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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Jul 1st 2015 at 5:51:31 PM

Many of the examples on this page don't have any investment in oil. The scale of misuse is so enormous that sending it back through YKTTW might be worthwhile.

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#2: Jul 1st 2015 at 6:01:08 PM

Please do a wick check or this thread shall be locked.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Jul 1st 2015 at 8:01:33 PM

Wick check:

I think I see the problem here: a romance-novel trope of considerably older origin and rather different character has been conflated with Arab Oil Sheikh in the description and example list, though not so much in the wicks.

edited 1st Jul '15 8:04:24 PM by Prfnoff

freesefan Since: Jun, 2012
#4: Jul 2nd 2015 at 6:27:56 AM

Clean out the bad examples.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#5: Jul 2nd 2015 at 6:37:57 AM

I think the general stereotype is more important than being explicitly about oil, most importantly that it's an exotic foreigner with money to spend.

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Rjinswand Since: Apr, 2015
#6: Jul 2nd 2015 at 1:41:25 PM

I'd suggest broadening the trope a bit: the Arab Oil Sheikh should always be filthy rich, but not necessarily from oil.

a romance-novel trope of considerably older origin and rather different character
Could you please elaborate? What is that other trope about?

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Jul 4th 2015 at 6:14:33 AM

[up]See the second-to-last paragraph of the description. The problem is that this really isn't the same trope at all, aside from having the title of "Sheikh."

[up][up]"Exotic foreigner with money to spend" is a bit broader than what this should be. "Exotic" and "foreigner" are themselves a bit wishy-washy as words go.

edited 4th Jul '15 6:16:28 AM by Prfnoff

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#8: Jul 4th 2015 at 6:23:17 AM

Sure, if you take that out of context and assume it's a literal and complete description of the trope.

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freesefan Since: Jun, 2012
#9: Jul 5th 2015 at 9:02:11 AM

Take the word "Oil" out of the title. Tweak definition to make clear that it's rich Arab sheiks of all stripes. Call it good.

Rjinswand Since: Apr, 2015
#10: Jul 6th 2015 at 7:52:21 AM

[up][up][up]Ah, I see, thanks.

I think that "romantic Sheikh" type may actually be a part of a broader romance novel character trope; I don't know whether we already have it or not.

As for this trope, I support freesefan's suggestion of just renaming it to Arab Sheikh or maybe something more descriptive like Rich Arab Sheikh.

edited 6th Jul '15 7:52:41 AM by Rjinswand

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jul 7th 2015 at 10:20:39 AM

[up][up]The problem is that's a bit much like Arab Sheikhs Sit On Chairs, much like trying to make a trope out of "rich European princes of any stripe" would be.

A lot of the old romance examples aren't even "from Arabia," geographically speaking. (They might be from "Araby," but that's really a Hollywood Atlas name. trope I might write that setting trope up someday; distinguishing it from Qurac is part of what's holding me back.)

edited 7th Jul '15 10:27:37 AM by Prfnoff

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#12: Jul 7th 2015 at 11:53:49 AM

Well, they should come from that general area, whether it's a real country or a fictional equivalent, but the exact nationality doesn't matter.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#13: Jul 7th 2015 at 1:53:49 PM

I feel like even if they're not explicitly rich from oil, this is usually implicitly the case especially if they're New Money investors.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#14: Jul 10th 2015 at 10:37:50 AM

[up] If it's set in present day, real world, it's oil. Things that are historical or fantasy it can be jewels, spices, silks, anything that seems a bit exotic.

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Rjinswand Since: Apr, 2015
#15: Jul 10th 2015 at 1:08:30 PM

@Prfnoff: I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure if I agree. "Filthy rich Arab guys" seem to be a common type in media. They aren't always revealed to be oil magnates, but they're easily recognizable nevertheless. The trope's example list also mentions a couple non-Arab characters disguising themselves as rich Arab men, so it looks like the stereotype is pretty well-known if it's used like that.

As for "Araby", I think that's a good trope idea. You could try YKTT Wing it, so that other tropers could offer their advice on its exact definition. By the way, the current description of Qurac lists what you call "Araby" as one of the distinct "types" of Qurac, so it could just be split from there.

edited 10th Jul '15 1:08:56 PM by Rjinswand

Josef5678 Psshhh... from Virginia Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Mu
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#16: Nov 6th 2015 at 3:13:27 PM

If we were to rename this, perhaps we could go with something like "Billionaire Arab" since most examples are not explicitly about oil?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#17: Nov 6th 2015 at 3:52:39 PM

Do we need a rename to go with that definition, though? Seems to attract enough examples that don't follow the name literally anyway. (Not broken; don't fix.)

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#18: Nov 7th 2015 at 9:37:29 AM

I don't know if we need a rename, but the definition very much needs the tweak.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#19: Dec 31st 2015 at 12:00:26 AM

It looks like we have consensus to tweak the definition (although this could probably be finished in the "trope description and improvement thread" instead of TRS).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#20: Jan 1st 2016 at 2:23:46 PM

Locking as part of New Years Purge

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