you're playing Black and have Reshiram, you might make it through the match-up, but otherwise, yours is just fabric softener so your others can step in and take it down.

Edit: Er... I guess I should put this in spoilers...

For one, he used it to help sweep the elite four, and the champion, so it makes sense for it to have gained at least 2 levels. Also, the legendary you catch, regardless of version, knows Dragonbreath, while N's has no dragon type damaging moves. So, in actuality, your legendary has a significant advantage over N's.
03:40:41 PM Sep 18th 2014
I say it's invalid. You can probably delete it.
04:56:41 PM Mar 18th 2011
The following Shout-Out entries have had their validity contested. Discuss.

  • Alternatively, a spirit possessed armor and one of the dex entries mention how the seal it has is a vital part of its being and messing with it is dangerous... Anyone else thinking of a cute blonde boy bound to a suit of armor? Golurk's design itself also resembles him somewhat.
  • Frillish and Jellicent's male and female forms are blue and pink, respectively, in their normal forms, while their shiny forms are green and purple. In Donkey Kong Country 3, one could input a code to give Dixie (pink) and Kiddy (blue) purple and green colored outfits. Considering they're both Nintendo games...
  • There is a Rock-type move called Smack Down: "Do You Smell It?"

02:22:25 AM Mar 22nd 2011
The word Smackdown is indelibly linked to The Rock: he single-handedly popularised the phrase in the late 90s/early 2000s to the point that it's now in proper dictionaries.
09:27:10 AM Mar 13th 2011
Seems to me that the Snivy family is supposed to represent a type of Vine Snake (, not a Grass Snake, as mentioned under the Blue Blood entry. Vine snakes do have toxic saliva, but no real venom, nor fangs, and are not deadly to humans. I think this entry needs some cleaning up.
04:53:11 AM Mar 5th 2011
What's this about the European version having story material cut out? I'm not too far into the game at the moment, just wondering if there are any massive differences?
11:32:24 AM Feb 27th 2011
I removed the "Skyla is similar to Yoko" entry because it was kinda pushing it. The most they have in common is reddish hair and large breasts.
02:30:59 PM Feb 14th 2011
Why do redirects to the other games keep getting changed to the ptitle? Whoever is doing it, you need to explain why, because it makes potholes pointless, and unreadable. We have redirects for a reason. I'm not going to change it right now, because that would be edit warring. But if no one explains it soon, I'm putting it back.
03:20:32 PM Feb 14th 2011
edited by SpellBlade
Whoops, wrong discussion page, ignore.
07:36:11 AM Feb 5th 2011
edited by holypork
Someone just went through and changed a bunch of names I haven't seen any of them before... Unless I've missed something...?
12:03:01 PM Feb 6th 2011
edited by AOTKorby
EDIT: Ok, lurking the Bulbapedia boards I found where the leaked names are coming from:

Some reviewer on Nintendo Life got a copy of Black for reviews and has been answering peoples' questions about the game.

He revealed gym leader names. E4 localizations released so far have been fake according to Bulbapedia. Not sure where "Blair", "Whitlea", and "Ghetsis" come from though. Continuing to look on Bulbapedia...
12:51:07 PM Feb 6th 2011
12:56:24 PM Feb 6th 2011
Yeah, done some more searching. Ghetsis also comes from the Nintendo Life guy (did he seriously expect the stuff he was revealing to not get leaked?), and the player characters come from the demo tour that's been going on. So all the names are confirmed.
11:20:53 AM Feb 10th 2011
Serebii confirmed them all (and the e4)
04:58:15 PM Jan 19th 2011
This troper would like to know where all the English names for the mons are coming up. They're certainly not on Serebii or any other credible news site, which continues to release names periodically. Not that I'm doubting them, I'm just being...scientifically minded.
07:06:00 PM Jan 19th 2011
The most recent ones are from the UK Nintendo Magazine. Dunno about the others.
04:35:32 PM Jan 20th 2011
Pokebeach has a confirmed list of all English names. It was posted before the UK Nintendo Magazine was released, and even before the latest release on the official site, and all of the revealed names matched those on the list.
07:35:05 AM Feb 5th 2011
Serebii has also confirmed them now.
01:34:38 PM Nov 30th 2010
Geechisu should be romanized as G Cis, not Goetis. An interview with Junichi Masuda in Coro Coro showed that he's named that because his theme uses G and C# (Cis) to create dissonance.
02:14:12 PM Nov 30th 2010
That might be an argument against using Goetis, but GCis makes no sense as a name, and that being the basis of his name doesn't mean it should be literally done as GCis. "Wartortle" comes from "turtle", but that doesn't mean it has to be "Warturtle".

Besides, source? I don't see this interview on any of the usual sites.
05:58:23 PM Dec 1st 2010
Maybe it should be Geecis then?

The interview is in Coro Coro and it's translated on Dogasu's Backpack.
08:16:37 PM Dec 1st 2010
Using "Gee" is still weird. What I extrapolate from that interview is that "ゲー" is either how Germans pronounce "G" (as a music note or otherwise, no idea) or how Japanese people refer to the "G" in the letter-note system (as opposed to solfege, where it's "so(l)" or the Japanese system, where it's "to").

