Real Life section maintenance

Calling:

• Men Are Better Than Women: Added 27th May '15 at 08:01:27 AM, 14:0
• Women Are Wiser: Added 27th May '15 at 07:47:46 AM, 15:0

Calling Anorgasmia: Added 29th May '15 at 02:24:45 AM, 13:0

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[edit] And on another note, with the revision and folderization of the NRLEP page, the bulleted list of reasons for something to be NRLEP could use a revision, I think, to explain the folder titles. I'm about to zonk out for the night, but if no one else steps up I'll get to a proposed rework later.

edited 31st May '15 11:34:10 PM by Nohbody

Ok, I've worked a bit on revising the bulleted list of reasons for No Real Life Examples, Please!, about 2/3rds down the description, making it more applicable to the actual folder groupings:

The primary (but not only) reasons that a trope may listed here:

• Morality Tropes: These tropes assign moral values to certain characters, character types, or situations. The wiki does not have an opinion on the morality of real people, who are almost always far more complex than any fictional depiction.
• Sex, Sexuality, and Rape Tropes: The wiki, simply put, isn't interested in discussing the sexuality or sexual behavior of real people. These topics are often sensitive and/or controversial, and prone to gossip or innuendo.
• Narrative, Characterization, and Plot Tropes: These tropes require an author of a story, for which evidence in real life is disputed, to make a conscious storytelling decision.
• Tropes Impossible in Real Life: These require actions or conditions that are, given the best available evidence, simply not possible in real life, or rely on a situation that doesn't exist outside of fiction.
• Too Common in Real Life: These tropes are so commonly observed in reality that listing many or all of the occurrences of it would make a trope page incredibly unweildy, and marginalize fictional examples that are the focus of this wiki.
• Tropes Attracting Flamebait, Complaining, and Natter: Controversial subjects can and often do lead to arguments, irrelevant commentary only tangentially related to the subject, and complaining, none of which are desired by the wiki. As such tropes about those subjects are subject to prohibitions against real life examples.
• Gossip and Stereotypes: This wiki is not interested in speculation about real life people, nor does it wish to reinforce stereotypes, which get plenty of support in other venues. Those interested in such may wish to read The National Enquirer or other such tabloid newspapers.

I looked at the rest of the description to see if it could be trimmed down some, but other than maybe removing the religious example paragraph I couldn't really come up with any practical reduction of text without missing something important about NRLEP status.

edited 1st Jun '15 7:06:12 AM by Nohbody

Okay, Nohbody took care of it.

edited 1st Jun '15 7:13:42 AM by VeryMelon

Apparently I fumbled that last post. I wasn't saying "this is the change", I was looking for input on the revised reasons list.

Love the revised reasons.

Yar, take my silence as approval.

Is Unfortunate Implications supposed to have a RL section? Because it doesn't look like it's indexed under NRLEP, but it also lacks a RL folder—instead it has one of those super duper clever "Other" folders.

....I don't even want to think how many guidelines and reasons for NRLEP'ing other tropes that falls under.

Unfortunate Implications should definitiely be NRLEP. It might be easier to list the reasons for listing it that it doesn't meet. That would be "Impossible in Real Life", I think.

I'd go with flamebait, complaining, and natter magnet as the main reason. It's one of the few tropes with a [citation needed] requirement, exactly for that reason, after a TRS thread that almost got all examples cut outright.

Should all stereotype tropes be NRLEP? I've come across a few, like Where da White Women At?, that have Real Life folders.

In general, no, they shouldn't have real life examples, but we should go through them each on its own. And quite often I find that some examples placed in the Real Life folder would actually fit in other places, such as Stand-Up Comedy.

As for Where da White Women At?, it's a wonder something like the Tiger Woods example, from the way it's written, don't have a comment suggesting some Ambiguously Brown actress with a dozen nationalities in her blood. That said, most of the examples under there seem to be about reactions along with the trope, rather than the example itself calling people stereotypical, so I'm not sure if it needs removal. Unless we just file it under gossip and axe it to be done with it.

edited 2nd Jun '15 7:23:10 PM by AnotherDuck

Made the swap for NRLEP reasons.

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@Unfortunate Implications: As mentioned by others, there's any number of reasons that UI shouldn't have RL examples, regardless of what folder they're put in.

