Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
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- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
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- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
Yeah. There are ways to use the trope for RL examples, and ways to abuse the trope for it. Claiming people represents one of the sins is shoehorning.
Also removed the shoehorning.
Now I'm tempted to rename the folder to "Food", although the ice cream example would fit well under advertising.
edited 1st May '15 2:28:10 PM by AnotherDuck
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Agree with this—voted it down.
May Contain Evil: Impossible in real life.
Like reflections in the glass!
Also may be a Morality Trope
edited 2nd May '15 12:41:39 AM by MorningStar1337
No, the other one.
And it may contain it, which means it doesn't necessarily. It can be about harmful side effects. No morality required. No evil required.
That said, most of the RL section is speculations, which either could fit into an Urban Legends folder, or removed.
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Well, despite the name, the description makes it clear that it's really just describing harmful effects like being super addictive, unhealthy, etc. It's no more evil, than, say, a Deadpan Snarker, who may be evil but that's tangential to the trope.
I haven't looked at the examples, so they may need a cleanup, but I don't think the trope needs to be NRLEP—it's less "Commercial product is secretly evil" and more "Product is misrepresented and turns out to be dangerous."
And it's certainly not impossible.
edited 2nd May '15 7:21:53 AM by SolipSchism
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I can think of a few product examples where negative effects were noted but ignored or downplayed, and misrepresented or kept from the customers.
Keep and clean seems to be the best option for that.
edited 2nd May '15 9:01:27 PM by Candi
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Zzzzzzzzzz
I agree that it's not an Evil trope or a Morality trope. It's about bad side effects that were either known and covered up/denied/ignored or aren't side effects at all —they're known and intended effects.
In either case, most of the current RL examples would fit in "Urban Legends". I see no reason to make it NRLEP.
edited 3rd May '15 9:58:31 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Calling for No Real Life Examples:
- Rooting for the Empire: added 27th Apr '15 at 07:00:26 AM
- Karma Houdini Warranty: added 30th Apr '15 at 04:27:36 PM
- Cheeky Mouth: added 28th Apr '15 at 07:06:09 AM
- Welcome to Evil Mart: added 30th Apr '15 at 07:42:54 AM
- Trapped in Villainy: added 30th Apr '15 at 07:42:23 AM
- Dream Weaver: added 30th Apr '15 at 04:28:44 PM
- Dastardly Whiplash: added 1st May '15 at 09:49:48 AM
Calling for Keep Real Life Examples:
- Laxative Prank: added 30th Apr '15 at 07:44:07 AM
- Seven Deadly Sins: added 1st May '15 at 01:11:20 PM
- Forever War: added 28th Apr '15 at 07:05:31 AM
Gay Bravado: Sexuality trope.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Very Melon, please add some context to your nominations. Yes, it's a trope about sexuality. How is it problematic?
From the pinned post at the top of the thread: "Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem."
The purpose of this thread isn't to wipe out every Real Life section that could possibly ever maybe be considered to fall into one of a number of very broad trope categories. It's to clear out the ones that are problems.
edited 4th May '15 6:00:40 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
No, the other one.
There's a bit that can be cleaned out, what with the usual problem of generics, but it's not too bad on its own. I also find it doesn't read as gossipy as some tropes do, which is a problem.
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The only reason I brought it up is because it looked like a stereotype of homosexuality, which I was under the impression was frowned upon on the wiki. If it's not actually bad, then more power to it but what's the harm in putting it on the crowner so others can decided for themselves?
No, the other one.
It's usually best to discuss it first before voting, so people have a better idea about how to vote.
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Because "voting without actually discussing the candidates or learning anything about them" is how you end up with shitty elected leaders.
Er, NRLEP tropes. Slip of the tongue.
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Totally understandable. 
Calling for Keep Real Life Examples:
- May Contain Evil: added 2nd May '15 at 12:31:22 AM
- Gay Bravado: added 4th May '15 at 05:07:00 PM
Since the current crowner has 12 entries, I'll holler for a replacement crowner and take my leave.
Crowner changed as requested. 12 entries doesn't look like a lot to me though.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
It's not a "hard and fast" rule, but the general idea is that when things get up past that level, it starts gets more obnoxious to scroll through called items to get to the stuff that's still pending a final decision.
edited 7th May '15 9:11:13 AM by Nohbody
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You went AWOL for a while this time last year too, Nohbody. Do have the misfortune to work in taxes?
"In distress", my ass.
Nope. Pure coincidence. Or is that happenstance?
Well, certainly not enemy action, in any case.
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I'd like to nominate Bad Boss, The Bad Guys Are Cops, Bad Guy Bar, and Bad Guys Play Pool to the NRLEP list. All of them are villain tropes. Bad Boss in particular shoehorns examples of Mean Boss as well.
A more complicated case is Un-person. While I feel that removing the entire Real Life section is not necessary, it could stand to do with some scrubbing. There are currently 7 different "Real Life" folders, one of which is a General folder that violates the rule on only listing specific examples. Other entries seem more like behind-the-scenes trivia ("so-and-so initial producer was removed from the creative team after a fallout with his colleagues"), shoehorning (For instance, the historic practice of placing someone outside the law is not the same thing as rejecting someone having existed in the first place), more general examples ("Anyone who's banned from a site for bad behavior"), or are troping gossip/controversy (like the Channel Awesome entries). Relatedly, is sports even a medium for troping purposes?
edited 14th May '15 7:53:10 AM by Morgenthaler
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Lost in Space
Sports is indeed a medium for troping. Those "general" RL examples in Unperson can be cut on principle without the need to go through this thread. I concur with adding those to the crowner, although I'd have to carefully consider the merits of each in terms of NRLEP.
edited 14th May '15 7:54:31 AM by Fighteer
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"In distress", my ass.
I don't see a problem with any of those being added to the crowner, though in the case of Bad Boss I'd more argue that it falls under the "flamebait, complaining, and natter" (especially the latter ) category than qualifying for NRLEP as a villain trope.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Seven Deadly Sins is not an "evil trope". It's not calling anyone evil. And using the names of the sins as product names is very much referencing them in Real Life.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.