In any case, you can only really argue for Gcis if you're going to be a purist about this.
07:08:47 PM Dec 5th 2010
It should be Geecis, then, from "gee" and "cis". Either way, "Goetis" definitely contradicts Word of God.
10:20:56 AM Dec 6th 2010
Yeah, Goetis is the farthest. Geechis, or something seems to be closer.
11:25:57 AM Jan 2nd 2011
If someone's going to try to fix this, could they at least do it in a less lazy fashion than "Ctrl+F Goetis" and changing every one to "Geechisu" indiscriminately? It's causing a lot of stupid redundancy, not the least of which being the Spell My Name with an "S" entry.
06:13:52 PM Feb 1st 2011
Oh, total Fridge Brilliance! Geecis, as pronounced how it looks, and like the notes for his theme, would sound uncomfortably similar to Jesus. So...not gonna happen.
03:36:22 PM Nov 11th 2010
edited by TorchicBlaziken

Clarify. What's Rank 5?
08:50:35 AM Jan 12th 2013
Wifi ranking
07:01:05 AM Nov 3rd 2010
Troper Montblanc told me 'Barujiina' is actually 'Vuljina' which is how Japanese wold speel 'vulgare'. So this is changed on the B&W page. But the problem is is that when I search in Serebii or Bulbapedia, nothing is found with 'Vuljina'. I know how japanese language works, but I changed everything to 'Baru' in order to let people google the name. Otherwise they can't find it. I know I googled all those pokemon names to find out what tropers were talking about. So what shall we do?
12:49:46 PM Nov 3rd 2010
No, 'baruchaa' would be how they transliterate 'vulture.' I don't know where the 'jina' part comes from, though.

Serebii and Bulbapedia mostly use the official transliterations of the names, which I (and I imagine others) don't care for because they miss a lot of the funny puns or the spirit of the name. Like, デスカーン is officially and literally 'Desukaan' but a better translation in my opinion would be 'Deathkan' ('death' + 'kan,' the Japanese word for coffin). The literal translations do work for some names (like Futachimaru), but not for others (Ranculus instead of Rankurusu). This page has used mostly translated names instead of transliterated names, so I figured that we should keep it that way. So there's my two cents.
02:07:32 PM Nov 3rd 2010
Oh, now I understand. And I assume we mostly change everything when their English names are released, right? Except Vuljina in order for people to understand the joke.
07:43:23 PM Nov 3rd 2010
Yeah, pretty much. And we'd probably note any Japanese version puns, still. Because Vuljina is too terrible a pun to waste.
03:52:18 PM Oct 29th 2010
edited by batfan
Um... What the heck happened to the WMG Page? Sorry if I'm misinformed, but is it really site policy to delete WMGs that are predictions about something after that something comes out? Why? Are they not notable anymore? This notion that guesses stop becoming guesses after they are either confirmed or Jossed boggles my mind. As far as I'm concerned, half of the fun of WMG is making predictions to see if they are either Jossed or I Knew It!. Three years after the book came out there's still a page for guesses about the seventh Harry Potter Book. Those guesses didn't get deleted; they just got separated from the rest of the WMGs. So why can't we do the same with the Pokémon Black and White predictions? It's pretty simple; just create a new folder on the page that say Pokemon Black And White Predictions. That way they don't clutter the page, but they aren't just deleted like they never existed or that they don't matter any more.

PS: And what is exactly is wrong with the name theories or the Earthbound crossover theories?
06:07:13 PM Nov 1st 2010
edited by Marioguy128
I dunno what happened there, people in Ask The Tropers think it's vandalism. I restored them, but some things may have gotten scrambled up in the process.

Edit: Oh, sorry. I accidentally did an Edit Stomp on your work.
08:06:51 PM Nov 1st 2010
I think a bunch of stuff never got re-added. And I can't do much about it because I'm editing from my phone. Hopefully someone will see this post and look into it, but if they don't by the time I'm able to use an actual computer, I'll take care of it.
02:16:25 PM Mar 4th 2011
Sorry I'm a Slowpoke, but I did that because I was too lazy to make a new folder. I'll fix that in two days.
08:51:31 PM Oct 28th 2010
So, my mind is totally blown by the suggestion that Geechisu/Geechis/Geetis is supposed to be "Goetis." It ties in perfectly with his position as one of the Seven Sages (Goetis comes from the Greek word for sorcery) and his desire to summon one of the dragons (Goetia being the title of a book on demon summoning). Should we change all references to 'Goetis'? It fits so well, and I doubt Game Freak will ever give us his Anglicanized name (And if they do, it might not help much. Desukaan instead of Deathkan, really?)
09:30:12 PM Oct 28th 2010
I agree, and it's good something finally turned up, because direct transliterations like "Geechisu" bug the hell out of me. I've proposed "Goetis" to Bulbapedia as well.
08:01:17 PM Oct 31st 2010
Well, since no one else is objecting (or commenting in general), I'll go ahead and change it.
03:52:58 PM Nov 2nd 2010
...Except that when we're talking Greek, rather than German, "oe" is pronounced like a long "o". At least according to Wikipedia, the "oe" in "Goetia" should indeed be pronounced that way.

04:05:00 PM Nov 2nd 2010
edited by urutapu
Hrm...and if it were "Goetis", the katakana would likely be "Goetisu" or "Goeteisu", not "Gēchisu"...
10:03:45 PM Nov 4th 2010
Wait, "ゲーティア" appears on the Japanese wikipedia's Goetia article. It's legal, then.
11:24:00 AM Oct 27th 2010
I'm going to take a controversial stance here and say that I really, really like the new Pokemon.
11:24:56 AM Oct 27th 2010
That's for the forum.
06:25:30 AM Aug 18th 2011
This isn't the forum?
03:59:46 AM Sep 24th 2010
edited by
According to pixiv encyclopedia page about Touya or Touko, player can meet the Spear Counterpart (and even become a partner for a while) at certain place in the game (which is why there are default names for them), so I think Schrödinger's Player Character trope is not applied.
01:32:51 AM Sep 25th 2010
Not a problem. Already fixed it.
04:45:22 PM Sep 25th 2010
The names on the character page.

Until they are confirmed, shouldn't we just leave it at Black and White?
10:33:11 PM Sep 25th 2010
That's kinda why I left Black and White on the character pages alongside the new names. Just in case and all.
06:34:00 PM Sep 26th 2010
I know, but they aren't confirmed yet so why do we have them? They could be fakes for all we know.
11:10:09 AM Oct 9th 2010
where did they come from, anyway?
08:56:30 PM Sep 21st 2010
  • Why do some of the Pokemon have darker and edgier Dex entries? Because the protagonists that are entering them are older... or because they're "American".

