First, addressing things after a night spent relaxing at home with my wife...
@3190 Whoa, you opened a can of worms there. Anyhow, Largo did an excellent job breaking all of that down in @3192. I agree with all of Largo's recommendations.
@3194 Wait... what? Ben10
getting a page? I don't even think anything from the show deserves an entry (way too much Offscreen Villainy
to qualify even Vilgax). There are no entries for it under Monster.Western Animation
, and I think the entry on the show's YMMV page should be cut completely.
@3199 Well, I thought about it, and a good chunk of my posts these days end up saying it anyways. Besides, nobody but me understood my old signature, which was in part because my avatar is an old injoke that nobody around would get anyhow.
Anyhow, since you vouched for Heavy Rain
, I'm fine with keeping.
@3200 You make a very convincing argument. Admittedly, it helps that the thread's Gundam
expert agrees with your opinion in @3214, but credit is due for an excellent argument for removal. You have my vote to cut.
@3204 I could conceivably see a situation in which someone who said Then Let Me Be Evil
would qualify, but as @3205 states, it'd be under a pretty narrow set of qualifiers. I think Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds
or Well-Intentioned Extremist
would be much more likely to happen.
@3206 The problem is that said drama CD is an alternate continuity. We cover that in the FAQ as well - if your argument applies to an alternate continuity, they can go on... but only
for the continuity that it applies. What happens in that drama CD does not apply to the main game, no matter how similar a character might act to any other continuity.
@3209 Wait... what? First off, Meat Boy's girlfriend is Bandage Girl, not Garbage Girl. Second, while Dr. Fetus Would Hit a Girl
, that falls under Jerkass
, not Complete Monster
. Finally, they never establish just how the evil fetus was created - that could just as easily be Meat Boy's kid in there. Dun dun DUNNNNN!
So no, I wouldn't count Dr. Fetus at all. Not heinous enough.
@3218 Mostly agree, but with a few comments:
Yes, we did decide that Split Personality
cases would only count if literally every personality counted. You cannot merely have one count (relatedly, this means I have to cut Sensui of YuYu Hakusho
from Monster.Anime And Manga
, for the same reason). It's all or nothing (I disagree with this, but I was outvoted).
You also should explain just what an "Unsub" is on the page for those of us who don't watch the show.
On the entry for The Reaper, the supposition about sexual stuff is completely unnecessary and should be cut when the entry is consolidated. The line about an In-Universe
acknowledgement should also be cut; that's You Monster!
I'm inclined to cut Danny Murphy - as nasty as it is to kill a child that way, he doesn't strike me as heinous as some of the other examples.
I'm also inclined to cut the grandmother - while that is horribly abusive, it doesn't sound as bad as the serial rapists that you recommend cutting, and it doesn't sound like it was her intention to create a serial killer.
Beyond that, agree with your recommendations.
Anyhow, more thoughts on the Video Games sandbox:
I discussed AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
back in @1359. I stand by my vote to cut.
Hanne Lichthammer of Clive Barker's Jericho
should be cut - it's based totally on biography detailed in the game and the entry even admits that the character doesn't do any of that on-screen.
For Rugal of King of Fighters
' just how much of that is backstory, and how much is done on-screen? I'm inclined to cut unless much of that is shown.
I would also cut Zant of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
, because Majora sets the bar for the series by trying to kill all of Termina for fun. Zant's MO of subjugation and transformation is much less evil. Also, it's all Ganon's fault, again, anyhow
. Majora stands apart as the one villain who is doing evil for his own sake and not under Ganon's thumb in any way.
For similar reasons, cut Odie Oldbright from Live A Live
. Those actions are not nearly so bad as the terrible deaths of the villains of the Flow chapter, described below (who don't qualify since they're a group). Plus, as the game reveals, the various incarnations of Odio come down to a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds
, so I'd vote to cut the entirety of the example.
How much of the Lost Odyssey
example is on-screen? Looks like it might be Offscreen Villainy
I agree about Ridley from Metroid
- cut from the Video Game page, move to Anime and Manga.
, Yami should be cut, since all it does is blot out the sun by existing. It's not even clearly sentient. Ninetails needs some expansion, as killing Rao happened offscreen but they gloss over the effects of the attempt on Himiko (which could potentially sink the Dragon Palace and kill all the inhabitants).
That's what I have for now.
EDIT: @3226 Being pushy isn't going to get anyone anywhere. You can't just make people respond to you - they have just as much right to talk about the example that they're focused on and ignore your request as you have to ignore their request and focus on yours.
edited 14th Sep '12 10:55:47 AM by 32_Footsteps