Duplicate Trope: Hello Nurse

Duplicate of Chick Magnet.

• Hello Nurse is a female character who's considered very sexy and attracts a lot of attention in-universe.
• Chick Magnet (redirect: Dude Magnet) is a male or female character who's considered very sexy and attracts a lot of attention in-universe.

Both have a ton of wicks.

As an aside, Hello Nurse has a rather non-intuitive name that sounds more like Hospital Hottie, and is also a catchphrase. Dude Magnet would be a better name for that trope, but it's already a redirect to Chick Magnet.

My suggestions:

• Plan A. Cut Hello Nurse, move all examples into Chick Magnet / Dude Magnet.
• Plan A¹. Cut Hello Nurse, move all examples into Chick Magnet / Dude Magnet. Rename Chick Magnet into something gender-neutral, like Attraction Magnet.
• Plan B. Turn Chick Magnet into an Always Male Spear Counterpart of Hello Nurse. Cut all female examples from Chick Magnet and move them to Hello Nurse.
• Plan B¹. Turn Chick Magnet into an Always Male Spear Counterpart of Hello Nurse. Cut all female examples from Chick Magnet and move them to Hello Nurse. Rename Hello Nurse into Dude Magnet.

Thoughts?

UPD: Added Plan A¹.

edited 10th Aug '15 4:38:15 AM by Rjinswand

I've always thought that this trope was the Distaff Counterpart of Chick Magnet, and that the former was an Always Male trope.

I'm fine with either option, though I slightly lean towards B.

edited 9th Aug '15 1:57:53 PM by Adept

My vote is Plan A. Most Hello Nurse examples are either ZCE or mistaking it for something to do with nurses (like Hospital Hottie). It's one of the old "named after a meme" tropes that stuck around.

Still, at 1083 wicks, we probably need a wick check.

Thank you for the input! I guess we'll wait for more feedback, and then make a crowner.

Added a "Plan A¹" into my list of suggestions.

As for the wick check, I'll do it, just give me some time.

Don't forget Eating the Eye Candy, which is still another trope about characters being perceived as attractive.

Thanks, didn't know about that trope!

It's a bit different (it's about one specific reaction, while HN and CM are about a character getting a lot of such reactions), but it should definitely be mentioned in the tropes' descriptions. It also looks like it needs some love, as 95% examples there are inexplicably female (while I'm sure male character show such reactions at least as often), but that's beside the point of this thread.

I think there might be a difference between Chick Magnet and Hello Nurse in how they're perceived in terms of forming actual connections. Chick Magnet seems to be more about attracting people interested in a relationship (or at least a fling), while Hello Nurse seems to be more about just the reaction that the person is attractive, with the intention to follow up on that not being considered.

edited 12th Aug '15 9:46:37 AM by AnotherDuck

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I think these are all distinctions without a difference. We're talking about three different tropes which all boil down to "character is considered attractive".

A Chick Magnet isn't necessarily physically attractive.

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^ Yeah, Chick Magnet is the supertrope to the Kavorka Man who is explicitly unattractive. Chick Magnet doesn't care how you attract chicks, as long as you attract them.

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Should the line, "He's not The Casanova or Kavorka Man," be changed, then?

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Ah, whoops, I always forget that this is one of those tropes that sounds like a Supertrope, but is actually a more specific subtrope.

The Chick Magnet is specifically for men attract swarms of women, no matter what they do, say, or look like without trying. This is the on that's defined by an utter lack of effort. It's not an appearance thing at all. Looks are immaterial to it.

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Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. Hello Nurse is all about looks, so it's a distinct trope.

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Wait. If the character attracts a lot of attention, wouldn't that mean he's attractive?

If a Chick Magnet is intentionally depicted as (conventionally) non-handsome, it's Kavorka Man, isn't it? And if he isn't (e.g. the Batman example on the Chick Magnet page), it's not different from Hello Nurse.

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Then again, maybe we're dealing with a set of super/sub/sister tropes?

• Character attracts a lot of attention (supertrope)
  • Character attracts a lot of attention because of appearance
  • Character attracts a lot of attention because of money, power or fame
  • Character attracts a lot of attention despite having no obvious attractive qualities (being plain, boring, etc), played for laughs
  • Character attracts a lot of attention despite being in-universe considered ugly, repulsive, etc. (Kavorka Man)

edited 12th Aug '15 6:16:09 PM by Rjinswand

No, no, no. A Kavorka Man has to pursue and catch the opposite sex. It's like The Casanova, but ugly. A Chick Magnet attracts them with no effort, or in fact even when he's actively trying not to.