I am confused by this particular statement, as dex entries have always been really goddamn creepy and the ones that people consider 'darker and edgier' are probably par for the course. I mean... Shedninja? Darkrai? Parasect? Hypno? Gorebyss? Kabutops? Grovyle, one of the evolutions of the cute little starters? ...I think I can stop listing things by this point.
06:30:07 PM Sep 20th 2010
Considering how big this page is getting, would it be a good idea to, say, make separate folders on the page for game-related tropes, new pokemon-related tropes, and Audience Reaction Tropes? I think just adding those three folders would make a big difference in making the page less messy and more accessable. Of course, I don't want to do it before I bring it to the discussion page to get a few yay or nays. Of course, if I don't get any responce to this topic in a day or two, I'm going to go ahead and add the folders, which is sure to get attention, in which case I will change it back if I get vehement opposition.
01:02:13 AM Sep 21st 2010
I agree with this. It's kinda misleading, if only for a few seconds, to read a trope name and then realize it doesn't concern the actual game but the Fan Dumb. Plus, it may separate the good and bad qualities a little...whether or not that is a good or bad thing is up to you, but hey, then we can categorize it!
09:16:02 AM Sep 22nd 2010
I added the folders. I think these will work, but in particular I wasn't sure about the tropes relating to new characters. I couldn't decide whether to merge them with new pokemon tropes or game tropes, or to just add them all to the Character Page, so for now I made it its own folder, though it is by far the smallest one.
05:45:48 PM Sep 22nd 2010
I'd say merge the new character tropes with the Character Page. By the way, you did a really excellent job organizing the page, I'm tempted to push you to do the same to the other Pokemon pages.
09:05:37 AM Sep 18th 2010
Should we be saying that he Caitlin/Katelaya(?) from this game is the same as Gen. 4's Caitlin? We thought the same about Mamanbou, and look how that turned out.
12:35:09 PM Oct 5th 2010
They look very alike and they share the same name. Why shouldn't they be the same? It's different with Mamanbou, since the names are nothing alike and they just look similar (think Ekans and Seviper.)
11:07:28 PM Sep 16th 2010
Should there be a "New Pokémon" folder in the Characters page? None of the other games have a Pokémon folder.
07:26:52 PM Sep 16th 2010
Put this up if I don't do it when the article is no longer checked out.

  • Lying Creator: No cameos of previous generation characters? Cynthia begs to differ.
11:05:38 PM Sep 16th 2010
Someone else added this under Urban Legend of Zelda:
  • Not a true example but it still fits under it. A quote was taken largely out of context. It stated that Oak was not appearing in these games, which was noted since he appeared in every other gen and is connected to the series. It was warped into "No cameos from previous generations will appear".
11:09:28 PM Sep 14th 2010
edited by homogenized
Are cotton plants really that associated with racism? Has living as a Chinese-Canadian in the insignificant little village of Winnipeg left me really sheltered in that area? I mean, that anonymous guy was/is obvious, but I'm not so sure of myself with this one since the one correcting is the infinitely more reasonable urutapu.

I also really thought that stuff that exclusive to the Black version wouldn't really come under that much scrutiny just because it's the "Black" version. I wonder if it would be as bad if they chose other names like "Clear" and "Opaque" or something.
11:13:46 PM Sep 14th 2010
Cotton was the cash crop in the Deep South for centuries and it remained so by the use of African American slave labor and until the Civil Rights Movement black sharecroppers. So yes, the cotton thing is a case of Unfortunate Implications.

I severely doubt that was the intention of the Japanese development team but it does come off as racist if unitentionally.
03:19:21 AM Sep 15th 2010
That, and the word cotton picker is considered a racial slur, but like Rhyme Beat said, there's no way it was intentional. I doubt a Japanese development team would know about that.
01:06:11 PM Sep 16th 2010
This would be a good time to pul la Gold And Silver and switch version exclusives for the American realease.
12:34:56 AM Jan 24th 2011
edited by ViperSean
It wouldn't make much of a difference, as this one just happens to be part of the only a pair of version exclusives where you can trade for the other in-game (cue the slave trading jokes).
01:13:13 AM Sep 11th 2010
I think the page as it is may be a bit confused. I find it hard to believe that Yanappu (Grass) gains Elvis hair and a smirk upon evolution when Baoppu (Fire) already has Elvis hair and a smirk.
07:23:58 AM Sep 11th 2010
Well, Pokexperto has been more-or-less confirmed to be right, and he said that it was Yanappu that gained the pompadour.
02:45:03 AM Sep 10th 2010
10:31:47 PM Sep 2nd 2010
edited by homogenized
Just in case the guy that added it doesn't come back, can someone tell me what the supposed Unfortunate Implications are surrounding Iris? Could it be that I just haven't read and watched enough of the news releases involving her?
12:06:28 AM Sep 3rd 2010
I guess because she's Ambiguously Brown and seems to know her way around the jungle? I don't see it as much of a thing, but whatever.
07:51:48 AM Sep 3rd 2010
Because EVERYTHING IS RACIST. Actually it's probably the jungle thing, which could be unfortunate depending on how they handle it. Though I'm theorizing that she has some connection with N because they both seem to have backgrounds involving living in the wild, so I'm not going to read too much into it unless her portrayal does have offensive elements to it.

