Trope Transplant: Megaton Punch

Well, time to bring this back. Last time there was a thread for this trope there were problems with the crowner (among other things) and it had to be closed. It’s been about a month since then so I’m opening a new thread and this time I hope we can make it without it having to be closed, OK?

Now, the problem with this trope is that it’s being misused for “Superpowerful Punch” instead of “comedic powerful punch done by girls”. Since I can’t access the misuse check I did in the previous thread I made a new one, but oh surprise, the results are the same.

Misuse check

Correct (Comedic punch done by girls) (16 wiks)

• Visual Novel: Akane-iro Ni Somaru Saka
• Bedmate Reveal
• Breaking the Fourth Wall
• Creepy Physical
• Handsome Lech
• He Is My Master
• How To Become A Love Interest
• Kill Sat
• Kodomo No Jikan
• Mundangerous
• Naruto x2 (Funny, Sannin)
• Pervert Revenge Mode
• Ranma ½
• Rules Of Anime
• "Shut Up" Kiss

Superpowerful Punch (50 wiks)

• Abnormal Ammo
• PlayingWith.Actual Pacifist
• Roleplay.After The Academy
• Ah My Goddess/Characters
• Armed With Wings
• Asterix
• Badass Adorable
• Big Bang Beat
• Black Panther
• Blind Without 'Em
• City Of Heroes
• Cognizant Limbs
• Dangerous Forbidden Technique
• Death or Glory Attack
• Digimon World
• Disney Villain Death
• Dissidia Final Fantasy x5 (Main page, Characters: Heroes, Characters: Villains, Characters: Duodecim, Awesome)
• Evil Zone
• Gravity Master
• High-Speed Missile Dodge
• Hot Wings
• Immortal Iron Fist
• Kung Fu Hustle
• Made of Iron
• Mercy Kill
• Naruto x 5 (Awesome, Narm, Hokages, Team 7, Sannin)
• One Piece x 7 (Awesome, Major Villains, Organizations and crews, Four Emperors, Seven Warlords, Marines, Film Strong World)
• Power Fist
• Punched Across the Room
• Puzzle Boss
• Rapid-Fire Fisticuffs
• Real Men Wear Pink
• Required Secondary Powers
• Shadow Complex
• Shadow Hearts
• SNK Boss

I got just to the S links, but I think the point is clear. Last time it was about 75% misuse, now I count more or less the same. So I propose a Trope Transplant ASAP to deal with this.

edited 19th Jan '12 11:22:23 AM by DrMcNinja

Trope Transplant seems the most sensible course of action based on the wik check and the name of the trope.

Just like last time, I agree with you on this 100%.

Let's see, Megaton Punch was the one previously named Naru Punch or something, wasn't it?

A transplant does sound like the best idea.

Just to ask, is there a need for a Super Powerful Punch trope, or can it be merged with something else, like Punched Across the Room?

Punched Across the Room is about punches throwing the enemy back for no reason even when it doesn't work that way in Real Life (if I got the trope correctly). The problems I can see with merging both tropes are: A) Punched Across the Room can work with normal punches, with superpunches and with the comedic superpunch done by girls (Twinkle in the Sky more often than not), and B) not every Superpunch will cause Punched Across the Room. For example, Snow Villiers' Sovereign Fist or Goku's Dragon Fist (the attack that blew up Hildegarn).

Are we going to need a crowner for the transplant, or can we move directly to decide a new name for the comedic variant and create a description for the superpunches?

BTW, is punching someone in the air until he/she is A Twinkle in the Sky exclusive to girls? If not, that would be yet another trope.

I don't get what you're talking about. This is what we're discussing: there are two tropes under the same name.

• Comedic punch done by girls that is also a Armor Piercing Slap. They often hit perverts or an Accidental Pervert, though hitting someone making a stupid remark is normal too. It may or may not cause Twinkle in the Sky. It's always Played for Laughs.
• Superpunch attack. Serious example, done by anyone, never comedic because it's purpose is harming an enemy. Twinkle in the Sky almost never plays here (at least that I know), though Punched Across the Room will happen more often than not.

The description is about the first one. Up to 75% of the examples are about the second, so we're going to do a Trope Transplant.

So far there are four votes for transplant and none against, and it's been a little over a day. I think we can wait another day or so to see if there are any objections. If none, we transplant, else we put up a crowner.

I also advocate a transplant. No idea what we should call Trope 1, though.

It's been a few days, no one opposes a transplant, Names Crowner for the comedic use of Megaton Punch.

I can't really think of any good names.

Orbital Punch is a little more specific, but carries no comedic overtones.

Pervert Punch is ambiguous about who's doing the punching.

