Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

It's a trope. Translations are very much part of the work.

I agree. Trivia is typically facts that you need access to source outside of the work to know. Too Long; Didn't Dub is apparent from the work itself, at least if you know the original language.

It's not a trope in the sense of narrative device, of course, but it's what can be called an adaptation trope. And depending on how you see it, it may fit the common definition of "trivia" but that's not how we use the term on this wiki.

The Living Dead should be Trivia, right? Not only is it not about storytelling but unlike the similar Corpsing it's entirely unwanted.

No. It's something that shows up within the work, so it need not be Trivia.

If The Living Dead is something totally incidental, this not means that this is People Sit On Chairs? I mean, this is more similar in spirit to Trivia than regular tropes, despite being something that objectively is in the work.

It is similar in spirit to what is usually called "trivia", but that's not what the word "Trivia" means on this wiki. When a trope is classified as Trivia on the Wiki, it means that it's something where you need information external to the show to notice or understand it.

edited 18th Apr '16 9:20:16 AM by GnomeTitan

The things listed as trivia in this wiki are listed because they are interesting, not because they are devices or conventions. This is the case with The Living Dead.

(Oh, never mind)

edited 18th Apr '16 11:31:33 AM by GnomeTitan

Is anyone moving the stuff we declare as trivia over to the right namespace? Surely there should be some dedicated people to do this?

No, far too impractical to make it an organized effort. Hence, the "red sign" on the edit page.

Should Character Blog be trivia?

Does a mod need to call the options on the crowner?

Calling:

Upvoted for trivia:

• Pre-Order Bonus (14 votes, 3.7:1)
• Stunt Double (11 votes, 10:1)
• Dear Negative Reader (29 votes, 2.2:1)
• Only Barely Renewed (10 votes, unanimous)

Items downvoted for trivia:

• Credits Gag (13 votes, unanimous)
• Expy (30 votes, 2.3:1)
• Ooh, Me Accent's Slipping (24 votes, 3.8:1)
• Corpsing (19 votes, 3.75:1)
• I Want My Jetpack (15 votes, 6.5:1)
• Moral Guardians (10 votes, 2.3:1)
• Prima Donna Director (16 votes, 2.2:1)

edited 18th May '16 10:41:21 AM by Morgenthaler

Calling for trivia:

• Bonus Material (14 votes, 3.6:1)
• Missing Trailer Scene (11 votes, 4.5:1)

Now that the last items with more than 10 votes have been called, can we swap this huge crowner for the new one?

Will switch in a moment, thanks.

And switched.

edited 5th Jun '16 4:59:20 AM by Berrenta

Since I believe they haven't been mentioned before, I also want to nominate the following for trivia:

• California Doubling: simply a shooting location tidbit.
• Doubling for London: same as above.
• Children Voicing Children: voice acting trivia.
• Voices in One Room: voice acting trivia.
• Looping Lines: voice acting trivia.
• Breakup Breakout: there are a few In-Universe examples (which really should get their own section), but it's mostly trivia about the relative success of the creators' careers.

I disagree about California Doubling and similar tropes. They are certainly not tropes as storytelling devices, but they are production tropes that are usually noticeable just from watching the work and can affect the way the story is told (for example, having to use stock footage of New York landmarks because the movie was shot in Burbank, CA).

We have a similar case in The Living Dead (where what's supposed to be a dead body is actually played by a noticeably live actor) which IIRC has been voted not to be trivia. I think it's quite analogous - in one case, we have a loiving person standing in for a dead body, in the other, one city standing in for another.

edited 6th Jun '16 6:34:11 AM by GnomeTitan

I see that Kensington Gore is on the crowner. While I agree that it's not a trope, I'm not sure if it's Trivia either. It seems more like a Useful Note to me.

I'd also say that Voices in One Room isn't "just" trivia - it's something that the audience can hear and that affects the audience's impression of the work.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but our definition of "trivia" is not quite the usual definition of "interesting but irrelevant tidbits of information". Most of our Trivia items seem to be things that aren't apparent from the work itself, but where you need extraneous information to realize that it applies. Or perhaps that's in the usual definition anyway, the keyword being "irrelevant". Voices in One Room is not irrelevant to the audience experience.

I'm not really sure where you get the definition from that trivia needs to be completely irrelevant to the work to qualify—at least, it's not indicated anywhere in the description of Trivia. That's not the same thing as being external to the work. Dawson Casting may make the audience think "Wait, why do these teenagers look like adults?" A famous actor slumming it because they're in it for the money may have an effect on how big their role in the story is. By the same logic, are they somehow not trivia?

Sorry, I may have been a bit unclear. I didn't mean that trivia needs to be irrelevant. "External" is a much better way of putting it.

I'm aware that the line between Trivia (in our sense of "information external to the work") and non-trivia is a hard one to draw.

In the case of California Doubling and similar tropes I was arguing from what I perceive to be precedent - there are other "production tropes" which have been judged non-trivia because they are apparent from the work itself, hence they are non-external. I'm not saying you are wrong here - sometimes, I feel that everything that is not a deliberate storytelling device isn't a trope. But that's obviously not the consensus.

My impression of the current usage on the wiki is that things like e.g. casting choices that are conscious creative decisions that noticeably influence the audience impression of the work itself (i.e. they are not external) are not Trivia but what is called "production tropes". I'm not saying that is the ideal state. For once, there's a judgement call - if California Doubling is not noticeable ("everybody think this show was shot in NYC, but it was actually shot in a Burbank studio") it's Trivia, but if it's noticeable it's not - but I think you are trivializing these tropes (or whatever they are) by saying that they are "simply tidbits".

On the other hand, Dawson Casting, which can be much more noticeable than California Doubling, is Trivia, so we're obviously not consistent. I wouldn't be too unhappy if all (or most) production tropes were labeled as Trivia either, as long as it was consistent.

edited 7th Jun '16 4:16:11 AM by GnomeTitan

Should Two-Hit Wonder and Chart Displacement be trivia?

Early Draft Tie-In was one of the YKTTW's I created and I didn't know where to put it so I asked in the forums. Another troper listed it under tropes but it seems in hindsight it should certainly be listed under trivia. It's similar to other trivia tropes I've seen like Missing Trailer Scene.

It is a trivia trope, right?

Yep. Tie in material is in no way an intrinsic part of a work. It has to be trivia.