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openShould the Evil Albino and Heroic Albino redirects still need to exist?
As many do know, Evil Albino and Heroic Albino were cut per TRS in 2019, and they became redirects to Albinos Are Freaks, a trope about albino discrimination.
I wonder, though, is there a reason for Evil Albino and Heroic Albino—as redirects—to continue to exist as of today? Albinos Are Freaks has nothing to do with those two tropes other than albinism, and the fact they're still blue-linked as redirects seems to confuse more than a few tropers. Specifically, for the past few days I had to cut about 8-9 wicks from those redirects, owing to different tropers still thinking those tropes still existed under their original definitions.
open QueerMedia TRS announcement
Queer Media is in TRS to decide its scope with a crowner attached. If inclined, join the discussion here.
This is only an announcement; please don't reply to this query.
open HumiliationConga TRS announcement
Humiliation Conga is in TRS for a potential expansion with a crowner attached. If inclined, join the discussion here.
This is only an announcement, please don't reply to this query.
openTroper making dozens of plagiarized pages
It was recently brought up on the Roleplay Namespace Cleanup and Maintenance thread that scandalizer (edit history here) made dozens of unindexed character pages for the roleplay Sengoku Horizon, all of which are blank except for information about the various factions that are copy-pasted from the roleplay's website.
openOkay to write examples this way?
Have been doing some off and on editing and clean up on the Housepets! pages, and ran across something some of the tropers have been doing there. Specifically, the webcomic’s author is being referred to in some of the trope examples by first name. Example:
- Artifact Title: Rick seems to be introducing more and more characters (the Wolf Pack, Itsuki, the Galactic Nerds, the Forest creatures, the zoo creatures, Karishad) who wouldn’t exactly be considered house pets.
This might be fine to do, but it’s the only set of pages where I’ve run across this practice. In other non-TV Tropes situations, it may be considered more appropriate to use the author’s last name, the term “the author,” or to avoid mention altogether by saying “The comic seems to be introducing…”
Is there a standard accepted procedure for this sort of thing here?
Thanks!
Edited by BoltDMCopen Did anyone notice the nothing harder spirit in smash ultimate? Videogame
In the 3ds version of smash 4 the classic mode spirit can go up to nothing harder and the spirit at the end of ultimate's classic mural has it at the end!
openNon-YMMV and other questionable
Sneakers Shingo added these to YMMV.Mario Luigiand Gary:
- Guide Dang It!: The answer to why Luigi doesn’t like Stanley is only revealed in a missable scene if you happen to visit Stanley’s house between chapters 6 and 7.
- Hell Is That Noise: "Ooh, you goons!" Wiggler's Berserk Mode will ruin your day.
- Reverse Harem: Situations that have Gary team up with an all-male party can call this to mind, considering the genre.
I previously removed Guide Dang It! and Hell Is That Noise as not YMMV, moving Guide Dang It! to main (Hell Is That Noise is NoRealLife.Too Common and doesn't sound like an in-universe). They removed it from main and added them back to YMMV along with Reverse Harem which is also not YMMV. I PM'd them about this.
They also uncommented out a ZCE without adding anything.
They also created the page and subpages and are basically the only one editing it. Their edit history shows it's all they're working one (only their first two edits are for other works). This along with their undoing other edits makes me concerned.
Should I re-remove the non-YMMV? Wait until they have a chase to reply? Or what?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenWhere to start as a newbie
Hiya,
I just made my account because I had lots of media and things I wanted to contribute to the pages of, but now I’m not sure where to start. I don’t want to jump in and mess up a perfectly good page on accident or create a whole new one for something that may not be considered important. Where should I start?
openTotal Drama edits - reprise Western Animation
I'm terribly sorry for bothering around here instead of keeping this between users, but ansang is cosplaying as a wall and if nothing else I would like advice on how to proceed and/or insight in how it all stands.
Some time ago, ansang undid edits of mine and started a thread about it. Ansang left it with the words "I'm just going to talk about characters at this point and my part of the conversation will be done at this point," and "I already said all that I needed to say," and did not respond to my final remark about the labels (which I notified them of through a message. They never replied to that either). As mentioned, it seemed to me like they were cutting off further discussion and the general impression I got from this thread was that my edits at least weren't bad.
About a week ago, I proceeded to redo my edits on the labels for the Maskwak and the Kinosewak. I fixed the facebook issue, undid doubles, and added a set of labels I wasn't aware of before (one of which, The Nice Guy, was mentioned in Dave's entry). Ansang has undone it all again with the somewhat ballsy edit reason "Once again, these pages for Pahkitew Island don't really need mass deletions and the labels are fine they are. If you have an issue with it, at least message me about it."