Anti Pervert Punch? Or Anti Pervert Orbital Punch? Sounds a little tacky to me, but doesn't sound like it would be misunderstood.

I added Mad Girl Superpunch Gag, feel free to add more.

Then I like mine better. ;)

If anyone wants the others I suggested on the voting list, feel free to add them. I think they still had some troubles about misunderstanding, though, which is what we're trying to avoid this time around.

But it's not an antipervert thing only. Take for example One Piece. Nami hits Luffy whenever she's mad with him, and hurts him even with his Rubberman powers. And Luffy is NOT a pervert at all.

This is a sister trope to Armor Piercing Slap, right? So why not something like Armor Piercing Superpunch? I'd suggest Armor Piercing Punch, but I think that would be misused for "Armor Piercing Slap, but a punch instead of a slap".

This trope is in fact Armor Piercing Slap in a comedic way, if I'm reading the tropes correctly. The amount of injury varies too, Armor Piercing Slap hurts but not beyond reason, this one makes use of Amusing Injuries.

Besides, the Twinkle in the Sky part is NOT required, nor the pervert or Accidental Pervert part. They happen sometimes, but not always. Again, take One Piece or Naruto. Or many others where the guy hit is thrown to the ground. That's why Anti Pervert Orbital Punch is a very bad name as it restricts the trope to very narrow examples. Mad Girl Superpunch Gag explains it better in my opinion.

I don't think this is just "Armor Piercing Slap Up To Eleven and/or Played for Laughs". Armor Piercing Slap is about someone letting themselves get slapped around — they could defend themselves, but they don't. With Megaton Punch, though, they could be trying their damnedest to avoid it and they'll still get their ass kicked — even if they should, theoretically, be able to defend themselves.

edited 25th Jan '12 4:33:31 PM by NativeJovian

"Or many others where the guy hit is thrown to the ground."

The description start with, "When she hits him, he goes flying. Not just across the room or even across the yard — across town." That's not to the ground. That's up, up, and away. If it's to the ground, I don't think it's different enough from Armor Piercing Slap to count as its own trope.

I'm not familiar with One Piece, and that example isn't even on the page as it is.

Yeah, and here too. Are you saying that Luffy, Ranma, Naruto, etcétera can't avoid the punch if they want? Because I assure you they can. They never try to avoid it. People are using it for 2 meanings: serious superpunch, and comedic punch girls do when they are mad. The second meaning is the one most similar to the current description, but even if the definition is not exactly the same the principle is (girls hit harder for comedy purposes).

That's the description, but how people use it is explained in post 7, and once again in this very post. And as I'm saying the One Piece example (and wiks) as it is right now is part of the superpunch attack misuse, not part of the comedic use. In fact some of them are not even punches, Kuma and Luffy don't send the enemy flying with punches. And they're also guys, not girls.

Well, if those examples aren't supposed to be an example of the comedic use, which was the original definition of this trope and now the one we're transplanting from Megaton Punch, then I understand. Otherwise I'm in a whole different ballpark than pretty much everything in this thread, and would need directions back.

Well I was largely against a rename of the comedic trope but but I guess not...

Nobody should get "Megaton Punch" though as a main name that will just cause more misuse.

Comedic Megaton Punch would be the way to go I think. Tsundere Punch Reaction is another option.

edited 26th Jan '12 7:15:36 AM by Raso

I'm glad that I was able to explain it. I think that the definition as it stands right now is too narrow, because "girls hit harder for comedic purposes" is broader than just sending them far away. We might need to rework it.

About a definition for the Superpunch Attack, any ideas?

Why shouldn't we let Megaton Punch be a trope for "superpowerful punch attack"? Up to 75% of the use is for that definition, not for "comedic punch".

edited 26th Jan '12 7:14:56 AM by DrMcNinja

Because it is a preexisting term for the trope that is on the page people are still going to use it as that is the term for it in and outside of works.

You will just be flinging the misuse in the other direction.

If its used elsewhere for stuff then if anything it should be an index name, a redirect or disabig for the inbounds links. (disambiguation page sounds good actually.)

edited 26th Jan '12 7:27:05 AM by Raso

Preexisting term for that? I don't believe it. Megaton Punch sounds like "superpowerful punch that blows the enemy to pieces", not "comedic punch done by girls" (that is how the trope describes it). Otherwise why so much misuse?

EDIT: Besides, I've been looking out there and the name for that was "Naru Punch", named after some girl of some manga. Not Megaton Punch.

edited 26th Jan '12 7:30:42 AM by DrMcNinja

The only thing Megaton Punch seems to be a pre-existing term for is a Kirby minigame.

Naru Punch is the pre-existing term for the anime trope. But it's not exactly clear.