The Grand Unified Appearance Trope Clean-up:

For the record, when I think of an example of this trope I think mostly of Septimus Heap, where all wizards have green eyes. Something that is referenced a number of times in-story and makes them readily identifiable.

While we debate further action. I will start dewicking Brown Eyes; 38/50 for ZCE is more than enough.

Not so fast we might need some of those to point at the new trope.

My thoughts were of Ghost In The Shell and Gundam Seed. In the former only those with fully android bodies had non-natural hair and eye colors colors, they also did not blink ever. The latter only those 'modified' in some way had non-natrual hair and eyes till the sequel when they broke that rule.

Seems like these are good examples to start from. ~Chaotic Novelist: Are you leaving the examples where some meaning is argued for?

Yes, I am. Anything that is well thought-out is not going to get the axe.

One question. Does something along the lines of "Brown Eyes: for his/her genericness" count as argued-for-meaning?

Yes, but very weak. I'd probably suggest it to be copied to a sandbox page, since I believe a lot of these will be cut anyway.

Weak argued-for-context added to a sandbox; got it. Anything else?

This is probably a dumb question but if brown eyes symbolizing stable/reliable or human is a trope, would works that have a character/s that fit the trope but there are other characters that don't fit the trope but have brown eyes disqualify the trope in anyway?

That would most likely not fit the trope unless the trope is explicitly referenced in the narrative, such as by Lampshade Hanging.

In fact, if we are going to have a Earthly Brown Eyes trope, limiting it to examples where the trope is explicitly referenced in-story seems like a good move.

Characters that don't fit should not at all be relevant to characters that do fit. If a story has a character that fits Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold she would qualify even if the story also has a blonde without a heart of gold.

But in terms of this trope, other characters havin brown eyes while they are not "normal" or "human or whatever kinda negates things...it wouldn't like the author specifically chose that trait to symbolize normality/genericness.

Indeed. And that makes it a likely sign of misuse if one is selectively citing characters. Hence the "explicit reference" thing.

i feel like Thematic Color Appearance or something along those lines could go a long way to fixing this.

Like the point isn't necessarily that 'brown eyes = earthy qualities'

its that 'brown = earthy qualities, and in this design it happens to be in the eyes'

For any example that could just be the context for a greater trope. i.e.:

• Thematic Color Appearance: This character wears red to show he's passionate, but has strong brown eyes that let's people know he's reliable and ultimately a regular guy.

or depending on the character

• Thematic Color Appearance: This character wears brown to show he's reliable, but has unnatural fiery red eyes that show his passion and alien origin.

And until something just becomes so common or idiomatic it deserves a split (like Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold or Green-Eyed Monster) everything goes under the supertrope.

edited 24th Dec '16 10:06:26 PM by acrobox

Color-Coded for Your Convenience?

Color-Coded for Your Convenience is just about assigning colors to mean anything in any context. Maybe something like Color Themed For Your Convenice to make the connection that its linked to greater cultural ideas of what colors symbolize generally.

or maybe cut down on wordiness for something like Color Themes or Color Symbolism.

If there is a 'greater cultural idea' to a color then that is a trope. Brown Is Generic is probably the trope there, both hair and eyes. Brown Is Earthy is already a trope elsewhere.

Like Red Is Heroic is a huge cultural thing in Japan and other places... which people just label any hero in red anywhere as that trope even though it's not a thing in that culture thus shouldn't be that trope. People are shoehorning Mass Effect's Commander Shepard and the Anti-Hero Wrex into that trope...

Blue Is Heroic also has no cultural significance aside from it being the opposite of Red Is Evil / Red Is Demonic thus shouldn't really be a trope by itself.

edited 26th Dec '16 10:43:17 PM by Memers

both red and blue are heroic also come from (despite the japanese trope name) the cross cultural prevalence of Red Oni, Blue Oni, and either can be hero/rival, or hero/lancer, or hero/villain.

Also could get behind Brown Is Generic which is somewhat related to Real Is Brown. But I think a greater Color Theme page is needed to actualy suss out what is common enough that it deserves a split, and what just feels like shoehorning/chairs/too specific etc.

edited 26th Dec '16 10:58:55 PM by acrobox

Here is the thing though, a vast majority on the page are not that at all and the page image isn't even that.

The pages are literally 'any heroes who happen to wear red or blue' without any meaning, hell Shepard only has a red stripe on the default outfit and apparently qualifies...

Brown being generic or normal is related to The Generic Guy, Ridiculously Average Guy, Self Insert Protagonist. Also White Male Lead / White Anglo-Saxon Protestant in the west and Unwanted Harem Protagonist in Japan. Being the self insert for as many of the demographic as possible via the most common physical traits and such.

edited 27th Dec '16 1:02:10 AM by Memers

Getting a bit sidetracked, folks. I think Colour Theme is a metaphor too far for the "eartly brown eyes" trope. My suggestion would be to start up a trope for the latter which asks for explicit references to the trope rather than mere examples. If enough can be found, launch the trope. Otherwise, no. And Colour Theme and Meaningful Appearance if they don't already exist should be made either way.

(Probably should merge Windows To The Soul into Meaningful Appearance or rename it to be more distinct from Windows of the Soul)

edited 27th Dec '16 3:06:11 AM by SeptimusHeap

Well, since Meaningful Appearance still needs to be developed, I am considering making a description. I'm not good at writing descriptions but I'll try.

As for Earthly Brown Eyes, I don't recall ever seeing this explicitly reference in any of the works I know of. Not saying that no work hasn't done it. I looked at the examples on Brown Eyes and most if not all of them were not referenced on those work. They don't seem to be feasible so probably have to farm for more examples or flesh the existing ones out if Earthly Brown Eyes is deemed tropable.

Earthy brown eyes is covered by Elemental Eye Colors. Elemental Hair Colors for brown hair exists but I forget the current name..

edited 28th Dec '16 4:43:02 PM by Memers

I know that. I was talking about the normal/human brown eyes trope. Earthly can easilly with earthy so probably need another if this is to be troped..

Something for Colour Theme:

Re Meaningful Appearance: I am sure you won't disappoint, ~MacronNotes.

edited 29th Dec '16 4:46:59 AM by SeptimusHeap

Creepy Blue Eyes should be deleted. Half of the examples are really Icy Blue Eyes, and the other half are Occult Blue Eyes.

Seconded. I skimmed the description for all three and the distinction is small.