The undo includes re-adding Amy's and Sammy's labels that they never had in the first place, as I already explained. I know this should be a discussion between us, but if ansang demonstrates to ignore everything I say I don't feel confident about it going well. This is what I'd like feedback on.
(I kinda want this to only be about the labels and/or user etiquette, but I might as well also note that ansang and I seem to have two different policies on how tropes work. For instance, I believe a dumb blonde should be the archetype with ongoing idiocy and the blondness having additional connotations of sex appeal or youth or the like (in which case only Lindsay and maybe Owen meet the criteria), while ansang's policy seems to be that any character that is blondish and gets the idiot ball once or twice is a dumb blonde. I think it's going to be difficult for us to see eye to eye without third party input.)
openEditing Limit
So, I recently had made a commitment to sprucing up a characters list through spellchecking, making the page as consistent and presentable as possible. However, upon doing so, I was contacted by a troper (not a moderator, mind you) that this is considered unnecessary editing, and asked me to outright leave the page alone lest the editing history get more clogged up. Question is, is spellchecking an actual case of unnecessary editing, and does it properly warrant staying away from a page?
openEdit page gets slow and freezes after a few minutes..
Does somebody else experiences this? When I open the Edit page on the PC, I can only write a few sentences before the letters start to take longer and longer to appear in the screen, to the point that I have to wait several minutes to tip one single letter. It seems it stops when I refresh the page, but it goes back after a few minutes. When I edit the site from mobile I don't experience this. Does someone know if that is a common problem or if it is something with my computer? Tv Tropes is the only place where I experience this.
openClarification on an added trope to the Character sheet for Ghostbusters
This addition seemed really out there for the series so I commented it out for the time being, I'll put it back if it actually is true but the entry in question is this and it's listed under the section for Ray:
- Amazon Chaser: One line in Larry Milne's Novelization of the first movie says he fantasizes about being raped by Dana every night.
openArticle for a non-fiction book Literature
The Mouse Betrayed is a non-fiction exposé of corruption in the Walt Disney company. I suppose it could be troped by the way it frames the facts, like one entry (Amusement Park of Doom) tries to do, but otherwise the entries are commenting on the author and their rigour (or lack of). My opinion is that the article is off-mission to the wiki and contains very little information of value, and it should be cutlisted. But I would like to hear from others first.
openNew Problem Troper
beaverchick2021 is a new Troper who already has several issues in their edits, all of which come from South Park character pages.
- On this and this page, they've deleted large portions without edit reasons.
- On this page (thus far the only one where they've added anything), there are several grammar issues: uncapitalized names, misspellings like "horrorific," "loonely tunes," "wont," etc.
- On the same page, it looks like they're flipping "negative" tropes—some referring to the character being abusive, though I have no context to see if that's true or not—into ones that speak more favorably of the character. This includes saying that "the fandom" was saddened by her death, and that her death was a case of Stuffed in the Fridge (misspelled as "Fridge death") for a male character's angst—which, again, I have no context for, but it seems strange that "this character is abusive" would become "everyone was sad that this character died, and it was for male angst."
- After several unsuccessful attempts to correct Death of a Child into a proper Wiki Word, Hvedekorn corrected the example, undid beaverchick's other entries (including the natter that the fandom was upset at a character's death) and sent a PM to beaverchick—presumably about their editing. beaverchick deleted the corrected example and re-added the deleted content.
I sent a PM about their grammar, but that's only covering one issue.
Edited by iamconstantineopenTrope aversion / subversion usage
So ever since The Fantastic Faux was conceived, even on the days of TLP, people have been trying to include The Incredibles as an example. The sponsor is adamant that they do not count because the show’s creator has denied it.
But people are still endlessly trying to include the example and will likely keep trying to do so. So I proposed a solution and was asked to check here if it was possible. What if the Incredibles were listed as an averted or subverted example, something like “despite the immense similarities, the creator stated they weren’t based off of them”. Any chance that could work?
openConcerns Over Potential Vendetta
According to a post in the The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations) forum thread, troper ~Soul Buy is misusing the Report Page functions to make reports on another troper, ~Time Knight for reasons unrelated to the P5 reporting.
