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openAbsence of NASCAR on The 90s Trope Page
So I just went through the page for The '90s, but the one thing it failed to mention in the sports paragraph was the explosion of popularity that NASCAR experienced during the decade. Here's a draft of what I'd like to add to it:
The sport of NASCAR also experienced a massive boom in popularity in the early-mid part of the decade, which really took off when a driver named Jeff Gordon started his first full season in the Cup Series in 1993. Gordon stood out from many of his fellow drivers by being from the West Coast (specifically from the Bay Area) instead of The Deep South, only 22 years of age when most drivers started their careers in their late 20s/early 30s, and clean cut and professional rather than aggressive and brash; this started the trend for future drivers that continues to this day. It's rise wasn't because of the decline of other sports, but from that of other motorsports; it profited off the tension and eventual split of IndyCar as well as the decline of sports car racing and the newfound absence of Formula One post-1991. This decade also marked the transition of NASCAR from a local happening (in The '60s and The '70s) to a little-known phenomenon (in The '80s) to a grand nationwide spectacle with Product Placement plastered everywhere and the ultra-aggressive marketing of drivers and the competition between them. The sport eventually worked its way up to be second in overall popularity and TV ratings, only losing out to the NFL, by the end of the decade.
I think this is too long, but am not sure on how to compress it.
Edited by JumboJ99openPrerelease?
Just added to Pokémon Legends: Arceus in response to the new trailer.
- Fridge Brilliance: Rowlet, Cyndaquil, and especially Oshawott are seemingly random choices for starters... until you realize that their final forms are based around Japanese culture, folklore, and mythology, with Decidueye representing archers, Samurott representing samurai, and Typhlosion representing Mujina, a badger Youkai.
- Fridge Horror: The game made the bold decision to introduce regional variants (Hisuian Growlithe and Hisuian Braviary) and regional evolutions (Stantler evolving into Wyrdeer, Basculin evolving into Basculegion); however seeing as this game takes place in the past and these new Pokémon have never been seen before, it is entirely possible they have gone extinct in the Sinnoh region between the era of the game and modern times. Considering the time period this game is analogous to, it tracks with real world history.
- Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Two of the series' most maligned single-stage Pokémon were redeemed in many fans' eyes thanks to their new Hisuian evolutions:
- Stantler was seen by many as an ugly waste of potential with nothing interesting about it apart from its hypnosis abilities. It didn't help that it was a mid-game annoyance in its home region. Its evolution Wyrdeer, with its part Psychic typing (which many fans have been requesting for years) and majestic design that elegantly weaves various wintery motifs together has made many fans want to raise a Stantler.
- Basculin was often cited by many detractors of Gen V as one of the generation's lackluster designs due to it essentially being just an angry bass with two variations that are nearly identical to each other. Not helping matters was how they absolutely swarmed the waters of Unova, and how they often appeared from ripple phenomena rather than rare, desirable Pokémon. Basculegion is seen by many as a redemption for the Hostile species, with its rare Water/Ghost typing, massive, menacing design, and interesting origin (being based off of migratory fish that didn't make the treacherous journey back home) that makes it (or at least the souls that occupy it) a bit of a Woobie Species.
Prior ATT said Fridge shouldn't allow prerelease as it might be addressed as opposed to fridge in the final product. But this doesn't look like something as likely to be brought up in the work, but that's still speculative.
Rescued also seems like it needs the final product as key aspects in if the fix stick with fans like gameplay viability won't be apparent until release.
Thoughts?
openThe Scrappy was added to Invincible again when six months had not passed yet
Over on the YMMV section for ''Invincible, a user by the name of Fresh 2000 had added a Zero Context Example for The Scrappy, and asked for other tropers to add why Amber was hated after episode 7.
They blatantly ignored the hidden text that I had added to the section back in June to not add The Scrappy until six months after the episode had aired.
I’ve already removed it, but can something be done to prevent it from happening again until the six months are up?
openMinimum wicks for new work page
New tropes require a minimum of 12 wicks. Is there a similar requirement for work pages?
openNo Title
I hope no one minds me bringing this up, but Little Kirby 110 added a claim about a live action Mickey Mouse series called Mickey Mouse- The Live Action Series here and here.
openEmasculated Cuckold Description Edit War
Tropers.Temerson 97 seems determined to change part of the description of Emasculated Cuckold from:
to
and also adding the section in bold:
They originally made the change on July 29th, but I edited it back the same day stating:
Today, he changed both sections back, with no edit reason.
I stand by original edits; the Trade Snark section doesn't work as well without the bit about controlling their wives. "A cuckold fails as a man because real men aren't cuckolds" is just redundant.