I am honestly more confused about the unfortunate implications around the arm of the one guy doing the coronation being a darker color than his other arm, which may be the result of scarring, tattooing, or even the lighting rather than HAHA OH MAN LET'S MAKE THIS DUDE LITERALLY HALF BLACK AND HALF WHITE FOR EXTRA SYMBOLISM DESPITE THE FACT THAT GENETIC CONDITIONS THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO HAVE BOTH DARK AND LIGHT SKIN IN PLACES GENERALLY DON'T WORK THAT WAY. Especially since the guy in the fur coat looks like him, implying that it's probably scarring, tattooing, or the lighting. Can we stop jumping the gun on calling things racist until we... you know... actually know what's going on with them...
11:02:27 AM Sep 3rd 2010
Yeah, I don't see how anyone could see Iris as racist (I think she looks like she might be one of the coolest characters in the anime, since, I dunno, ever.), but on the other hand, she comes across as a character that people would look way too into and declare to be racist. Kind of meta, I guess.

What's unfortunate about the black/white guy is that skin color doesn't work that way, making him look like a weird fantasy character instead of a normal mixed-race guy. And I don't think it's lighting or scars, his skin looks normal other than the color and the newest trailer looked a lot clearer so you can see that he has one arm with a white sleeve and black arm and another with a blue sleeve and white arm. I also don't think he's the fur coat guy because their outfits are different colors.
01:20:59 PM Sep 3rd 2010
I think he's the same guy in a different outfit that's being used for the coronation; the fur coat is probably his... er... 'normal' outfit. N's also wearing a different, more coronation-appropriate outfit, and you don't see anyone claiming that he's not N based on that fact.

The guy in the trailer and the sprite of the guy in the fir coat who's speaking for Team Plasma also have the same hair color and weird triple ahoge, and it's reasonable to assume that Team Plasma is responsible for N's coronation because of their medieval theme. Plus even in the trailer you can see parts of his face on that side and it's... only his arm that's really clearly a different color from the other side of his body, which suggests to me that it's either a stylized burn scar (or a Legendary-induced Red Right Hand, I've seen both portrayed similar to this dude in anime before) or it's a special tattoo/skin makeup that's symbolically used in the coronation ritual rather than his actual, natural skin color.

That's why I'm saying that we should wait until we figure out what's going on with that dude and see his actual Sugimori artwork before we decide that Gamefreak's failing biology and basic observation forever by being unfortunate and portraying people of mixed race as being literally half black and half white.
04:26:48 PM Sep 3rd 2010
The thing is, there's another dude in the coronation scene who looks more like the fur coat guy, only it looks like he's just wearing a long yellow robe and not fur. It doesn't seem to have the blue sleeve, either. On the other hand, he also has the same ahoge as fur coat and black/white guy and...GAH! It's too confusing. Maybe you're right, and we should wait. :T
11:04:17 PM Sep 3rd 2010
...maybe they're twins IDK.

Or maybe ahoge dude is actually a magical girl.
09:39:57 AM Sep 4th 2010
The leader being a magical girl is the only way Team Plasma could get any cooler.
11:45:20 PM Sep 5th 2010
Looks like is insistent that Iris is a racial stereotype and that "Black and White" is a racist title for that matter. It's actually caused a little Edit War between him and me on the Video Games page, mainly because he just won't explain anything, appearently thinking simply saying that she and the title are examples is all that is needed. Should a YMMV or something be added when he adds it back yet again, just so it won't continue on?

I admit at this point I'm mostly curious as to his specific reasoning behind this, especially the Wall Banger of the title implication.
05:40:43 PM Sep 6th 2010
edited by DragonRanger
Whoever it is, they did it again. I replaced it with a commented-out note this time to make absolutely sure they see it if/when they try to add "Iris." again.

EDIT: ...aaand within minutes, they replaced my note with "Iris". AND Rhyme Beat re-replaced "Iris" with my note. Can we call this guy a troll now?

EDIT 2: And I come back later and he put "Iris" in again, commenting "Stop being racist." For politely asking for an explanation. Yep, troll.
09:23:54 PM Sep 6th 2010
He's going to lengths to make sure that Token Minority and Unfortunate Implications are added to her character sheet on the anime page without giving any explanation as well.
01:57:44 PM Sep 8th 2010
Iris is a racist stereotype.
02:05:49 PM Sep 8th 2010
How so, guy?
05:22:47 PM Sep 8th 2010
Can we just ban this obvious Troll?
05:24:17 PM Sep 8th 2010
Rephrasing the question; Aloe was put because she remembers the "mammy" stereotype. Which racist stereotype Iris remembers?
08:49:21 PM Sep 8th 2010
edited by homogenized
It's possible this guy was already banned, considering he now has a new IP address. Not much we can do in that case except keep watch on the pages.

Geeze. This guy's "methods of persuasion" (making claims without backing them up, making more unbacked claims and accusations when questioned) remind me of that McCarthy guy I read about when I was looking up stuff about witch hunts in high school.
06:28:03 PM Sep 2nd 2010
edited by RhymeBeat
Again? Anyone with half a brain can see it as New York Noe. None of the other regions (save for Hoenn) have confirmations just geographic and cultural simmilaritirs.
08:56:37 AM Aug 31st 2010
Okay, so is there a confirmation on what system this game will be on? I keep hearing people deducing that it's gonna be on the DS by the pre-orders but my friend keeps adamantly stating that Nintendo is releasing it as a Killer App for the 3DS?
10:03:01 AM Aug 31st 2010
It's for the DS.

Besides, with all those other great titles lined up for the 3DS, I don't think Pokemon needs to be considered a killer app...
12:33:07 PM Aug 31st 2010
thank friend's not gonna believe me. He's claiming its gonna be like the original Phoenix Wright, where the first comes out on the DS in japan, but the localization team makes it for the 3DS :D
09:13:41 PM Aug 31st 2010
edited by homogenized
Your friend has it wrong with Phoenix Wright anyway, the localization team didn't port it from GBA to DS, the port was for the Japanese audience. It just also ended up being a convenient situation to bring the game (and after it's success, the series) to North America. Phoenix Wright was also out for a while before they decided to port it, this game hasn't even been released yet.

