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Misused: Meganekko get usage counts

 1 lebrel, Tue, 20th Mar '12 11:09:22 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
Meganekko is supposed to be the (primarily Japanese) stereotype of girls (and occasionally boys) in glasses as cute (as opposed to sexy) and Moe / vulnerable, in distinction to the other glasses stereotypes (nerd, Sexy Secretary, Four Eyes, Zero Soul, etc). However, it has vast amounts of misuse; it's become "girls with glasses in anime" and is rapidly become "girls with glasses in anything", or even "characters with glasses in anything". Over in the glasses tropes cleanup thread it was suggested to change the name to Cute Glasses Girl, but I'm not sure that would help much. How can we clean this mess up?

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edited 20th Mar '12 11:09:52 AM by lebrel

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 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 20th Mar '12 11:12:53 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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[up]Can you show the misuse? You know that we want it (the proof) for OPs now.

 3 lebrel, Tue, 20th Mar '12 11:54:20 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
I knew the wick check would be a PITA, because almost all of the "examples" are "trope name: character name", so you have to actually know the character to know if they're correct. Out of the first 100 wicks, 3 were indexes/phantoms, 71 were either Zero-Context Examples or potholes with no context, but of the ones I know or where I could get an idea:

Correct:

Misuse:

Not sure:

edited 20th Mar '12 11:58:31 AM by lebrel

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 4 Spark 9, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:11:16 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Interesting. I thought this trope was about cats (because I seem to recall that Nekko is Japanese for cat).
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 5 lu 127, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:14:11 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
[up] That's Meganeko. One k.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
 6 Spark 9, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:22:42 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up][up] Wow, talk about an awful snowclone.

Anyway, per Eddie's rule tropes with Japanese names should only have examples from Japanese works, so we should be removing quite a number of examples from both Mega Nekko and Mega Neko.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 7 lu 127, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:24:42 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Some examples, anime or not, are blatant misuse. Also, that picture is bad, because a lot of those are not Meganekkos. Still, no reason to remove anything japanese or Animesque.

edited 20th Mar '12 12:24:55 PM by lu127

迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
 8 lebrel, Tue, 20th Mar '12 12:25:54 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] Is that "no reason to remove anything that's not japanese or Animesque"?
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It's Megane=glasses ko=feminine suffix

 10 Dannebrog Spy, Tue, 20th Mar '12 2:06:05 PM from Copenhagen, Denmark
Instead of screaming misuse it will better just to accept that many people expect this to be "girls with glasses". In most work only a few characters wear glasses so it is usually obvious that the creator had an idea with it. Sometimes it may even be a plotpoint. The audience will likewise expect the characters to be either clever, cute, clumsy, creative or all of it just by looking at them. Whether they actual are or not is less important as long the glasses stay on.

Also, we already have severel other tropes for characters who don't have a standard look. Glasses is one of the choises a creator have to make a character stand out from the crowd. Just like hair desks or unsual hair colors.
English is an international language, but it doesn't mean that everyone speak it on a daily basis.
Hair desks....? *fanfic writing8

 12 lebrel, Tue, 20th Mar '12 2:08:58 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up][up] It's not supposed to be "any girl with glasses". It's also not supposed to be an appearance trope. We could make it that but I suspect that would be an unpopular move.
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 13 Spark 9, Tue, 20th Mar '12 2:10:06 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Yes. "Girls wear glasses" falls under People Sit on Chairs.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 14 Dannebrog Spy, Tue, 20th Mar '12 3:53:15 PM from Copenhagen, Denmark
No, it doesn't. Sure, it is common but it is not everywhere. Just take your typical Five-Man Band in anime and manga and there will more often than not be excact one character with glasses, neither more or less. But the creators don't just put the glasses on random characters but make sure they also have the expected personality. Which in turn mean that the glasses become a signal about said personality.

anime9 3282: sorry, I mean Hair Decorations.

edited 20th Mar '12 3:53:36 PM by DannebrogSpy

English is an international language, but it doesn't mean that everyone speak it on a daily basis.
 15 lu 127, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:01:38 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Girl with glasses has no more narrative significance than keychain with keys. Unless there is some connection between the glasses and the personality, it's not this trope. Just because people can't be bothered to get a definition into their heads and feel like shoehorning none examples, that does not mean we have to fit the misuse.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
 16 shimaspawn, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:04:02 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I do think that characters wearing glasses seems to always be significant in some way, but I think they're better off split into their own tropes and indexed on the Glasses Tropes page rather than having a true supertrope. It encourages people to get the meaning faster.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 17 Spark 9, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:07:46 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Good point.

(edit) I note that the Spear Counterpart, Megane is not a trope, but simply a definition of an Anime Fan Speak term. I would suggest that Meganekko is also simply a fan speak term, and that any examples belong on the appropriate trope pages instead.

edited 20th Mar '12 4:10:53 PM by Spark9

Special trousers. Very heroic.
 18 lebrel, Tue, 20th Mar '12 4:16:14 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] Well, the point is that meganekko, unlike megane, is an established character type. It's just that it has more qualifications than just "wears glasses". And megane is not the spear counterpart of meganekko, for precisely that reason.

edited 20th Mar '12 4:16:50 PM by lebrel

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 19 lebrel, Wed, 21st Mar '12 8:52:05 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
Thinking about it last night, there are different types of meganekko that are at least partially separable; the shy, self-effacing type, related to Shrinking Violet, vs the studious, responsible student-council type, distantly related to Adorably Precocious Child (in that the intended response is "aww, cute", not "she's admirably competent"). Perhaps we could consider splitting into more stringently-defined types.
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someone
Split into subtropes might work.

edited 21st Mar '12 10:45:54 PM by ThatHuman

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 21 lebrel, Tue, 27th Mar '12 12:02:26 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
Anyone else with an opinion? Where are all the people from the glasses thread?
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 22 ccoa, Fri, 27th Apr '12 6:41:40 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Clocking due to lack of activity.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 23 Spark 9, Fri, 27th Apr '12 4:13:31 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
On the one hand, this really needs a page action crowner. On the other hand, the "we like Japanese words" crowd is big enough lately that we might as well not bother unless Eddie happens to notice this thread.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 24 lebrel, Fri, 27th Apr '12 4:17:33 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
OK, what are the options that could go on a crowner?
  • Make fanspeak, chop examples
  • Make subtropes & split accordingly
  • Anything else?
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 25 Septimus Heap, Sat, 28th Apr '12 2:54:20 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Crowner

Page Action: Meganekko
28th Apr '12 2:53:18 AM
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