The subtropes that aren't currently NRLEP (or in one case In Universe Examples Only):

• All Gays Are Pedophiles: Pretty clear-cut case of gossip potential, I think, even though there's currently no RL examples (though the "Languages" folder fails the "no generic examples" test, independent of whether it should qualify as an RL folder or not).
• Monochrome Casting: No RL examples either, but I'm skeptical about it being allowed any either, as RL doesn't have a casting agency (though RL organizations may have one). I'm not that solid on this being NRLEP fodder, however. Likewise for the related Chromosome Casting, which also isn't NRLEP but has no RL examples.
• White Man's Burden: Again, no RL examples but not NRLEP. And again, not really all that solid about whether it should be NRLEP.

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@Where da White Women At?: Given that the related tropes mentioned at the top of the description (Mighty Whitey and Mellow Yellow, Matzo Fever, and Shiksa Goddess) are themselves already NRLEP, I don't see why WDWWA should retain RL examples.

And on the general subject, reading further down WDWWA's description, there's also Black Gal on White Guy Drama and Black Is Bigger in Bed, neither of which are NRLEP.

Black Gal on White Guy Drama has one example that misses the "Drama" part of the trope name (the Kravitz entry), and the last RL entry doesn't seem to really sell the "drama" part, either. The rest of them aren't themselves a problem as written, but I have even less attachment to keeping RL examples for this particular trope than I do in general (the attachment levels for which are pretty freaking low ).

Black Is Bigger in Bed has no RL examples, but as a subject of either gossip or stereotyping I have no qualms about making it NRLEP.

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And on the subject of voting for NRLEP candidates, given all of the above, perhaps we should start a new crowner, even though the current one only has 11 entries at present. Even if some of the above are decided to not be worth voting on (I haven't added any entries at this point), the current crowner is still pretty close to the conventional close-out point, and all of those entries have already been decided.

edited 2nd Jun '15 10:22:52 PM by Nohbody

to new crowner. Also, I feel that all of the tropes are good candidates for NRLEP. Let's hang the new crowner and get voting.

I'm too lazy to write anything more elaborate than "I'm too lazy to write anything more alaborate than 'I'm too lazy to write anything more elaborate than "I'm too lazy to write anything more elaborate than 'I concur.'"'"

while browsing the site, I came across Padding; it has one of those really clever Others folder, most of which are either general examples or disguised real life examples. Also, it's impossible to pad real life, so I vote for it to be added to the crowner.

Let's see, a magazine parody, an album, a commercial, writing assignments, web reviews, speeches, roleplaying, program installing, lawyer texts, Na No Wri Mo, and TV scheduling. Most of them pertain to some kind of media. Most of them are generic, and will be axed in a moment.

Edit: Axed. The last example not axed is kind of rambling on a bit about how it generically used to be, but does contain some pointers to something specific. Might need to be rewritten.

Considering what was there, I don't think there's a problem with having real examples allowed, since when an example becomes "real" is a little shady. If it's something you can present in the form of words, pictures, or sound, or something that takes time to do, then the trope can probably apply.

edited 3rd Jun '15 1:42:06 PM by AnotherDuck

• What something is a parody of is irrelevant; the MAD example is a Magazine, or whatever section we put magazines in.
• The Yes album is Music.
• The commercial is Advertising. (And it's also Recent.)
• The last example is a little rambly but basically legit; it violates Keep It An Example but is actually good info, and if it were a specific example, it'd be more or less Live-Action TV. Maybe it could be put in the description?

The folder can go and, while I was initially on the fence, I now agree that the trope can be NRLEP on the basis that it's impossible in real life.

edited 3rd Jun '15 1:46:24 PM by SolipSchism

Made a new crowner (33) with the stuff mentioned in my previous post, will holler to swap in a moment.

Didn't put padding on there, not that sure on it needing to be NRLEP.

"not that sure on it needing to be NRLEP"

Isn't that the point of a vote?

The current crowner is fairly short. Are we sure we need to change it now?

I think it's because we're about to add a whole bunch.

But I don't have an opinion.

The convention is wrapping up a crowner at around a dozen entries. The current one has 11 entries, all of which have been concluded. Given there's 8 entries on the new one I hollered for, I thought that 11 concluded entries was as good a place as any to wrap up crowner 32.

edited 4th Jun '15 3:41:51 PM by Nohbody