Your friend must be in deep denial, is really gullible, or something I don't have words for.
03:04:04 PM Aug 20th 2010
Holy crap... I don't know if I'm a genius, or if it was just so obvious that nobody else felt the need to point it out, but look at this.

The next installation of the Pokemon anime is called "Pokemon: Best Wishes, "translated from "Poketto Monsutā Besuto Uisshu!" according to The Other Wiki.

Poketto Monsutā Besuto Uisshu!

Besuto Uisshu!


Wait... Isshu? That's the region we're in now!
03:25:42 PM Aug 20th 2010
Yeah, Pokebeach pointed it out awhile ago. I didn't notice before that, though.
04:57:36 PM Aug 17th 2010
Where was it confirmed that no gen V Pokemon is connected to pervious gen one?
09:51:45 PM Aug 17th 2010
edited by homogenized
He may be interpreting "no old Pokemon pre-National Dex" to mean that.

Generally, I go by this when it comes to Pokemon Black and White info: if it doesn't show up on Bulbapedia,, and the like, then it's probably some twisted truth or something made up to fool gullible/paranoid people.

Like the claims Musharna was intentionally made to look like a fetus or that Aloe has a pancake and syrup themed gym.
07:16:12 AM Aug 18th 2010
Either way, I think that Trope for 'Took a level in badass' should still stay off, until we at least have some idea of how that potential Luvdisc evo would work.
11:27:51 AM Aug 22nd 2010
Agreed, I'm just asking.
12:20:04 PM Aug 22nd 2010
edited by cassius335
Emonga, at the very least, looks suspiciously like a Pachirisu evo...
08:45:31 PM Aug 26th 2010
Well, IF they are evolutions to non-Isshu Pokemon, I have some ideas...

You can catch the evolutions in the wild, but breeding is unavailable until the endgame.


Breeding is avaiable all along (because it would be difficult to justify pushing it to the endgame) but you need a special incense to get the basic forms. The incense is not available until the endgame.

With either of these ideas, Pachirisu and Luvdisc have an evolution method that allows them to evolve at an early level (such as by learning a newly introduced move, which is learned at a low level.)

Just an idea. I'm probably wrong.
10:54:43 AM Aug 17th 2010 Really? There are so many named ships associated with this game already. Dear Christ.
05:53:52 PM Aug 7th 2010
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I'm seeing some Square Peg, Round Trope taking effect with the mass amount of non-Expy Expies listed here. I'm not sure where to draw the line, but there seems to be a lot of examples that say "character/Pokemon X looks like something-else Y, therefore he/she/it is an Expy."
07:33:59 PM Aug 7th 2010
Agreeing with this, The sheer size of the Expy section is also rather alarming.
09:32:16 PM Dec 10th 2010
And in many cases, they don't even look OR fight alike, but people throw the expy label anyway.

Seriously, the new ghost/fire guy is listed as an expy of the Gengar line, despite them looking nothing alike, having vastly different combat roles, and being different types. But somehow, because they both share one type and high special attack, they're "expies." That character page needs cleanup. And yes, I'm a bit late.
11:47:07 PM Aug 3rd 2010
edited by Troublethecat
You know, I think the only real Unfortunate Implications about Aloe is that apparently a fictional black woman can't wear an apron without it being considered a racist stereotype. >>; Without the apron, people would just comment on her looking like she walked straight out of the seventies and that'd be it.
08:25:22 AM Aug 3rd 2010
edited by CypherFDP
The greatest early route bug ever.

Check it out on Pokebeach and Serebii.
09:01:06 AM Aug 3rd 2010
All I see are image leaks.
10:05:56 AM Aug 3rd 2010
Do you not see the little leafbug?
10:06:37 AM Aug 3rd 2010
Oh, oops.

I took bug to mean glitch for some reason...
09:53:55 PM Aug 2nd 2010
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I love how we're talking about the unfortunate implications behind the Team Plasma symbol being a Chi-Rho when it actually looks more like a misshapen parakeet, the (or a standard sword and shield insignia if you're feeling boring).

http:// (copy/paste without the space) Like so. It also looks more like the Rod of Asclepius, shown here:

TL;DR can we please wait for better quality images/scans of Team Plasma before we start troping their symbol?
10:22:49 PM Aug 2nd 2010
I dunno, it would have to look like a P somehow, and the only thing I'm unsure about is whether that's an x or > over it. It could go either way.

If it does turn out to be a Chi-Rho, I don't believe that Game Freak actually intended it to be a Take That! against Catholicism. They probably saw it and thought 'Hey, cool! This looks like some kind of medieval P, let's use it!' Now, if it was Atlus...
10:40:57 PM Aug 2nd 2010
Oh yeahhh I totally had a dumbass moment there. Though the P does look... rather more like the Russian F than a P at this quality. Maybe it's meant to be two swords crossed through it?

That's true as well, especially if they're going for a Knights Templar theme. It's also possible that it's more of a coincidence that it resembles a Chi-Rho because Game Freak intended it to look like a heraldic symbol without knowing it was similar to a religious symbol. Game Freak generally doesn't go for as much gratuitous religious symbolism, as some other countries, so I'm willing to bet it could be accidental.