Likewise, the "man card" section is basically making the argument that the trope is correct. It crosses the line between describing the trope to advocating for the trope's logic.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenEdit war on YMMV.CookieRun Videogame
Tropers/Camwood is edit-warring over a Broken Aesop example on YMMV.Cookie Run. (I don't think the example counts, but this is a report for the edit war, not that)
openTime to Update a Character Image? Print Comic
With the release of the last issue of Rainbow Rowell's Runaways and The Reveal of Xavin's new look, I was wondering if we could finally update their portrait in the Character sheet? Currently, they have two portraits - one of their male Skrull form and one of their female human form, which is both incredibly clunky and also outdated, as they've been redesigned in the most recent series. The proposed new portrait is both more recent and would also streamline the article quite nicely, since it's just one picture instead of two. So can I go ahead and swap the old portraits out?
open Adaptational Curves Missing?
I don't know if anyone noticed it, but Adaptational Curves seems to have been completely blanked out. It looks like something went wrong with the commenting something out, but I can't tell. Can someone go take a look-see?
open Attending Your Own Funeral
I know the trope applies to being mistaken for dead, but does it also apply to those who really have passed, and it's a ghost story told from the point of view of the deceased?
openNo Real Life Examples please
If you think a trope shouldn't contain a real life examples folder, what forum do you take it to for discussion?
openSomeone changed a Trope Epitaph
On the rename thread for Kid Amid the Chaos (renamed from Crying Little Kid), the epitaph "Lost forever amid the chaos" was decided. However, someone changed it to "Rescued from the chaos", despite someone on the thread pointing out that that phrase doesn't really work when it's meant to be about death.
openSubpages for episodes
What If…? (2021) has two episodes so far, each one with a page in the recap namespace. Those episodes have their own YMMV and Trivia subpages. Is it correct, or should those items be moved to the YMMV and Trivia sections of the series itself?
openJames Bond question Film
A question for James Bond fans:
Is the title of Spectre supposed to be all-cap?
Does it stand as an acronym for something? (I believe it does, but I can't remember for sure.)
Also, there exists VideoGame.Spectre 1991; should the movie be disambiguated by year too?
Edited by StFanopenCreator Pages
I'm not sure where to ask about creator pages. I know creators aren't allowed to be troped, and it's their works that need to be troped, but I want to ask about the following issues on the Creator.Monty Oum page:
His "Monty Oum and his works provide examples of:" list has ten tropes that are supposed to reflect his work. However, five of them are actually trivia tropes about him rather than tropes about his work. He does not have a separate Trivia page, they're just mixed into the trope list on his main page. (The trivia items in question are Awesome, Dear Boy, Doing It for the Art, Promoted Fanboy, What Could Have Been and Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things.)
On the subject of sub-pages, he does have Awesome.Monty Oum, Heartwarming.Monty Oum and Funny.Monty Oum pages, all of which are about him, his family and his colleagues, rather than his works. Can they be sent to the cut list? (I'm assuming it's okay for Creator pages to have a Laconic.)
openCan I add my own webcomic?
I made a webcomic called fankid adventures, so, can I add it?
openNarm & Bathos Film
I've got a problem figuring out which one to use. I know what those tropes are and what they do, so it's not the problem with definition - is to figure out which one "fits". But first, a bit of explaination.
Spoor, a movie I've just finished, has a Hysterical Woman as the main character and she has few very, very grating rants throughout the film. It's not only annoying in-universe, but it's just hard to watch her increasingly inane ranting, too. The character, due to such behaviour being her norm, is considered to be the "typical crazy grandma" in-universe... only that in the finale it is revealed it was for the most part (she's still insane) a play and deliberate mislead, both in- and out-of-universe: in reality, her rants were done as a cover-up for the fact she's a murderous lunatic and misdirect the people around her. Lucid enough to perform elaborate murders, yet still very insane Eco-Terrorist, living in her own imaginary world.
So with that covered, I'm thinking if the scenes with her ranting fall under Narm or Bathos. Prior to the reveal, it's just extremely narmalicious (and even after it's still eye-rolling), but with the reveal, the ranting was in fact deliberate and intentional, so the initial reaction it generates from audience can't fall under the definition of narm... but does it qualify under Bathos, given it's not exactly comedic?
I guess I'm explaining it poorly, but it's one of those situations that's not exactly about fitting pegs to the right holes.
Back in December I removed this edit because it was natter, Conversation in the Main Page, and unnecessary second level bullet (also it's factually untrue that the Navy reactivated a battleship for the film).
Earlier this month, Gofastmike added it back with an edit reason stating it was "wrongly removed". I checked, and the troper was the one who initially added it.
I'd like to go ahead and remove it again but bringing it here so I don't edit war.
EDIT: I did send a natter notifier (natterfier?).
Edited by laserviking42