Using your layout with my additions bolded:

• Character attracts a lot of attention (supertrope)
  • Character attracts a lot of attention because of appearance
  • Character attracts a lot of attention because of money, power or fame
  • Character attracts a lot of attention despite having no obvious attractive qualities (being plain, boring, etc), played for laughs
  • Character attracts attention with no effort on his part, even if he doesn't want to. (Chick Magnet.)

• Character aggressively peruses the opposite sex:
  • Character aggressively peruses and attracts attention because of their charm, looks, and skill in bed. (The Casanova)
  • Character aggressively peruses and attracts attention because of their charisma despite being in-universe considered ugly, repulsive, etc. (Kavorka Man)
  • Character aggressively peruses the opposite sex and fails. (Casanova Wannabe)

edited 12th Aug '15 6:45:26 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Ah, okay, I see now. I tweaked your trope family tree a bit as well:

• Character gets a lot of attention (supertrope)
  • CGaLoA without trying (Chick Magnet? The Pornomancer?)
    • CGaLoA without trying, because of appearance (Hello Nurse?)
    • CGaLoA without trying, because of money, power or fame
    • CGaLoA without trying, despite having no obvious attractive qualities (being plain, boring, etc), played for laughs
  • CGaLoA while actively pursuing it
    • CGaLoA while actively pursuing it, because of their charisma or skill in bed, while being attractive by in-universe standards (The Casanova, The Charmer, Chivalrous Pervert, Sex God)
    • CGaLoA while actively pursuing it, because of their charisma or skill in bed, despite being unattractive by in-universe standards (Kavorka Man)

"Character aggressively pursues for attention and fails" (Casanova Wannabe, Handsome Lech) is not a subtrope of CGaLoA at all. It's a sister trope to "CGaLoA while actively pursuing it", though, with a different supertrope:

• Character aggressively pursues for attention (supertrope)
  • and fails (Casanova Wannabe, Handsome Lech)
  • and succeeds ("CGaLoA while actively pursuing it")

So, "CGaLoA while actively pursuing it" is a subtrope of both "CGaLoA" and "Character pursues for attention".

edited 13th Aug '15 5:22:58 AM by Rjinswand

The difference between Chick Magnet and The Pornomancer is sex. Chick Magnet attracts women. The Pornomancer attracts sex.

edited 13th Aug '15 8:23:23 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Isn't there a slight distinction between HN and CM - Chick Magnet is a guy that gets a lot of girls, and this makes everyone assume that he's attractive. Mostly shown by walking into a room and girls flocking to him like he was Bieber (or vice versa, about a woman who is fawned over by men). Hello Nurse is about a man's reaction to a woman, not the woman herself. Different.

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HN is more a trope about the reactions to a sexy character. CM is about potential relations. Are different.

@17: So The Pornomancer is Chick Magnet But More Specific? I mean, how can he attract sex without attracting women first? And I'd argue that there's no character whose attractiveness leads to sex in 100% cases. E.g. Wolverine is well-known to attract women (it's even explained as an "animal magnetism" power), and he got laid a lot, but not all his flings necessarily ended in sex. As for the Chick Magnet, I'm sure that usually he has sex with at least some of the girls he attracts. So, the only thing that I see can be covered by Chick Magnet but not covered by The Pornomancer would be a character who attracts a lot of attention but never has sex.

@18 & 19: Nope! If you read the description, it's a character trope. It's a trope about the kind of character that attracts a lot of attention (presumably, because of her appearance).

E.g. if girls squeal and faint when they see Bieber (or let's say, a fictional version of Bieber), which trope is it? It's attraction; some people just gonna drool and fantasize, others will try to chat the person up in hopes of a fling/relationship. So, men who react to Hello Nurse would love to have at least a one-night stand with her, and women who flock to Bruce Wayne (in Chick Magnet's page image) would like the same. Where's the difference?

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As an aside, anyone knows who's the character in the Hello Nurse page image?

edited 13th Aug '15 9:41:36 AM by Rjinswand

Then there needs to be some example clearance. Just ditch the Dude Magnet redirect for an Always Male version, done.

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There is no always Always Male version. Not sure what you're talking about.

Hello Nurse would really be better off if we renamed it Catcalling since that tends to be the name for this sort of behaviour outside of the wiki. Or even Catcall Target. Though that's a bit narrower.

The page image for Hello Nurse is terrible by the way. It doesn't show anyone having the reaction the trope is talking about.