I'm not sure what the cause of the issues here is. To the best of my knowledge, the only time these two have crossed paths in editing is on XMeetsY.Live Action TV Characters Kamen Rider Reiwa Phase 1, which prompted another ATT thread back in October. The thing is, outside of indentation changes the edit history of that page is nigh incomprehensible to me, as its entries are less "X Meets Y" and more "X Meets Y Meets Z Meets AA Meets BB Meets ZZ Top Meets Ampersand" and every single name is potholed to its respective series.
I've sent SoulBuy a PM advising them of this thread to explain what's going on and what, if anything, TimeKnight is doing to warrant reporting. I'd prefer such information be relayed here than purely through PMs since reporting problematic tropers is part of what Ask The Tropers is for in the first place.
~Soul Buy, I forgot to mention this in my PM, but I very strongly advise you to be as specific as possible about what issues are going on. Due to the aforementioned nigh incomprehensibility, the last couple times these pages have come up because of issues with other tropers, nobody ever really spelled out what the problem actually was.
Edit to Add: The current Content Violation Reports (thank you mightymewtron) - https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/content_violation_reports.php . Also, in light of information gained from that report (see below) I've sent ~Time Knight an edit reason notifier advising them of this thread and asking them to come here to explain their side.
There was a report about the troper mentioned in the report, Ken 10, back in April. However, this ran into the issue that the one doing the reporting, The Pat, never properly elaborated on what Ken was actually doing wrong, just "making a mess". Ultimately it looks like Ken did nothing wrong and the reporting troper had page ownership issues. I had wondered at the time if Time Knight might be Meat Puppeting on Pat's behalf, as one of the posts in that report has The Pat state "All those edits [Ken 10] made are unnecessary to the point that an X Meets Y entry starts to get bigger and bigger. And Time Knight had to clean the mess up." and alerted the mod who closed that thread directly, but I don't know what came of that so either Time Knight was told off privately or I was way off base.
There may be something to the claims in the report of targeting a specific troper's edits, going by the edit histories of XMeetsY.Live Action TV Characters Kamen Rider Heisei Phase 2 and XMeetsY.Live Action TV Characters Kamen Rider Reiwa Phase 1
On the edit history for X Meets Y / Live Action TV Characters Kamen Rider Reiwa Phase 1 on 10/31, Ken 10 adds the name Kengo Manaka and a pothole to Deadman Wonderland to one entry, and Ippei Mine to another. On 11/3, Time Knight deletes those entries.
In neither case does Time Knight explain the deletions via edit reasons. I confess between the last ATT threads and my own previous suspicions, I'm beginning to feel Soul Buy is right to report Time Knight, but went about it in the wrong way.
openSpoilers on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Live Action TV
I've been reading over the The Falcon and the Winter Soldier page, and there are a lot of unmarked spoilers in my opinion. Is there a clean-up thread I can take this issue to? Is there even an issue in the first place?
openEdit warring on NightmareFuel page Web Original
On Nov 26th 2021 at 7:52:12 AM, ~TVTroperZelda made this edit on NightmareFuel.Hololive:
- The 6th generation of Hololive JP seems to be taking some inspiration from Myth and Council, in that all the members are based around one theme...but instead of being a Ragtag Bunch of Misfits or an Omniscient Council of Vagueness, Holo X is a secret society whose leader, La+ Darknesss, desires to Take Over the World. And if it weren’t for her being briefly captured and having her vast powers and intellect locked behind a system of Power Limiters, she very easily could.
On Nov 27th 2021 at 12:55:48 AM, I changed the last sentence to:
- [...], she potentially could.
with the Edit Reason being:
On Nov 28th 2021 at 3:37:42 AM, TV Troper Zelda changed the last sentence back to:
- [...], she very easily could.
without giving any reason for the revert/bringing it up for discussion.
I believe this is clear case of edit-warring, especially when the other troper justified their edit when they didn't.
Also, I call the last sentence out for Speculative Troping, since it's never actually shown in the work itself that "she very easily could Take Over the World", never mind that it blatantly ignores other factors in the same universe beside herself, and thus is not an accurate example at all.
Edited by Asoktenchearesolved Ice Age titles
The articles for the Ice Age sequels have numbers in their titles. However, the official titles of the films don't have numbers. Should the pages be moved?
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky - Second Chapter and The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky - The 3rd have their own pages, but The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky also tropes them. Is the split project still ongoing or the pages should be merged back? (e: merged and redirected)
They are also indexed at VideoGame.Kiseki Series, but that page is a content-less redirect, so I have no idea why it shows up a the bottom. (e: that part's resolved)
Edited by Amonimus