12:07:13 PM Aug 3rd 2010
Well, new images of Team Plasma leaked, if you want to look at them. Still not a very good view of their logo. If it is a Chi-Rho, it's a very stylized one.
01:53:14 PM Aug 3rd 2010
I can definitely see the Chi-Rho, but it's looks to me like a Rho laid over a Chi (each has its own black outline with blue fill) as opposed to a unified symbol.
12:51:26 PM Sep 6th 2010
I know I'm late to this one, but we've seen the Plasma insignia in complete detail now, and it's definitely not a Chi-Rho.
04:18:32 PM Aug 2nd 2010
So, when should we start making a Character Sheet? Iris already has one on the anime page, and we've seen about 10 seconds of her in action. Or should we wait until the games are released/leaked?
05:06:56 PM Aug 2nd 2010
Let's wait until at least the Gym Leaders and Elite Four are revealed.
05:34:54 PM Aug 2nd 2010
Right-o then.
06:12:16 PM Jul 31st 2010
12:31:59 AM Jul 13th 2010
Guys, I have a suggestion. How about we don't bother with slapping down the region that Isshu is based on until we get confirmation one way or another?
09:14:31 AM Jul 13th 2010
(this is Montblanc typing) Because everything points toward it being New York. Everyone that says it's Shanghai ignores the fact that the center island/peninsula (where Hiun City is located) has islands/peninsulas on BOTH sides (Shanghai has two peninsulas with a couple of tiny islands in between them) and Hong Kong and Shanghai both are wedge shaped, whereas Manhattan Island is long a skinny, like Isshu. That, plus the pigeon (look at my post above for more info) and the prairie dog (which I first thought was a chipmunk), which is native to America. The early Pokemon tend to be based on animals you can find in the wild in the real-world region. Also, one early screenshot (the one that had the abandoned factory and traffic cones) seemed to feature a black guy, though I could be mistaken on that part. And don't forget the bald eagle.

I did think for a while that Isshu was Hong Kong based on the black/white dragons, the shape of Hiun City and the comment you could only reach it from the other regions by boat/plane (it's a lot easier to go to Hong Kong by boat from Japan than New York), but ever since the map was revealed, I changed my mind.

That was far too many words for a children's monster-battling game. I hang my head in shame.
10:18:15 AM Jul 13th 2010
Yeah, the maps are pretty convincing, and Wargle clinched it for me. I'm open to the idea of other locations, but show me a map comparing them to Isshu first.
11:02:10 PM Jul 13th 2010
Do we have confirmation on any of the regions besides Hoenn?
04:41:30 PM Jul 15th 2010
Judging by an above conversation, I'd say no.

When should it be considered confirmed whether or not it is New York/elsewhere? I would think they would be more likely to confirm what location they based it on, due to it being outside Japan, but who knows.
04:46:38 PM Jul 19th 2010
Related to the above (if vaguely), the new Pokemon trailer has been leaked to YouTube and it's actually pretty cool looking. It seems from the opening shot that it will take place in a very large city on a peninsula. If it takes place in Hiun City (like I hope), we'll likely get confirmation on where it is based on, as all previous movies have been based on real-world cities, as confirmed by the staff multiple times (The Deoxys movie was based on Vancouver and the Arceus movie was based on Greece, from what I recall)

Then again, none of the past movies have took place at in-game locations, so it's unlikely. :/
09:11:38 AM Jul 20th 2010
It's probably because I've only been following this on TV Tropes and I haven't visited fan forums or anything, but can someone please show me the evidence that suggests locations besides NYC? Because as I said, the Isshu/NYC comparison maps are pretty convincing, and I'd like to see why people think otherwise.
01:35:51 PM Jul 20th 2010
There's a couple of Shanghai/Hong Kong comparison maps floating around that do show some interesting parallels, but for the life of me I can't find them anymore. They might have been on an old Bulbagarden topic. Other than that, it's the yin-yang theme and the fact that it's not Japan (and as I mentioned before, those two cities are more accessible to Japan via boat than New York is.) This is again off-topic, but I hope that next gen takes place in a different country again. I would KILL for a region based on the British Isles. With a lion and unicorn dual legendary and a raven to finish off the trio. OMG.
08:25:17 PM Jul 21st 2010
Red White and Blue Eagle Pokemon. That is all.
09:25:58 PM Jul 21st 2010
Can we not do this here? Go to some forum somewhere.

Besides, there aren't any hyenas in Japan, are there? A particular Pokemon doesn't really mean much to the game being set in some location.
09:57:22 AM Jul 22nd 2010
Yes, but as I said up above, the first bird you encounter in the wild is always from the country the region is based on, as well as the first rodent. Poochyena is not supposed to be from Japan, it's like all the hundreds of other Pokemon that are based on animals outside the country. Mamepato is a feral pigeon, which is not found in China (barring one tiny region that's not Shanghai or Hong Kong), and Minezumi is a prairie dog, which is only found in the US. Wargle is icing on the cake.

I'm arguing here because I believe all the 'Isshu is New York' stuff should be put back on the page. Game Freak might never confirm what country it's based on, as they apparently haven't done so in the past (Hoenn being the exception). I figured it was better to hear people's arguments for/against New York/Shanghai/Hong Kong here than for constant edit wars on the main page until there is some sort of consensus whether or not it is based on some specific country.
05:15:10 PM Jul 24th 2010
Libety Ticket. There is no way in hell Isshu is in any place but New York now. Can we but back the reference to Isshu's location?
05:43:41 PM Jul 24th 2010
Yeah, Game Freak keeps revealing more and more stuff that seem to point toward it being New York. It's crazy.

I'd say go for it, but the again, I'm biased toward the Isshu=New York theory, as you might guess.
05:57:36 PM Jul 24th 2010
Liberty ticket. China is the last place an item called the Liberty Ticket would be found even if there wasn't the Satue of Libery in New York.
09:57:27 AM Aug 21st 2010
I'm starting to think the people are bias to America. I mean, what would be the odds that in an English (language) forum on whatever (New York) Isshu would be based on that the people would be Americans. But seriously, "rats" and "pigeons". How is that evidence? You can find that in any country. Of course, "liberty ticket" and "football players" seems to be evidences, but people are ignoring evidences that goes against New York or points to otherwise.
06:17:28 PM Aug 21st 2010
The thing is, in past games, the early bird (hohoho) and rodent have been based on animals specifically found in Japan (though it is difficult to place Rattata Pidgey and Spearow). Starly, for instance, isn't based on the starling most Americans or Europeans are familiar with, but the white-cheeked starling, which is native to Asia. The rock or feral pigeon isn't found in Shanghai or Hong Kong, two of the most popular suggestions. The prarie dog and woodchuck (whatever Minezumi and Miruhog are supposed to be based off, but it is obviously not a rat) are native to North America. Add that to all of the other evidence, and New York has a very strong case.