This is what HelloNurse is talking about.◊

Or this.◊

Or this.◊

It's that over the top, cartoony reaction to seeing a beautiful woman.

edited 13th Aug '15 9:52:39 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

I would support Catcalling Target or Catcalling Magnet since it's pretty clear and understandable. However, I'm not sure all those cartoonish reactions could be called "catcalling".

UPD: We have tropes for some cartoonish reactions to someone sexy: Wingding Eyes, Heart Beats out of Chest, Nosebleed, Wolf Whistle and Perverted Drooling. I guess we can create a neat index for them all.

edited 13th Aug '15 10:14:15 AM by Rjinswand

I think what we need is the supertrope reaction which normally includes multiple of those elements rather than any single one. And listing the same example on a dozen pages for each element is overkill.

What we need is a better name for the over the top, theatrical reaction to an object of lust. And I think refocusing it to the reaction, rather than the target of the reaction would get us better examples.

Other things we won't have individual tropes for are uncontrollable drooling, kisses all the way up the arms, random exclamations (such as 'shwing!' and 'Hello, Nurse!' or even 'Hubba Hubba.') Randomly appearing with flowers (generally roses) to present to the target. There is one for roses appearing behind you though.

It's a very stock character reaction though. We just need a better page for the overarching reaction than just having pages for the individual elements.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Maybe we can keep the existing tropes as subtropes, while the rest of exaggerated reactions can be covered by the supertrope itself. All in all, I support this trope idea.

What to do with Hello Nurse as character though?

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Just found another trope related to our trope tree, Accidental Pornomancer. It's getting out of hand. I think we may have stumbled on a nest of superfluous tropes and misuse. Here's what I've gathered so far:

X attracts a lot of Y without trying:

• Chick Magnet: X attracts a lot of Y without trying.
• Clueless Chick-Magnet: X attracts a lot of Y without trying and even realizing they like him. Example list contains a lot of misuse as Chick Magnet.
• The Pornomancer: X attracts a lot of Y without trying, ending in sex. As I said, hard to differentiate from Chick Magnet. Examples range from Chick Magnet to The Casanova, probably due to said confusion.
• Accidental Pornomancer: X attracts a lot of Y without trying, ending in sex. But, um, he doesn't really want it, er, except, y'know, when he does. Pretty much an almost duplicate. Examples range from Chick Magnet to The Casanova to men raped by women.
• Hello Nurse: X attracts a lot of Y without trying, because X has an attractive appearance. (This is the current definition, not the retools suggested in this thread)

X attracts a lot of Y while trying to:

• The Casanova: X attracts a lot of Y while trying to. Other tropes' definitions suggest that The Casanova doesn't care for their conquests, or romances several Y at the same time. It's not explicitly mentioned in The Casanova's trope definition, though.
• Chivalrous Pervert: Undecided, because of the dual meaning of the word "pervert". Either it's "X has a perverted lust for Y but is a good person" (which is dangerously close to Lovable Sex Maniac), or "X attracts a lot of Y while trying to, but doesn't take advantage of them". Even more confusing since the actual historical Casanova pretty much fit the second definition.
• The Charmer: X attracts a lot of Y while trying to, but doesn't take advantage of them, and also charms other people. Methinks the romantic attraction part should be cut from it, since it's already covered by other tropes. Just mention those tropes in the description.
• Really Gets Around: X attracts a lot of Y while trying to, possibly ending in sex. Supposed to be female, but has a lot of male examples. Bonus points for not differentiating between romancing lots of Y at once (page image, which is My Girl Is Not a Slut and Your Cheating Heart), and romancing lots of Y but one at a time.
• Good Bad Girl: X attracts a lot of Y while trying to. And is also female. And is good. But More Specific.

X doesn't attract a lot of Y, despite trying to:

• Casanova Wannabe: X doesn't attract a lot of Y, despite trying to.
• Handsome Lech: X doesn't attract a lot of Y, despite trying to, and is attractive.
• Extraverted Nerd: X doesn't attract a lot of Y, despite trying to, because X is a nerd (socially awkward). So pretty much the same trope But More Specific. Some examples treat it as just "a nerd who isn't asocial".

Honorable mentions:

• KidAnova: A kid or teenager who fulfills a lot of the aforementioned tropes (the non-sex-related ones, of course), from Chick Magnet to The Casanova to Casanova Wannabe. Methinks it's just But More Specific.
• Sex God: "X has the ability to give great sexual pleasure to their partner(s)". For some reason, someone sneaked "X has the ability to score sex" into the description, which shouldn't be related (a Sex God could in theory have just one partner and give unlimited sexual pleasure to them exclusively).
• Harem Seeker which is pretty much Polyamory.

edited 14th Aug '15 4:37:27 AM by Rjinswand