What is it that points against it being New York? I haven't seen anything against it, just stuff that could point toward it being Shanghai (but most of it is stuff based purely on the map that was released forever ago, while more evidence comes out that points toward New York all the time). I'm genuinely curious.
10:28:01 PM Aug 22nd 2010
I have to admit the evidences does point to New York, but it doesn't really confirm it. Geography is pretty much one of the points. I mean you have to admit. Isshu does resemble Shanghai. There is a mountain located on the left side, which New York doesn't have. Of course, I know there isn't a mountain on the right side either (or maybe not). The desert could be based on the Songze ancient culture site. I mean there have been info about the desert being an archaeological site. I don't think they would base it on "Ground Zero" (no offense). There is also the possibility of the city below the lake being based on Suzhou, due to similarities such as being a "city of canals", having one of the largest ferris wheels (fourth, I think), and being origin of Kunqu, one of the oldest form of Chinese operas (musicals). Besides the yin-yang motif, there has also been subtle references to Chinese culture. For examples, just check the "Just Bugs Me" page and look for the blog about Shanghai. (Summary is in the hidden text). Of course, I can't deny the evidences (liberty, football, broadway, wargle), but then again the possibility of Isshu being Shanghai or even "Shanghattan" can't be ignored.
06:00:21 PM Aug 23rd 2010
Oh, I agree there's some compelling geographic evidence for Shanghai, but I don't feel there has been any new evidence since the map came out (besides the musicals and that can either be a reference to Chinese theater or Broadway) and the shape can go either way I feel, as Shanghai is more wedge-shaped but Manhattan is not a complete match either. I have no idea why some people suggest that the desert would represent Ground Zero though, that would be quite tasteless of Game Freak to do something like that, lol. I'm mostly wondering what disproves New York.

I will admit that it could be possible that they did take some elements of Shanghai and put in New York (Chinatown?) or vice versa. I didn't find out until recently that Sootopolis was heavily based off a Greek city for instance.
01:45:38 AM Sep 9th 2010
I think it is a better idea to not mention it until someone or something really confirms it. To me, Isshu is Isshu and nothing else. Everything either side has mentioned, I'm not taking into account. The region could be anything. Trainer classes mean nothing - Sinnoh, anyone?
10:28:39 PM Sep 9th 2010
edited by homogenized
According to the edit list Iwata and Masuda confirmed that Isshu is indeed based on New York, but I don't know where to find the confirmation on the net.
11:46:16 AM Jul 11th 2010
What is Cheren's sex? Is it still unconfirmed?
11:52:50 AM Jul 11th 2010
Pokebeach acts as if male is confirmed, but looking at the text on the Coro Coro page, I see nothing either way. Although I am personally adamant on Cheren being male.
04:33:11 PM Jun 27th 2010
edited by CypherFDP
We've got some new trailer chaos. Said trailer reveals 8 new Pokemon.

TOTAL GEN V POKEMON KNOWN: 22 (3 have unknown names)
04:43:29 PM Jun 27th 2010
And there's now apparently 3 on 3 Pokemon battles now. Sweet. XD
05:11:08 PM Jun 27th 2010
edited by urutapu
3 on 3 what. This means a preposterous overhaul of the battle system. It could work out but I have trouble imagining anything but a clusterfuck.

And yeah, I think it's time to stop listing new Pokemon then...I'll put them here for reference though:
  • デスカーン Desukān (Deathkhan? "Death" and kan/"coffin"): Seems to be a possessed sarcophagus; presumably somewhat similar to Spiritomb, then. An evolution, maybe?
  • デンチュラ Denchura (Dentula, den/"electricity" and tarantula): One assumes an electric tarantula.
  • ドリューズ Doryūzu (Doryuz? Doryū is an alternate reading of the kanji 土竜/mogura/"mole"): A mole with drills.
  • オノノクス Ononokusu (Ononox, why not. Looks pretty scary, so it's probably derived from ononoku/"to tremble with fear"): He's covered in blades.
  • モグリュー Moguryū (Moguryu? Another mogura pun): A smaller drill-mole.
10:04:29 PM Jun 28th 2010
I wonder how much of an impact 3 on 3 battles will really have, considering 2 on 2 battles still seem to be mostly ignored by those that would most feel the changes, ie. the competitive players. I'm certainly looking forward to it, if it's true. I would be happy with a greatly increased emphasis on 2 on 2 battles even.
10:49:13 PM Jun 28th 2010
Are you counting the Stage 1 & 2 forms of the starters? We know they exist, but haven't seen them.
09:46:26 PM Jun 24th 2010
I always thought Yin was the white color on a Taijitu, while Yang was the black. Apparently not.
06:29:33 PM Jun 19th 2010
Watch this video:

At 4:45, the music is oddly fast and nervous. Tsutaja is in low health mode with all the beeping and red health bar.

When Tsutaja is K.O'd, the music returns to the tempo it sounded like in previous clips.

Can it be that the music changes to fit the situation?!
09:07:13 PM Jun 19th 2010
edited by urutapu
So...Variable Mix? It's a bit hard to tell, though.
09:11:07 AM Jun 12th 2010
What Isshu and Huin are based on.

It seems like quite a few people have been mentioning it's based on so and so. It's unconfirmed so can we leave all references to it being based on specific places out?
03:46:53 PM Jun 12th 2010
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There is an uncanny resemblance in geographical shape, not just to Manhattan, but to Newark, NJ Jersey City (why do I get those two mixed up?) to the west and Brooklyn/Queens to the east. And it's Hiun.
11:25:38 PM Jun 12th 2010
Still, it hasn't been confirmed. Until GF says it's based on so and so I say we shouldn't talk about it here like it's canon.
11:30:20 PM Jun 12th 2010
Are any of the regional match-ups Canon? I thought that {[Fanon}} was simply putting two and two together?
12:06:28 AM Jun 13th 2010
When Fanon is incredibly obviously true, I tend to take it as true. And like Rhyme Beat said, they haven't actually said themselves that Kanto is based on Kanto, et cetera, but christ, just compare the regions and what parts of Japan they're based on. Virtually no difference.
02:13:30 PM Jun 13th 2010
Pretty sure Hoenn's expyness was confirmed when Word of God gave the reason it was rotated.
03:44:38 PM Jun 13th 2010
Yeah, I think so, but what about the other three?
10:45:36 PM Jun 17th 2010
NYC and Shanghai seems to be popular.
10:59:06 AM Jul 9th 2010
I was trying to figure out what species of pigeon Mamepato was based off of, and I decided it must be based on the Feral Pigeon. Now, chances are, if you live in a big city, you've seen these guys before. Unless you live in China. (note: that little peninsula is not Shanghai or Hong Kong.) Just thought it was interesting and would like to share. (before you complain about the presence of say, zebras and baboons in a big city, all the previous trash birds have been based on Japanese birds like the barn swallow, white-cheeked starling, the Japanese eagle owl. Pidgey and Spearow are harder to place, but I'm thinking Eurasian tree sparrow and the Japanese sparrowhawk)
10:59:47 AM Jul 9th 2010
Whoops, just look at the map here
01:44:02 AM Sep 9th 2010
I think we shouldn't think what Isshu is based on for now until something confirms it. Let's just think Isshu is Isshu, alright? Neither side convinces me. (Sinnoh has these farmers and yet is obviously Japan)
02:32:39 PM Jun 11th 2010
Where'd the name Yew come from? Yew is Ichii in Japanese and even if Yew was the translation of Araragi that isn't the official name yet.
02:47:25 PM Jun 11th 2010
Araragi is another word for yew, according the the Japanese Wikipedia.

But using the name Yew here is not something to be done.
03:54:20 PM Jun 12th 2010
Just as a quick glimpse through Bulbapedia, Ookido means orchid, not Oak. Utsugi is deutzia and not Elm. Odamaki is aquilegia and not Birch.

The fourth generation's Rowan is a direct translation though.
12:42:40 PM May 28th 2010
edited by CypherFDP
01:27:19 PM May 28th 2010
Is anyone else getting tired of this Legendaries shtick? How many do we have now? Three dozen? What's so legendary about that? Whatever happened to the good old days, when "Legendary" was one in every thirty, not one in every fifteen?

I know it's kind of arbitrary It Just Bugs Me!, but I'm just sick of all the one-ups-manship with the legendaries. I liked the first Pokemon games because I took these little weaklings from the forest and turned them into total bad-asses. I don't buy into this "the real goal is to capture Cthulu and throw your blue collar Pokemon away" garbage.
01:59:47 PM May 28th 2010
12:29:33 AM May 29th 2010
>implying there aren't a million world mythologies each with its own million seemingly superfluous deities
06:19:54 AM Aug 14th 2010
Yeah, the legendaries aren't really so legendary anymore... I almost never use them since everyone else is using them and I get bored with seeing those sprites. :))
06:44:56 AM Aug 31st 2010
well it's part of the whole pokemon thing, a Sequel Inflation thing. I mean, the first game had four legendaries (The birds and Mewtwo) the second had five (The great birds and the roaming dogs) the third is where it lost it though, i do believe it had nine. The fourth had five. If those are the only two new legendaries, i think it's fine.
05:37:18 AM Sep 17th 2010
edited by CNash
Eh, "Legendary" in the original games never meant more than "one per cartridge" and "most NPCs have never seen them, but will tell you stories about how awesome they are". On another note, it's not the number of legendary species that make them rare; it's the rareness of a species that makes it one of the legendary. But now for something more interesting: The "Legendary" have been clumped together from three groups of pokemon in the translation. In japanese versions you'll find "pokemon from legends", "pokemon that may or may not exist", and "pokemon from myth".
04:42:44 AM Feb 22nd 2011
edited by ronasokily
The fourth had much, much more than 5 legendaries: Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, the 3 pixies, Heatran, Darkrai, Cresselia, Manapyh, Phione, and Shaymin, if not more.
01:12:45 PM May 27th 2010
(Trucker caps relevant to eighties hair.)

Alright, I'll switch about the wording. How about something along the lines of 'complimenting this is the tuckers caps adding to the overall effect, however, these might be considered grandfather claused'.

Except of course with cleaner wording?

12:57:09 AM Jun 2nd 2010
Neither truckers caps or mullets are typical eighties styles. I know. I was there. The only people who wore truckers caps in the eighties were truckers and farmers; eighties hair was big and feathered all over, not short in front and long in back. Look at the pictures here.
03:39:39 PM May 16th 2010
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What? How is anyone in the games (other than Silver/Ethan and MAYBE Lucas) an Expy of Red? I don't see it...
08:23:56 AM Aug 6th 2010
Eh, the Entry do say that all male protags are expies of Red and while i myself think it is quite a stretch i would like to see that Beta Banner sprite though out of curiosity.
12:39:40 PM Aug 31st 2010
Well Gold/Ethan was a Totally Radical Expy of Red back in 2000(Cap turned backwards, hoodie, shorts) and Ruby was really his own design but the thing about them being expies is that they've generally had a hat of their own, and a red color theme to their outfit.
07:59:49 AM Oct 1st 2010
That's what I was thinking with a lot of the new Pokemon "expies." They share the same role, yes, but in many cases look nothing alike.

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